The Fatima Mansions - C/D, S&D

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Bought "Lost in the Former West" last week and loved it. What can you tell me about this band?

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

always had a soft spot for microdisney...fatima mansions, no.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 September 2003 10:45 (twenty years ago) link

Gaz, if you see a cheap copy of the Mansions' "Bertie's Brochures" around, you might think about picking it up. I tend to take the same line as you, but I adore "BB".

JP some Microdisney / Mansions discussion here: The High Llamas: C or D? and here:
Cathal Coughlan: Search & Destroy

Tim (Tim), Friday, 12 September 2003 11:10 (twenty years ago) link

ok, ta Tim.

gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:20 (twenty years ago) link

thanx Tim

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

Only thing I have by them is their cover of Bryan Adam's Everything I Do I Do It For You on the Ruby Trax compilation. It's a great cover.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 12 September 2003 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

There are a couple of good tracks on every Fatimas album but a lot of the time they could be very clumsy - "Bertie's Brochures" has all their virtues and shows their faults at their most bearable. In full-on ranting mode they could be good too - "Blues For Ceaucescu" and "Evil Man" are their best bug-eyed singles.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 September 2003 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going with classic, as Viva Dead Ponies was truly a headfuck for its time (when everyone else seemed to be listening to the Happy Mondays).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 12 September 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

So it seems that, at least, "Bertie's Brochures" and "Viva Dead Ponies" are items worth the search...

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Friday, 12 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

Viva Dead Ponies is one of my favorite albums of the nineties, and although it never seemed to really break through even to college radio, when I was in college it was the one album everyone I knew could agree was great. My indie-rock friends liked it, my heavy metal friends liked it, my synth-pop friends liked it, my art-rock friends liked it. I could never figure out why it wasn't huge, although at that point I couldn't figure out why Jerry Brown wasn't president either.

Lost in The Former West is good, but a little conventional for me. I love "Popemobile to Paraguay", though, and my heart warms whenever I read the unironic liner note: "Respect to all cover bands."

Also, I'd get the "Tima Mansio Dumps the Dead" EP. I still think their cover of "Shiny Happy People" is as fucked up and awesome as any Bomb Squad production.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Saturday, 13 September 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link

Unfortunately, their albums are stupidly hard to find 'round these parts (on Lisbon, Portugal, that is), even on used stores... guess I'll have to keep looking...

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 13 September 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think folks Stateside really knew what to make of the Fatima Mansions. Microdisney never made a big splash here, the Fatima Mansions certainly didn't look like they sounded (not that it should matter) and some of the references in their music were a little too cerebral or esoteric for the grunge crowd (sorry, facts are facts). Thus, they never really "cracked" the market here, sadly.

"Angel's Delight" alone made Ministry sound about as fierce and subversive as the Fixx.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 September 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

I like them Mansions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 September 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
Cathal Coughlan also put out 3 solo albums, of which I recommend the Grand Necropolitan and Black River Falls. The last one is called The Sky's Awful Blue and I don't know if it got a US release, but I got mine through cdzone in the UK.

AndreNY (AndreNY), Monday, 28 June 2004 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got Black River but not the other two, I need to investigate...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 June 2004 02:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Could I be correct in thinking that I saw the Fatima Mansions open for Weezer and Live (?!) in 1993 at the University of California at Riverside?

Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Grand Necropolitan is impossible to find, but Mr. Coughlan made it available for download through his site...get it while you can. The Sky's Awful Blue is not significantly different from Black River, so I would recommend trying that too. Cathal Coughlan will actually answer your email. if you bother to write to him. He might be able to help you locate a copy.

On the topic Fatima Mansions, everything is worth checking...write to your favourite resissue label and start a campaign to make it available to a wider audience.

AndreNY (AndreNY), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for the Necropolitan tip! Am downloading now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I still find much of the Fatima Mansions catalogue thrilling. Stylistically all over the place but coming together with a constant aggressive approach and sharp-as-nails lyrics. "Valhalla Avenue" was full of bile - "Go Home Bible Mike", "Evil Man", "Something Bad". Great singles cuts like "Hive" and his messed up covers including an unrecognizable "Everything I Do I Do It For You". I haven't checked but I imagine much of this material is way out of print, tsk.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 19 December 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

not that much out of print.

a double cd reissue of two of their classic albums was quite recent so copies are still easilyy available :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Viva-Dead-Ponies-Fatima-Mansions/dp/B000UTOQLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1261430995&sr=8-1

mark e, Monday, 21 December 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

That's cool, I missed that. I've got it all but it's a great primer for the uninitiated!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 21 December 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

EVIL MAN!!!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 30 May 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

Love this, just beautifully brutal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDov3gE1nOY

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

I saw the FMs in mid-90s, met CC at a radio station not long after. Always liked "Ceausescu," "Only Losers Take the Bus."

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

I could see 'em being up your alley, I always liked the combination of on-edge anger and the Scott Walkerisms as a strange but necessary anchor.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, I haven't gushed enough in this thread? Crikey. Good point re: Scott Walker, Ned - Cathal's one of the pull-quotes in the big box set. The Mansions were much more direct and abrasive in terms of their feelings but clearly found a guiding light in Walker.

Cathal's solo work has ranged from fantastic to unmemorable, but little has expressed the bile of Fatima Mansions. More's the pity, but as Robyn Hitchcock once said, you can't be 50 and still be a nihilist.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

Has anybody here ever heard the Bubonique CD, and if I ever see it in a used bin should I snap it up?

henry s, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

Had it, sold it. Pretty one-note-joke with minimal repeat playability. At one point he offered it as a free download on his site.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

am i the only one here thinking there was a huge resemblance to roland orzabal on cathal's vocal tone, esp during FMs most sedated moments? i mean, listen to pack of lies or the chorus to viva dead ponies for further evidence.

or this (one of my faves from the fatimas btw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loJQLinleWk

cock chirea, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 07:46 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

This band is really good.

afriendlypioneer, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

I'm going to give them another shot thanks to this heads up. At the time they were scarily political and I just wasn't in the mood.

Are the politics that much of a barrier? Frankly I love the raw power and bombast, it channels my own feelings.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

I was in the U.S. when it came out, it was during the Iraq War. Imagine listening to "Chow, Ceaucescu" on a packed commuter bus. I'm sure people in Ireland or the U.K. have a different take on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s00zBdmEhLY

Wow, blast from the past. I guess it might go with hip-hop...

five years pass...

if you can't shift this crate of brillo pads by friday
vengeance
will be mine

mookieproof, Thursday, 17 August 2017 01:32 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

cathal otm

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 01:10 (three years ago) link

Yeah, his righteous venom is good for these times.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:50 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

cathal vs jackknife lee = telefis

loving the stuff i have heard.

however, jacknife lee sorted out this as an extra treat that clearly cannot be released

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7kmbqOaBo

mark e, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link

ooops - wrong link !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGiCxii7sE

mark e, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link

That's great fun - Human League, Gang Of Four, and do I hear a bit of "Warm Leatherette"?

Really looking forward to more from Cathal after years of silence.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 20 January 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

Good article about my favorite of all his albums. Keep music evil!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 10 September 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link


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