Sam Phillips R.I.P.

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Well, he made it to 80.

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JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 31 July 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops, that's just the picture. Here's the story:

http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=1382877&nav=3HvDHCrQ

JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

for a sec i thought this was about the AORish singer with the album on Nonesuch.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

jim you really DO live on mars

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

*insert melbourne quip here*

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i feel like the professional academic that still hasn't got his head around the use of its/it's

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

who jim, who hasn't

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, I know we all think of ourselves as cannon smashers, etc. here, but... This man basically invented the POP music we're all obsessed with, didn't he? (or, cf. Nik Cohn, was one of the inventors of said) This seems to me a rather momentous occasion or something. (you can quote me on that)

flightsatdusk (flightsatdusk), Thursday, 31 July 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

:(

The day the music died for realz...

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 31 July 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.fab-u-lus.com/sam_elvis.jpg

They knew I was boss. But they knew I was boss because I knew what I was doing, and I never, not one time, went in and said, "Oh my God, this ain't the way to do it." I said, "The one damn thing you can't do in here if you're going to work with me: You can't hold anything back. And don't look at me and say, 'This white man ain't going to want to hear this. He's going to want to hear something that Count Basie would do, or that Ella Fitzgerald would sing.'" All those fabulous people. I said, "That's not what I'm looking for. If that's what you do, I want to hear it, but I'm going to send you somewhere where they'll record you, because I ain't interested in that." And, boy, it really did loosen people up a lot that might've thought, "Oh, he might be ashamed of what my indigenous field is, or the songs that I know and played at little clubs." We were poor folks. Black and white poor folks, including myself. Sometimes we learn more from the extreme circumstances that we find ourselves in. And I have found that so many ways, in country music, and black music, and gospel music, both black and white gospel music... I have said it so often, but there has never been an elixir that is so freeing, to the people that need freedom the most, as music. And I'm not just talking about the color of skin. I'm talking about people that never thought they'd have a damn opportunity for anybody to listen to them. They didn't know how, or couldn't get to New York or Chicago or Nashville. And they were loaded down with so many people that they couldn't take them all. I'm not saying anything against these people. I'm just saying that, godawmighty, I came in to help myself, but I came in to help them, too.

(Rest of interview here.)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Does a transcript of the legendary religious argument between Sam Phillips and Jerry Lee Lewis exist anywhere on the web? I lost Guralnick's Lost Highway a while back, where I first read it, I believe.
Anyway, here's a quote from the late genius himself:
"My mission was to bring out of a person what was in him, to recognize that individual's unique quality and then to find the key to unlock it."

nonthings (nonthings), Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

He was a really clever guy, always gave fantastic interviews. Very well-spoken.

And then there's that dialogue with Jerry Lewis about God and sin.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

good luck and godspeed sam

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 31 July 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

He made most of his cash investing in Holiday Inn. I think RCA paid about $60,000 for Elvis's contract.

James evidently he just ran out of luck.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 31 July 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

And then there's that dialogue with Jerry Lewis about God and sin.

yeah, that one. have you seen the transcript anywhere on the web, amateurist? anyone? i have a powerful need to read it right now.

nonthings (nonthings), Thursday, 31 July 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, he looked like Moses.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 31 July 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the jerry lee lewis argument is amazing. i don't know where it's available on the web but i'm pretty sure it's reproduced in the appendix to 'mystery train' - you might want to sneak a peak in a bookshop.

in general though, sam phillips was clearly a great, great man in many ways and it's a shame he's gone

adam b (adam b), Thursday, 31 July 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sam Phillips may have been the most influential music label owner ever, which is saying something considering what Chess, Blue Note, Atlantic, Stax/Volt, Motown and others did. He perhaps didn't have the staying power, but considering what he did at Sun and before, it is impressive.

On a side note, he aged rather well. I remember seeing an interview with him on Charlie Rose in the early 90s with a friend and we were joking that he looked younger then than in the pictures at Sun in the 50s.

earlnash, Thursday, 31 July 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, Charlie Rich, Howlin Wolf, BB King, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison, Rufus Thomas, Ike Turner, Carl Perkins.

Says it all really.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 31 July 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, that quote above. Might have been one of the best music commentators ever, on top of everything else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The tape of the argument between Phillips and Jerry Lee can be heard in its entirety on Jerry Lee Lewis: The Alternate Collection, a 2-disc set on Sun/Charly. It's probably out of print, but I'm sure you can also find it on the Bear box set.
If I knew anything about HTML, I'd upload it here.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 31 July 2003 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, Charlie Rich, Howlin Wolf, BB King, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roy Orbison, Rufus Thomas, Ike Turner, Carl Perkins.
And Holiday Inn.

The man was an exploitative cheat who took advantage of poor country boys who loved their mamas--that is to say, the very essence of rock&roll. Heaven just got a little more fun.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Compared to Colonel Tom the guy was probably a saint...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Few seemed angry at him...I don't recall his business dealings being especially shady. I'm sure he cut some corners but not enough to win lasting infamy.

I don't know where you're getting that, Horace. Do you have a source?

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

a true great and one of the grand architects of both rock and pop. sam was the man and it saddens me deeply that he has passed.

as for horace's comment on shady business dealings, let's not tar Sam with a revisionist brush from 2003. Comparatively speaking for his time, Phillips was a saint when it came to record label dealings.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 31 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

where I'm getting what?
that most of his artists felt that he took advantage of them? geez, do you have all day? But yeah, most of them didn't hold grudges, because 1) they were appreciative of the opportunities he gave them 2) they came to realize that the entire industry was full of scumbags 3) he was a great producer and fun guy

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

from the rockabilly hall of fame website:

As a businessman, Phillips was not perfect, and artists would sometimes question his royalty statements and selection of material for
release when interviewed long after the '50s. As a producer, however, he certainly seems to have been gifted at eliciting great
performances from his artists. Sun records were often imbued with a "slapback" echo, created by a small tape delay when the signal was
bounced between machines. Whether on sessions principally overseen by Phillips or others, Sun studio personnel were good at positioning
instruments so that an especially crisp sound emerged. The resulting "Sun sound" was recognizable enough that many collectors
automatically respect and purchase almost anything on the label.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not trying to tar or even mar Mr. Phillips, but I think that his creativity in business dealings was as essential of a building block as his slapback.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

horace, i was just springboarding off your comment -- not pointing the finger or screaming, "THAT BASTARD MANN!" i just think, comparatively speaking during his time, when it comes to artists Sam was a damn sight better than most (or a lot) of his contemporaries.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"As a businessman, he was not perfect"? That's a bit ambiguous. Does it suggest mendacity or incompetence?

For one thing, he was a fairly lousy businessman when it came to preserving his own assets--at least until Holiday Inn came along.

But yeah, I think we're basically in agreement. Royalties were handled, um, differently back then, across the board, and Sam was probably less fair than some and fairer than most. But like you said, I doubt many or any artist begrudge the chance he gave them to reach a wide audience and the producing skills he brought to the table.

Phillips was actually quite musically perceptive, I think, unlike a lot of his contemporaries like, uh, that guy at King who called James Brown a piece of shit. Charlie Feathers got mad at Sam for suggesting that honky tonk ("the next George Jones"), not rock and roll, was his strong suit. But I think Sam was right.

amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the wires say that a ceremony to mark the Sun Studio as a National Historical Landmark were to have taken place today in Washington.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

also from the AP Obit:
“I’ll never retire. I’m just using up somebody else’s oxygen if I retire,” he said in 2000.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 31 July 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Phillips: "Jerry. Jerry. If you think that you can't, can't do good if you're a rock and roll exponent—"

Lewis: "You can do good, Mr. Phillips, don't get me wrong—"

Phillips: "Now wait, wait, listen. When I say do good—"

Lewis: "You can have a kind heart!"

Phillips: "I don't just mean, I don't mean just—"

Lewis: "You can help people!"

Phillips: "You can save souls!"

Lewis: "No! No! No! No!"

Phillips: "Yes!"

Lewis: "How can the Devil save souls? What are you talking about?"

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 1 August 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

You missed the part where the drummer yells, "Christ! Let's cut this thing!" ;-)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 1 August 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

so what if he was a lousy business man? how many ppl, when they hear something that is 'new' are perceptive enough to recognise it and give it exposure.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 August 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

He ate puppy dogs.
(my new standard line when I want to turn public opinion against somebody)
It's not even that he was a LOUSY businessman. He obviously wasn't incompetent, and in all fairness, with the money that he collected that might've gone to giving Jerry Lee better royalities, he recorded far less lucrative rockers and even an alarming amount of women (for a time when few ladies were allowed to ROCK!). He even launched an "All Girl" radio station in Memphis.
But all I meant by my original post was that he really embodied the shifty/saintly duality that made original rock/roll so electrifying.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't fucking believe the guy was 80. Under all that hair, he looked like at least a decade younger.

For a Yeti.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 1 August 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a poor country boy who loves his mama and I'd do just about anything to be exploited by somebody like Sam Phillips

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 August 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

how was Elvis exploited by Sam Phillips?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 1 August 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a poor country boy who loves his mama and I'd do just about anything to be exploited by somebody like Sam Phillips

gimme six months to grow an Old Testament beard and then come over to my place, buddy.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 1 August 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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