Any thoughts?
Hi everyone
The new XXX album XXXX XXXX will be out XXXX or XXXX.
I have to submit a list of people who NEED long lead review copies to theirmanagement by Monday, so that CDs can be watermarked with names and sent outin the next week or two.
I've already compiled a list of reviews eds, eds, features eds etc at allthe main mags, but if you want to be sure of being on the list please emailme and let me know which mag it's for etc...
Please bear in mind, I have to keep this limited just for now, and I'mputting 2 or 3 copies in the name of each reviews ed so that there is oneavail to go to whoever gets commissioned to review. So freelancers shouldprob get in touch with their respective reviews eds..
Also, any reviews eds out there who aren't happy to have review copies intheir own names, please let me know what names I should put.
There will be a wider mailout happening in a few more weeks time. It'sreally just for people who really, really need to hear the album asap.
Thanks
xxxx
― ac, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)
With so much concern over privacy, I would expect that the music industry is looking towards the video game industry (not that it doesn't have piracy problems- esp. in Asia, but it's much less on the whole....
I remember that one time a long time ago a (now-defunct) game magazine had a build of a game leak out to pirates and they had some pretty huge problems after that in getting product from companies, lost advertising, etc....
Also, if this starts, I think you'll find that A) no critics like it and B) there's not a fucking thing you'll be able to do about it, other than complain at the water cooler....It's totally an accepted part of doing business in my little sector of the publishing world....
― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― mei (mei), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)
As Horace alluded to, the volume of product physically mailed by the companies that use the scheme equates to trash. There's so much of it, often recipients at a publication, like a newspaper, throw a lot of it in a common pile for anyone to take home.
So if a watermarked embargoed CD is immediately pirated or taken to the pawn shop, there's no way to attribute who took it there evenif the company assigns unique watermarks to -names- on theirmailout.
In effect, it's a "tracking system" that's meaningless. Everyone with even a small amount of savvy knows it's powerless.
One supposes it might intimidate the clueless or pubs run by nincompoops.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Can't it be used to determine the source of illegal copies? So if a reviewer rips the CD and puts the MP3s up for everyone to download, they can tell who did it - and sue for damages.
So if a watermarked embargoed CD is immediately pirated or taken to the pawn shop, there's no way to attribute who took it there evenif the company assigns unique watermarks to -names- on their mailout.Doesn't matter who took it there - the name in the watermark is the person responsible/liable for it not being pirated.
(..er - that is the type of watermark we're talking about here, isn't it?)
.. Wouldn't stop analog copies however.... If anyone wanted to spend the time to do them, that is.
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)
No. Company mails flood of watermarked advance CDs to publication.Some get reviewed, often not by the people they are addressed to.Some don't get reviewed. Many wind up tossed onto a sludge pilein the middle of the room. Anyone in the building who comes bycan help themself. Others are given away by employees, some whomay not even be connected to the chain of names the record company hastried to assign to such a promotional mailing.
Temp worker, student, intern, reporter, employee in business side of operation, custodian, employee in different editorial section, etc, comes by and takes whatever they want.
Someone in this pool pirates it, gives it away, puts it in thetrash or takes it down to the pawn shop.
No reverse look-up possible using this system. Organization ontarget end of bulk promotional mailing not responsible for fate of bulk mailing product. It did not "opt in" or become signatory toany contractual term with record company. Simply being the targetof a promotional mailing in which the promotional goods are litteredwith pseudo-legalese about the promotional good being the propertyof the record company doesn't enter the publication into any bindingcontract of responsibility with the recording company.
If this were possible, companies all over America would use theunsoliciting mailing of goods to bind you to contracts with them.
Record companies have no leverage with this. A newspaper featuressection, for example, would just laugh at these types of pests.Take us off the mailing list? So do it, it's not like there's notenough other people mailing crap to us.
Very true. If you were hell-bent on distributing embargoed advancecopies, you can do just that. It easily bypasses any copy protection scheme, too. Or you can just rip the CD to MP3 and put them onsomeone else's PC hooked to the world network. The persondoesn't even have to know, if it's an always on connection.
This is trivial to do at many colleges.
So if a reviewer rips the CD and puts the MP3s up for everyone to download, they can tell who did it - and sue for damages.
No watermark is necessary to grease this under the current RIAA strategy. They industry association simply subpoenas the ISPthat houses the account of the PC allowing file-sharing of MP3s.Then they sue the account holder. And even in this, the wrongpeople can be targeted as a recent publicized case has demonstrated.
― George Smith, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)