Bands/Artists That Won't Clear Samples

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...or make it prohibitively expensive.

The Beatles. Who else?

(And are they a loss to sampled music, heh)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't Abba refuse the KLF?
And don't the Turtles own this one?

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Rolling Stones for Carter USM, I seem to remember.

Jim Eaton-Terry (Jim E-T), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody Beats the Wiz and Gilbert Godfrey both sued the Biz, separately.

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

i http://www.beastiemania.com/whois/markie_biz/markie_biz_thumb.jpg

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

pah.

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Marc Cohn denied Shut Up & Dance

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

MF Doom sampled 'Glass Onion' (off The White Album) to great effect on his wonderful track 'Tick, Tick...'

far as i know Paul'n'Ringo haven't caught up with him yet.

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Gilbert Godfrey

Gilbert O'Sullivan, rather.

Elliott (ebb), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Gilbert Godfrey = Gilbert Gottfried's English cousin?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

There's Beatles samples on "Paul's Boutique". ("Carry That Weight/The End" pops up on "Eggman", plus I forget what else)

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ekkehard Ehlrs built one of his "Plays John Casavetes" tracks entirely from the Beatles' "Goodnight." Still wondering how that was allowed to happen.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

For some reason I thought Led Zep was one of these bands, but the P Diddy/Jimmy Page monstrosity and the numerous samples of the drums from that song about the levee breaking seems to say otherwise.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Lesson Three" sampled "The Crunge".

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the thing with the beatles is that michael jackson owns a lot of the songs,and won't let them be sampled
i remember reading something about paul mc cartney wanting to buy back the songs though,dunno what happened with that
i remember sgt peppers had to be cut from the released version of the dirtchamber sessions by liam howlett,despite paul mc cartney's stated approval of the track's use

also i think there was some sort of landmark sampling related court case in the wake of three foot high and rising,paul's boutique came out before that as far as i know so possibly wasn't affected
i'm sure loads of people here know more about all this than me...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

also i think thom yorke wouldn't let paul oakenfold release a remix he did of street spirit
more cause he thought it was crap rather than anything against sampling in general though

robin (robin), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Rolling Stones win for forcing Carter USM to a) leave a single off the next album and b) when it finally emerged on the greatest hits, credit it to Morrison/Carter/Jagger/Richards.

Though they get partial redemption for denying all profits for "Bittersweet Symphony" from the Verve :)

Did the Chemical Brother's mix album have that cut of Sargeant Peppers that they always do, then?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Do Kraftwerk still refuse to license samples?

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard Gil Scott Heron doesn't allow people to sample his work

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"MF Doom sampled 'Glass Onion' to great effect on his wonderful track 'Tick, Tick...'"

And C.J. Bolland's "Sugar Is Sweeter" makes good use of a sample from "I Am The Walrus".

Palomino (Palomino), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

And Jacknife Lee made a jungle mash-up using 'Eleanor Rigby'. Pretty rubbish though.

sean g, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i heard Gil Scott Heron doesn't allow people to sample his work
-- JasonD (jaso...), July 29th, 2003.

1. I've sampled him in stuff I've made before, actually. It's so good.
2. Why not? It'd just be another forum to get his message across.

David Allen, Tuesday, 29 July 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Prince-Pop Life

Elvis Costello's tried a couple of times to use it but always got a no...damn you Prince!

Phil Dokes (sunny), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry White always charged a whole lot for samples. Def Jam ponied up for a sample on Boss's "Deeper and Deeper," but I don't know of anyone else willing to pay the $40,000 or whatever it was he was asking. No idea how his death will affect this.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard that AC/DC have a prohibitively expensive policy to any re-use of their material. (be that advertising film or sampling..)

Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

FUCK THE EAGLES

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Paul's Boutique owns this thread: Eagles on "High Plains Drifter", Beatles on "Sounds of Science", Pink Floyd on "Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun", Zeppelin on "What Comes Around"...

Mr. Lif's "Madness in a Cup" samples the Stones' "Monkey Man". Eat that, Glimmer TwinX0rz.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ekkehard Ehlrs built one of his "Plays John Casavetes" tracks entirely from the Beatles' "Goodnight." Still wondering how that was allowed to happen.

Exactly! It's a lenthy mutha of a track too, some 7 or 8 minutes at least, IIRC. All of it spinnnin' & spinnin' & spinnin' that one, very easily recognisable orchestral sample.
A very fine piece of music; WackoJack should be made to listen to it every hotdamn night, is what I think.

...And another artist who was extremely reluctant to clear a sample was of course Scanner! As Björk and her record label probably very well remember.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

According to the book Fair Use by Negativland, every single sample on Paul's Boutique was cleared.

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Do Kraftwerk still refuse to license samples?

??? Then how did "Planet Rock" ever see the light of day?

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The Beatles. Who else?

Strange. Are the Beatles notorious for doing this? The only thing I remember is the Beastie Boys not being allowed to release their cover of "I'm Down," but, like others have said already, there's been officially-released Beatles-sampling records ("The Masses Against the Classes," "Setting Sun," and "Criminal Minded" come immediately to mind)

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Aaaanyway:

Stock Aitken Waterman (sued M|A|R|R|S for the "Roadblock"-sampling original version of "Pump Up the Volume" (which, by the way, I can't seem to find on S---S--- ANYWHERE, so if any M|A|R|R|S fans out there could help a guy out it'd be greatly appreciated!))

Snoop Dogg/Snoop Doggy Dogg (Promo copies of the Beastie Boys' Hello Nasty album contain uncleared Snoop samples. I don't remember which songs the samples appeared on though. "The Negotiation Limerick File" maybe?)

Phil Collins

The Bee Gees (I seem to remember Wyclef having a HELL of a time releasing the Stayin' Alive song.)

Casey Kasem (the whole Snuggles/Negativland thing...)

any Disney song (unsurprisingly)

any Irving Berlin song

AC/DC (refused to grant The Beastie Boys permission to put "Rock Hard" on The Sounds of Science)

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 29 July 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Do Kraftwerk still refuse to license samples?

??? Then how did "Planet Rock" ever see the light of day?

Done without permission and before they had that policy.

Christine 'Green Leafy Dragon' Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

AC/DC? Damn, BDP must've lucked out with "Dope Beat" -- and Mario C and Mickey P with their remix of "Where It's At" that chopped the "swing both ways" bit into "What about... AC/DC?" immediately followed by a split second of a loud, unmistakeable guitar thud/snarl.

(I invoked Paul's Boutique in a "no way this could be done today" sort of manner.)

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 00:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, BDP must've lucked out with "Dope Beat"

this was before the '89 De La/Turtles case

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"Barry White always charged a whole lot for samples. Def Jam ponied up for a sample on Boss's "Deeper and Deeper," but I don't know of anyone else willing to pay the $40,000 or whatever it was he was asking. No idea how his death will affect this. "

interesting...there's a Love Unlimited Orchestra sample on Joe Budden's album. I wonder how much that set them back.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Just out of curiosity, how many artists who didn't get established until the 1980s or, even more interestingly, the 1990s fall into this list, as opposed to artists borne out of the 50s, 60s, and 70s?

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Or I guess more to the point...

do you think that, in the 2010's or 2020's, that 90s artists that are popular sample fodder will feel as violated about being sampled as our current dinosaurs do by our current sampling artists?

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

frank zappa was very anti-sample, and i presume that the zappa trust continues that policy.

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't Jay-Z say that the Jim Morrison sample on "Takeover" was his most expensive ever? mebbe I misremember

Adrian (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what Jay-Z should do to really flaunt his wealth - make a record using the most expensive samples in the world!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There are a lot of records that sample Kraftwerk. Beck sampled them on Midnite Vultures. I always assumed that's how they make their money.

rw, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"setting sun" doesn't sample the beatles, does it? it just pays very close homage to them.

and while michael jackson does own a piece of the beatles' song publishing, they don't need his help to not license their music to others. while there have been exceptions over the years, as a general rule the beatles don't license anything to anyone, period. not to television, not to movies, not to rappers, not to compilation records. you want beatles music or film, you've gotta go buy their records or see their tv shows. it's proved to be a quite successful business model.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

frank zappa was very anti-sample, and i presume that the zappa trust continues that policy.
-- Tad (@hotmail.com), July 30th, 2003.

Which is ironic given how much he effectively 'sampled' other peoples music and styles.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Elvis Costello's tried a couple of times to use it but always got a no...damn you Prince!"

It wasn't that EC wanted to sample the song as much as he wanted to cover it it with some new lyrics for a bait track on his Warners best of (Extreme Honey). Prince barred him from releasing it, altough I'm figuring it will be eventually released when the Costello catelog receives its umpteenth relaunch for the DVD/Super Audio/Mega Bucks format.

Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"That's what Jay-Z should do to really flaunt his wealth - make a record using the most expensive samples in the world!

-- Tom (freakytrigge...), July 30th, 2003."

yeah, but he said that the Sinatra estate was asking too much for the "My Way" sample he wanted, so they used Paula Anka's version instead. I felt so disillusioned when I heard that.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

IIRC, C.J. Bolland's "Sugar Is Sweeter" was released with the breakdown changed so It didn't resemble 'I am the Walrus'.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

as a general rule the beatles don't license anything to anyone, period. not to television, not to movies, not to rappers, not to compilation records. you want beatles music or film, you've gotta go buy their records or see their tv shows.

B-b-b-but what about that Nike commercial?

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

or was that just a John Lennon song?

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

that nike commercial was indeed a beatles song, "revolution," and it was one of those extremely rare exceptions. money, apparently, can talk if you've got enough of it. another exception was "twist and shout" in the movie "ferris bueller's day off," but that was a) a cover and b) apparently not entirely in the beatles' control.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the "revolution" commercial was IIRC one of the first things to occur after MJ purchased the rights to yoko ono's portion of the beatles' back catalog.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i believe gygax speaks the truth. or almost the truth. MJ didn't buy yoko's portion; rather he bought in its entirety the publisher that owned all of john and paul's songs, as well as a lot of other major copyrights.

(and he's since given up at least half of the company to sony.) and if i've got my music biz facts right, that still only gives him the power to license the composition; he doesn't control, and can't license, the actual beatles recording, which would be owned by emi and/or apple. which is to say michael and sony can license, for example, gomez's cover of a beatles song, as long as they have gomez's label's permission. but they can't license the beatles version without emi's blessing.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"setting sun" doesn't sample the beatles, does it? it just pays very close homage to them.

Supposedly the Chemical Brothers were able to demonstrate to the EMI/Apple lawyers that they weren't sampling Beatles material.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

the "revolution" commercial was IIRC one of the first things to occur after MJ purchased the rights to yoko ono's portion of the beatles' back catalog.

According to an interview I read, that really pissed Paul off something fierce. By the way, I also distinctly remember "Getting Better" and "Come Together" and "Instant Karma" all were used in TV commercials.

Evan (Evan), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

the "getting better" tv spot wasn't the beatles; that was gomez covering the beatles. don't know about the other two. (and "instant karma" was lennon solo, not the beatles.)

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
Since I'm d/ling the Grey Album - other records that sample/splice the Beatles? (don't have to be licensed...)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 23 January 2004 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Go Home Productions : Paperback Believer


http://www.vidler.btinternet.co.uk/pbackbel.mp3


mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 23 January 2004 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)


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