Beyonce the new Madonna?

It surely should be though. She didn't invent it though. Snoop used it in "Fuck With Dre Day".

― Nick H, Friday, 19 September 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

She's a better singer than Madonna.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

well, duh.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think she's independent enough to be Madonna.

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-but the shoes on her feet? She bought em!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, that was Kelly, never mind.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Kelly bought Beyonce's shoes?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Her model is much more J-Lo. (There was a funny photo feature in US Weekly a few weeks back showing how Beyonce jacks all J-Lo's styles a few months later)

― Ben Williams, Friday, 19 September 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

inspiration for this thread:

Entertainment - Reuters

Busy Beyonce Tired of 'Booty-This, Booty-That'
Thu Sep 18,12:25 PM ET

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By Larry Fine

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Beyonce Knowles (news) helped promote the "booty talk" so
prevalent on the pop scene as well as appreciation for a woman's round, tight butt, but the sultry
rhythm and blues diva is tired of all the bootylicious babble she has inspired.

"It's really silly. I wrote a song called 'Bootylicious,' maybe
three years ago. And now the word is in the dictionary. To be
honest, I hate the word," said Knowles, the singer turned
actress whose second film, "The Fighting Temptations," opens
nationally on Friday.

Knowles, who got her start with the singing group Destiny's
Child, which had a number one record when she was 15, has
gotten a lot of mileage out of her song and sexy videos
celebrating her voluptuous attributes, but the Houston native
says it is time to move on.

"I'm getting older," said the 22-year-old Knowles, wearing
long, glittering diamond and ruby earrings and a bracelet to
match at an interview this week. "I want my style to reflect
that."

Knowles, who scored a hit this year with her first solo album,
"Dangerously in Love," is certainly not slowing down.

Next week she is meeting with fashion designers about
launching her own line and seeing some movie people about
her next film project. Then it's off to Rome and Paris to shoot
commercials before starting a six-week European concert tour
ahead of a January reunion with cohorts Michelle Williams
(news) and Kelly Rowland (news) to begin work on a new
Destiny's Child record.

Knowles, needless to say, does not shy away from her creative
urges and explained the story behind "Bootylicious."

"I'm glad I wrote it. It's a fun song," she said. "It's just a word, like someone is feeling confident. I
wrote it because I was gaining weight, and I felt like for all the people that feel like I do right now,
I'm going to write this song and make people proud of their curves.

"But now everywhere I go, everybody is saying, 'booty-this' and 'booty-that' and it's really
irritating."

Though "The Fighting Temptations," which co-stars Cuba Gooding (news) Jr. and a host of gospel,
soul and rap talent, contains a laugh-line reference to "bootyology," Knowles feels she is stepping
forward with the film.

BAREFOOT IN A LONG BLACK DRESS

"The character just seemed like it was written for me. It was perfect," she said about her role as
Lilly, a nightclub singer recruited to join the revitalization of a southern church choir in the fairly
predictable, but spirited gospel comedy.

"It's very rare you can find a movie that has a message and has great music and is funny and not
corny and you can take your parents to and still really enjoy," said Knowles, who was quick to
laugh as she lounged barefoot in a long, black dress.

Knowles, whose first film role was as the cartoonish Foxxy Cleopatra in "Austin Powers in
Goldmember," said she had great fun making music in the film with the likes of the O'Jays, Melba
Moore, Shirley Caesar and Ann Nesby.

"By the end it felt like a real choir, it didn't feel like we were working," she said. "It didn't matter if
it was one in the morning and we had been working all day. You could see we had fun. In the end,
in between takes, we had jam sessions singing each other's songs."

Knowles said she fell in love with gospel music after her family switched from a Catholic to a
Methodist church when she was 10 and she began singing in the choir.

She said she also related to Lilly's strong-mindedness.

"I grew up in the south so a lot of her qualities were in me. She was outspoken
and I know people like that and I know how it feels to be judged. I grew up around
single parents, single mothers. Strong women. I think it was nice to play that."

"In a lot of ways I'm a lot like her. She was not very glamorous, just natural. And
even though I'm so over the top as Foxxy Cleopatra and on stage, in real life I'm a
lot like Lilly."

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Me: Let's do a little free association, shall we?

Alterna-Me: OK, shoot!

Me: Gallagher

Alterna-Me: Not funny.

Me: Beyonce Knowles

Alterna-Me: Fat.

― ModJ, Friday, 19 September 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Kelly's the one who buys her own shoes, Beyonce buys her own jewelry.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I said it before and I'm saying it again:
How the hell can they be Independent if they belong to Charlie?

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

actually bootylicious IS in the dictionary. was recently added to the OED along with 'bada bing' 'bling bling' and others

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030821-114533-2844r.htm

― H (Heruy), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Larry Fine wrote that article!
Is "nyuck nyuck nyuck" in the dictionary?

And no, she's not the new Madonna. Not pushy enough.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 19 September 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The 22,000-page, 500,000-word "OED" features an
update on the noun "Brazilian," which has little to do with
Brazil, but a great deal to do with strategic hair removal and
new styles in feminine undergarments.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Somehow I missed the fact she's only 22.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I would say that Beyonce has definite talent, Madonna has definitely no talent except as a capitalist

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned, she may only be 22, but she's nigh on her way to dressing like Bea Arthur

"I'm getting older," said the 22-year-old Knowles, wearing
long, glittering diamond and ruby earrings and a bracelet to
match at an interview this week. "I want my style to reflect
that."

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

>Somehow I missed the fact she's only 22.

Um, no she's not. At least not according to the Teen People fact-checking department (I got secret sources!). She's more in the neighborhood of 26-27.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

That makes a lot more sense!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

According to IMDB: 4 September 1981

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

She's not interesting enough to be the "new Madonna". Not by a looooooooooong shot.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

She's also nowhere near ugly enough

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 19 September 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

madonna was a bit whorish. beyonce just so sweet. did you see her flare her nostrils on Leno, she's a woman after my heart, i tell ya.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyoncé's not the new Madonna... in terms of using her videos to reinvent herself and really inextricably bind her image to her music (and also aforementioned whorishness) Xtina is far more akin to Madonna. Beyoncé is at the same time too talented and not as interesting.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 19 September 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Xtina and Britney probably want to be the new Madonna, but they don't have the balls.

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I can honestly say that I don't know who beeyonsay is.
Time to buy a People magazine.

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see how she's much like Madonna at all, actually.

― Sean (Sean), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

always with the "Xtina"!!!
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― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

she's like a sexier, better diana ross.

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Moderator, please delete ilm.

― Nicolars (Nicole), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyonce is so far from being the new Madonna, it's laughable. Beyonce is the most prudish pop star we've got today. It's bothersome. And I'm loving the fact that she's actually in her late 20s -- good job to those who uncovered that one!

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

all I meant by the B:M is that she's completely self-absorbed and deluded about her actual relevance in the world around her.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, Madonna's relevance is fuck-all important and music has nothing to do with it. Anyone who says otherwise is either A) not a woman B) not woman enough to admit it.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Why hasn't this Beyonce age thing been plastered all over Entertainment Tonight if it's true?

― dleone (dleone), Friday, 19 September 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

>Why hasn't this Beyonce age thing been plastered all over Entertainment Tonight if it's true?

Like Entertainment Tonight is in the business of revealing anything a celebrity's publicist doesn't want revealed.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 September 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

If Beyonce is Madonna, then Kelis is Cyndi Lauper?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 20 September 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

beyonce's new look with the feathered hair is so hottt and it was copped by mya too and her older look with the pastel summerwear copped britney in crossroads but it was hottt too.

she looks younger lately, i think, and that whole "shark eyes" quip is disturbingly otm coz she's pouring on the anime-naive look makeup so thick.

nonetheless i would marry her.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 20 September 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the big distinction from Madonna that everyone's missing is that Beyonce has been in somewhat successful movies.

she's definitely not in her late 20's, though. when Destiny's Child first came out, they kind of kept their age on the low because they were so young... I mean shit, when you think about how B looked in that video with Wyclef, and she was like 16, I mean, damn, I'd feel guilty about it if I wasn't like 15 at the time myself (see: trife's Mandy Moore thread).

― Al (sitcom), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see why Beyoncé would have kept her age under wraps. She never played the Lolita/schoolgirl card - when she was a teenager she always looked and came across as more mature anyway - and it's only really now that people are saying "omg she's so young".

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember when 'No No No' came out there was a bit of a buzz about how YOUNG the girls were (16/17 right?), as there was with Aaliyah and Britney (i know they weren't all the same age) - but maybe their ages were exaggerated then too. Beyonce looks 22-24 anyway (but is Britney still only 21? yaaargh!)

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 20 September 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyoncé's not the new Madonna... in terms of using her videos to reinvent herself and really inextricably bind her image to her music (and also aforementioned whorishness) Xtina is far more akin to Madonna. Beyoncé is at the same time too talented and not as interesting.

THANK YOU.

― ModJ, Saturday, 20 September 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

What, pray tell, makes Beyonce *interesting* (aside from the fact that her parents orchestrate her life to a creepy degree)? To me, Xtina is far more muscular and charismatic and I'm always looking forward to what she does next. I'm not being a jerk, I'm sincerely curious as to how/why Beyonce holds one's attention. (Yes, she's hot. Big deal.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Saturday, 20 September 2003 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I would say that Beyonce has definite talent, Madonna has definitely no talent except as a capitalist
She became a capitalist due to her pop savvy. Beyonce isn't the new Madonna because she's not as hungry nor intelligent as Madonna was (or is?). Beyonce may have a better voice, a prettier face and so much more, she's not a scavenger like Madonna is. Madonna stole and made things her own. I don't think she came at the *right time* (Madonna rose to fame at a point there weren't that many big stars). Beyonce can't set herself apart from the gazillion other R&B stars.

― nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 20 September 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What, pray tell, makes Beyonce *interesting* (aside from the fact that her parents orchestrate her life to a creepy degree)? To me, Xtina is far more muscular and charismatic and I'm always looking forward to what she does next. I'm not being a jerk, I'm sincerely curious as to how/why Beyonce holds one's attention. (Yes, she's hot. Big deal.)

Well, Beyoncé's songs (singles) are better than Xtina's. I agree with you though, beyond the disturbing Electra complex there's nothing to Beyoncé beyond her a) talent and b) looks. Xtina has the reinvention thing going on, the willingness to push boundaries, the apparent need to turn herself into something else for the beenfit of either her audience or herself - which in turn indicates a dissatisfaction which is belied by the lyrics she sings. B's completely satisfied with what she is, but I guess you would be, really.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i love xtina's image more but i would never marry her coz in two years she'd be an alcoholic or something and start cutting herself and i'd have to carry her through the "hard times" after which she'd just throw me over for someone more exciting.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 20 September 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I've followed both movie careers pretty closely. Madonna can't act, but Beyonce lacks something more (and less) than ability: She's a vacuum. I get that blankness from her singles, too, which I like but don't love... For all the talk about Madonna constructing her image, she pretty much is who she is, and always has been, and I like her. Who's Beyonce?

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 21 September 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Beyonce's already had a handful of singles (some as a part of Destiny's Child) that are as good if not better than most Madonna classics:

Jumpin' Jumpin'
Say My Name
Independent Women
Crazy In Love

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 21 September 2003 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i think this thread needs to be locked now

― Vic (Vic), Monday, 22 September 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

whew

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Beyonce's a replicant in need of swift retirement.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 September 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

New Mo or not, teachin' Oprah to do the booty thing on her show last week was CLASSIC!

― briania, Monday, 22 September 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's Beyonce?
A superfluous question in pop.

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

well, what right does she have to drop her last name?
I think unless you're Prince or ODB, you have to keep the name you started with.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"Say My Name" is probably greater than anything Madonna produced before "Into the Groove," though "Borderline" is too close to my heart for objectivity. I'm not saying I don't like her songs. I'm just saying that who she is doesn't come across. I mean, "Independent Woman" strikes me as an advertisement for a sentiment she thinks she should have. Didn't she just get done telling us to pay her bills?

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

beyonce is kind of false female but madonna's really herself a legend. beyonce is trying to copy every move she made. i think she's the new madonna because she said that she love her so much becuase of madonna is huge influence by all the female singer to express their lifes for what you are.

― Junior Roberts, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't stand beyonce number one she is very unoriginal.she cant ever compare to aaliyah who was genuine with her dance moves beyonce goes hard and she just looks dumb and wild when she dances. bouncing around like a freaking kangaroo they should call her Bounceay not beyonce she was dying for attention and always has to be on the spotlight no wonder why destiny's child couldn't stay together.always having to be in the center of the group come on are you that insecure to think you wont be seen if your not in the middle? she's not an ugly girl on the outside but that self-centered attitude makes her hidious

― Kiesha Johnson, Friday, 23 July 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Beyonce Knowles helped promote... (an) appreciation for a woman's round, tight butt...
Truly; prior to Beyonce, I liked square flabby asses. Now I'm all about round, tight butts.
Beyonce, you've done it again!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 July 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)

bouncing around like a freaking kangaroo they should call her Bounceay not beyonce

Oh Oscar!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 24 July 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

happy birthday

― Dominique, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 04:41 (eighteen years ago)

She's very attractive, of course, but a bit overrated appearing always as the #1 HOTTEST GIRL IN THE UNIVERSE in dumb lists. I don't even think she was the most attractive girl in Destiny's Child (Kelly Rowland FTW) and that big girl from the Supreme's movie has a better face.

― Cunga, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

and more to love

― gershy, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking of J. Hudson, you think she would have better capitalized on the success of Dreamgirls by now.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 05:29 (eighteen years ago)

Cosmetics company L'Oreal has been accused of "whitening" singer Beyoncé Knowles' skin colour in a series of press ads in women's magazines in the US.

The ads, for L'Oreal Paris' Feria hair colour product, feature in the September editions of Elle, Allure and Essence magazines in the US.

In the ads the 26-year-old star, who is married to rapper Jay Z, appears to be much whiter than typical pictures of the singer-cum-actress.

There has been a backlash in the US over the images. The New York post said that the "digital lightening" made her "virtually unrecognisable".

Gossip website TMZ described the Beyoncé images as "bleached out" and "Photoshopped", launching an online poll to ask if the whitening was "a slap to blacks?".

However, L'Oreal maintained there has been no lightening of the singer's complexion in the ads.

"We highly value our relationship with Ms Knowles. It is categorically untrue that L'Oreal Paris altered Ms Knowles' features or skin tone in the campaign for Feria hair color," the company said in a statement.

Knowles has worked with the cosmetics company since 2001.

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 8 August 2008 10:23 (seventeen years ago)

Beyonce IRL:
http://highbridnation.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/beyonce.jpg

How she looked in the L'Oreal advert:
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/keira-knightley-pirates-of-the-caribbean-dead-mans-chest-uk-premiere-0Siu1z.jpg

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 8 August 2008 10:24 (seventeen years ago)

Beyonce has been "26 years old" for 3 years now!

― Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, 8 August 2008 10:33 (seventeen years ago)

this thread is bogus

― Surmounter, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:11 (seventeen years ago)

Beyonce has been "26 years old" for 3 years now!

-- Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, August 8, 2008 6:33 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

celebrity age conspiracy theorists are always so weird to me. I mean, sometimes older celebs lie about their age, but when you've been famous since adolescence I think it's a little harder to fake. do you doubt that she was 16 when "No, No, No" came out, that she was actually 19 or 22 or something and had all public records of schooling and stuff altered?

― some dude, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:25 (seventeen years ago)

many quotable opinion 4 uon this thread

― H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 03:56 (thirteen years ago)

Beyonce the new Macklemore?

― LADIES ONLY PHYCHIC NIGHT (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 04:37 (thirteen years ago)

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/403247_10152811135920601_1564673140_n.jpg

― scott seward, Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:15 (thirteen years ago)