POX : TR-808

My vote's with "Booty Clap" off Prince Paul's "Psychoanalysis: What is it?"

then i can get an idea of whether the TR-808 actually is a golden machine. ta.

Hmm, fake 808 beats? I know the Theorem stuff that has 808 sounds are definitely fake. A lot of the old AUX 88/Keith Tucker electro records were samples. Any 808 sound on the early Autechre records. I'd bet The DFA 808 break on Beat Connection is sampled 808. The 808 sounds on Rest by Isolee are definitely samples.

It is tough to come up with more examples because the stuff I am listening to at the moment is either period correct (italio/dutch nu-italio/chicago house/detroit electro/techno) or not based around the 808 at all.

Little tricks to look out for is that if the open hat rings out while the closed hat is playing underneath it it is a sample(the closed hat mutes the open hat). Also look out for things like individual voices being accented on a beat rather than the entire beat being accented(the 808's accent function is global according to the 16th note). Plus you can just hear the sonic difference, the actual 808 will have a little more snap and be a bit more bouncy. You can get around that with high quality samples (you can hear the roland samples on their pcm drum machines from a mile away).

The best way to tell the difference is to actually use an 808 and another drum machine with 808 samples side by side. I am sure there are several objective reasons but if you have hands on experience you will be able to hear the difference.

Also all the 808 sounds on Detroit Bass records are samples as well as most of the songs on commerical R&B radio.

George, sorry I came late to your query. Mike's answer pretty much says it - it's got a lot to do with the accent - but I also remember a FutureMusic (I think) article examining the difference between the 808 sequencer and other analog and digital sequencers. Can't remember it exactly, but I think it concluded that the 808 sequencer was relatively loose; the sounds would hit exactly together, but the time between notes/beats was erratic. It gave the 808 a special feel. The result is more perceieved space and feel - when in the mix with other parts played on other sequencers, the 808 sounds like it's got a personality and feel of its own, and this is very pleasing to the ear. Mike or someone, correct me if I'm wrong about this.

Isn't the point not to be dictated to by an instrument? I don't even think that Isolee is 'sampling' 808s - merely invoking them, for the sake of citing a historical trajectory, aligning himself with it and fucking creating something new already.

its a weird question. nobody starts a thread "authentic les paul POX" do they? maybe they would've in the 50's?

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indeed!

Phuture - "Acid Trax"
Fast Eddie - "Acid Thunder"

how could i forget 'acid trax'?

also, in response to the question about sampled 808s, they are all over cabaret voltaire's early 90s output.

I wonder if we should've left out the likes of Curtis Mantronik, NWA, etc etc? Early hip-hop was 808 heaven.

i love express yourself by nwa. i am horrible at these POX or pick your favorite albums/singles threads. it's too time consuming to come up with a good list and then five minuntes later i want to change everything.

I think the caring part is more something being projected onto me by others than something I really feel strongly about. If something is good it is going to be good no matter what was used to make it. I don't sit around at night worrying if my record collection contains nothing but real 808 beats.

As far as close listening goes, what other kind of listening is there?
You cannot go to guitar center and buy a Jeff Mills style book like you can a classic blues riffs book. If you want to know how to do it you have to listen to the records very closely and try and guess your way though it.

Early Aphex stuff was all Roland R-8. SAW I&II both have R-8 drum sounds all over them.

I am leaving town for the weekend, have a good one.

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