Rock Bands That Hip Hop Fans Make An Exception For

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i know it's hard to generalize but you know how there are a few hip hop acts that even avowedly anti-rap rock fans tend to like, like public enemy and outkast and de la soul maybe? well then what are the rock bands that hardcore heads generally like?

and if its certain rock-like aspects to the sound of PE et al that makes them acceptable to rock fans, are there hiphop-like aspects to some rock acts that makes them OK? or is there a whole different dynamic at work here

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Steely Dan to thread?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

hendrix - he WAS black and, apart from that, a genius that every sensible music fan has GOT to love and admire.

wyclef jean, he he ...

- and i seriously think that radiohead is getting a fair amount of props out there - but that is just a feeling i have from the talk of my 'keep it real' acquaintances. i might be wrong...

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't get the steely dan one - you mean because de la sampled "peg"? or am i missing something? they are kinda jazzy and funny-rhyme-friendly, i guess that makes sense

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

More a hunch than anything else, but I'll bet ya it's a valid one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Stereolab. obscure tastes, cool design and love of analog equipment.

― JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

but they don't necessarily RAWK

― JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 15 September 2003 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Judging from Pazz and Jop ballots (and this is really generalizing, I admit), hip hop critics tend to have HORRIBLE taste in rock music: If I remember right, in the past couple years, there were several scattered ballots with all hip-hop albums except for like, one token U2 or Radiohead or Coldplay or (especially) Fiona Apple album. Given the rhythmic ineptness of all four of those acts, I'm totally stumped. Though if I thought about it a lot, I bet I could come up with a theory. (And yeah, for Radiohead it's probably the "sonic" whatever of the production sound effects. Not that I give a shit.)

― chuck, Monday, 15 September 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(i should said "...all hip-hop OR R&B albums except for..." etc.)

― chuck, Monday, 15 September 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

should HAVE, damn.

then again, I remember when punk rockers used to complain about early hip-hoppers liking Rush and Billy Squier songs. And those punk rockers were WRONG. But Rush and Billy Squier (and Steve Miller and Aerosmith and Babe Ruth and Thin Lizzy etc) had BEATS.

― chuck, Monday, 15 September 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm... just out of curiosity, what do you make of the rock critics' taste in hiphop based on the same ballots?

i guess i'm trying to work out what somebody absorbed in one type of music sees in music outside their immediate sphere... can they discern something cool in it that others can't?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

and speaking of rush, i saw a white label bootleg 12" of "today's tom sawyer" and "subdivisions" in a rack at a hip hop record shop a few weeks ago, which was part of the reason i started thinking about this

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

My fave instance of sampling synergy is M.O.P.'s use of Foreigner's "Cold as Ice." What a weird but inspired reference point.

― Chris O., Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ Q-Bert and Mixmaster Mike used to open sets by scratching the fuck out of "Tom Sawyer". And oh man did it ever sound choice.

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:09 (twenty-two years ago)

And M.O.P. also sample the Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" in some song, don't they?

― chuck, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Kid Rock, Elvis Presley, Limp Bizkit, Good Charlotte

(a limp bizkit nugget from "rolling" is even part of the collage of hip-hop radio station the Power 106's in-between jam blurb)

― Vic, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of hip hop fans (and artists!) seem to quite like Radiohead. And Björk, but I suppose she's not rock (or a band).

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthrax, Slayer?

― Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Given the rhythmic ineptness of all four of those acts

I dunno about that -- our own Nickalicious, who clearly likes him his hip-hop, has raved more than once about Phil Selway's beats. Others might feel similarly?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Steely Dan--you hear 'em all over the Neptunes.
Rush--always cited by the Neptunes.

Not that the Neptunes are really orthodox hip hop. Except by dint of doing half the hip hop hits on radio.

― joe schmo, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

if Vic is talking about fans (radio station's play what fans wanna hear) and most of you are talking about hip-hop ARTISTS (which wasn't the question), then I have to say the fans have better taste.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the biggest groups out of the past decade are without a doubt metallica and nirvana. reading the interview with sir mix-a-lot on the seatle weekly site made me cringe with having sir mix's opinion changed about rock music after seeing metallica's 91 performance at the MTV awards. and nirvana just seems to be a "blanket" band to be able to name drop.

― brock (brock), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Manson, I'll betcha. He's "bling" in a cryptic way.

― Andrew Frye (paul cox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

phil collins to thread

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

phil gets mad love.

Sir Mix-A-Lot teamed up with Presidents Of The United States Of America as the supergroup Subset and recorded the song "Addicted To The Fame," about the perils of stardom.

I have a 12-Inch of it and NOBODY CAN HAVE IT! MINE!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

in Nelson George's great if incredibly conflicted and contradictory Death Of Rhythm & Blues he comments sadly about black kids who thought Phil Collins was just as soul as Lionel Richie.

He never bothered to explain in what way Phil Collins didn't.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean wasn't.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, well, Lionel Richie is not exactly your ideal comparison if you want to talk about how soulless Phil Collins is. I mean, the Commodores, OK, but Lionel solo...

― joe schmo, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Pearl Jam.

― Adam Harrison-Friday, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

In Rap is Dead by Killer Mike he talks about Kurt Cobain and Lennon.....also, isn't proof from D12 going to have an album called Searching For Jerry Garcia?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i have hip hop making friends that are way into Can and the Silver Apples.... cause they gots beats

― JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

every rapper name checks kurt cobain because he's the only rockstar with a name they remember during interviews

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

can you honestly imagine method man or fat joe knowing who the singer from creed is?

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I couldn't imagine most of America wanting to know his name anyway.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i certainly don't know who the singer from creed is

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

electric sound of fat joe

― gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

now yer talkin

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

then again, I remember when punk rockers used to complain about early hip-hoppers liking Rush and Billy Squier songs.

i remember a late '80s pazz & jop poll in which they printed a certain critic's top 10 (i can't remember who it was) that had nine hip-hop albums and a replacements album (it was either "pleased to meet me" or "tim," more likely the former). as a replacements fan, this of course made perfect sense to me at the time and helped validate the band in some strange way. i realized even then that the replacements were not exactly a beat-friendly band. but perhaps their misfit status gave them some weird kind of hip-hop street cred. throw in a singer who sounds vaguely like rod stewart, and you've got yourself an urban phenomenon. or something like that.

― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Lionel Richie's records >>>>> Phil Collins's records

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

trudat, but gimme 'sussudio' over 'all night long (all night)'

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone said aerosmith yet?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 07:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Lionel Richie's records >>>>> Phil Collins's records

Not the singles. "I'm Easy" > "In The Air Tonight"?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

easily

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 08:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Nirvana is a good call - i once saw Kelis live (not quite hip hop, but hey) perform a straight-up cover of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'. At the same concert she actually also did a cover of Lionel Richie's 'Hello'. What a weird coincidence, really, this thread in mind ...
Oh, and she also fucking did 'Born To Be Wild'! I'm not shitting you. I almost forgot how strange this concert was ... It was almost punk.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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