Recommend me non-nice jazz

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You know the score: nothing *nice*, no million-mile an hour be-bop, no Glen Miller, nothing to wear a polo-neck to.

*instead* I want things like:

In A Silent Way
Let My Children Hear Music
Cinematic Orchestra

I want arctic jazz, stratospheric jazz, dusky jazz, sepulchral jazz - things like Mingus' 'Freedom'...

― lee ward (lee ward), Sunday, 27 July 2003 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

sir henry threadgill
'where's your cup' is hardcore shit
with accordion

― Haikunym, Sunday, 27 July 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

threadgill seconded!

brotzmann - machine gun
herbie hancock - sextant
ornette coleman - body meta

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 27 July 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Julius Hemphill - download Dogon A.D. post-haste, or look for Fat Man and the Hard Blues.

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Sunday, 27 July 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch. FUCKIN ESSENTIAL, bass clarinets, 18 year old drummers, free but still swinnnngin

― brains (cerybut), Sunday, 27 July 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

anything with bass clarinets is awesome. Ken Vandermark will knock you on yr ass with his bass clarinet. Go get the Vandermark 5's Target or Flag, and then Spaceways Inc's newest one, Version Soul.
That is, if by non-nice you mean bad, as in bad-ass.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 28 July 2003 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

lee, you NEED Stan Kenton's City of Glass: Stan Kenton Plays Bob Graettinger.
maybe pick up Codona 3.
anything by Hal Russell's NRG Ensemble, but especially The Finnish/Swiss Tour, if you can track it down..
Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra, for sure.
Pharoah Sanders' Tauhid, for sure.
maybe the Eight Bold Souls' Sideshow.
Joseph Jarman's Song For.

alla those things are very much solidly composed yet ecstatic documents of various non-nice jazz traditions.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 28 July 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Second Hal Russell

John Zorn - Spy Vs Spy
See also Zorn's Masada records
Tim Berne's Bloodcount

― dleone (dleone), Monday, 28 July 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

second Mr. Diamond's rec of Stan Kenton's City of Glass: Stan Kenton Plays Bob Graettinger.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 28 July 2003 02:33 (twenty-two years ago)

here ya go- angular funk in odd time signatures, aka 'james brown' jazz'...

steve coleman and five elements
-"black science"
-"the tao of mad phat"

M-Base Collective
-"anatomy of a groove"

― naturalaw-dp, Monday, 28 July 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitches Brew is extremely obvious but still very much what you're looking for.

Also:
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
Primal Scream - If They Move Kill 'Em (MBV Arkestra)
About half of the Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me soundtrack by Angelo Badalementi
John Cale and Terry Riley - Church of Anthrax

― M Carty (mj_c), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I see--(non nice) jazz vs. non (nice jazz)

― nestmanso (nestmanso), Monday, 28 July 2003 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Second vote for Sextant, it ranges from ambient calm of "Rain Dance" to the rage of "Hornets", which is one of the most aggressive jazz tunes I've ever heard. The other two Herbie Hancock albums with the Mwandishi sextet ("Mwandishi" and "Crossings") are also recommended, the high point of the man's career?

Also:

Jamaaladeen Tacuma: Rennaissance Man
Pharoah Sanders: Karma
Eric Dolphy: Out There
Lester Bowie: The Great Pretender

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Henry Threadgill thirded
(...any Threadgill, virtually)

Hal Russell thirded

Zorn's Spy vs Spy seconded heartily
(v.prolly the best 'hardcore' versions of O'Coleman one can get anywhere)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 28 July 2003 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I second Tim Berne's Bloodcount stuff in a big way. Everybody, jazz fan or not, should hear Unwound. Catchy, skronky, loud, soft, it's got grooves, it's chaotic, and it's recorded to sound like you're sitting right in drummer Jim Black's lap, which is cool, although the guy's got vegan breath.

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

um, non-nice jazz. What is ugly to one person is beautiful to the next. but anyway, Looking at the recommendations so far:

ornette coleman- free jazz
peter brotzmann trio- for adolphe sax

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

albert ayler~spirits rejoice (or any and all ayler you can find)

― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Monday, 28 July 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Good work.

But what I certainly don't want is ear-shredding pain-jazz, skronking up the place.

I want music for watching, say, a sunrise over permafrost or flying over a desert on smack.

How hard can that be?

― lee ward (lee ward), Monday, 28 July 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

out to lunch seconded then
and grachen moncur's evolution

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 28 July 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

music for watching, say, a sunrise over permafrost or flying over a desert on smack.

Maybe you should check out Supersilent.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll second that Supersilent suggestion and I'll add Sun Ra's "Angels and Demons at Play/Nubians of Plutonia", one of his least skronky, but quite strange and atmospheric.

― Jay Kirsch, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

non- painful jazz: try kenny g.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

out to lunch seconded then and grachen moncur's evolution

Weird - I was going to say exactly the same!

To add one, there's this great Teddy Charles & Shorty Rogers album from 1953 called Collaboration West - mad, avant-garde vibes & trumpet stuff, but somehow still tuneful(& a great sleeve, btw).

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/54/36/61615-resized200.JPG

― Jez (Jez), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 07:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the worm trio's "dreams of a slug backwards" cd on kea - luau discs is some real hard rippin hawaiian steel fusion with some nice bass sax yet at the same time sounds like stevie wonder

― bob snoom, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Sounds like you want the ECM catalog.

Jan Garbarek did those records of him improvising on soprano with a monk's choir doing Gregorian chants, haven't heard them though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Miles Davis, Get Up With It. Don't listen to anything but "He Loved Him Madly," though.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Rahsaan Roland Kirk - start with Volunteered Slavery or Blacknuss
Tony Williams Lifetime - Emergency

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

m carty otm,at least about the kevin shields remix of primal scream,which is one of the most amazing pieces of music ever,and also mingus and the twin peaks soundtrack...

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

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