Watermarking - is this the future of journalism?

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I'm sorry but it's not like the secret CIA file on JFK. WTF???? This really pissed me off. The band is x'ed out because it could be any band (in reality it's nu-metal crap).

Any thoughts?

Hi everyone

The new XXX album XXXX XXXX will be out XXXX or XXXX.

I have to submit a list of people who NEED long lead review copies to their
management by Monday, so that CDs can be watermarked with names and sent out
in the next week or two.

I've already compiled a list of reviews eds, eds, features eds etc at all
the main mags, but if you want to be sure of being on the list please email
me and let me know which mag it's for etc...

Please bear in mind, I have to keep this limited just for now, and I'm
putting 2 or 3 copies in the name of each reviews ed so that there is one
avail to go to whoever gets commissioned to review. So freelancers should
prob get in touch with their respective reviews eds..

Also, any reviews eds out there who aren't happy to have review copies in
their own names, please let me know what names I should put.

There will be a wider mailout happening in a few more weeks time. It's
really just for people who really, really need to hear the album asap.

Thanks

xxxx

ac, Tuesday, 23 September 2003 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

boo hoo.
as long as it's just for advance advance stuff, whatever, who cares?
but if they're doing it to intimidate underpaid freelancers against supplementing their meagre incomes at the used record shop, then booooooooo! you think I;m just overflowing with space for all your crap albums? not a chance, bluto! Or, if you don't want me to sell 'em, then send somebody 'round every two months or so to pick them the fuck up. I'm not your trashcan Universal Music! You hear me?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I work for a video game magazine, and this sort of thing has been standard practice for years. I (think) that most of the preview and review burned builds of games that we get are watermarked. I say "think" because it's so common they don't even tell us anymore.

With so much concern over privacy, I would expect that the music industry is looking towards the video game industry (not that it doesn't have piracy problems- esp. in Asia, but it's much less on the whole....

I remember that one time a long time ago a (now-defunct) game magazine had a build of a game leak out to pirates and they had some pretty huge problems after that in getting product from companies, lost advertising, etc....

Also, if this starts, I think you'll find that A) no critics like it and B) there's not a fucking thing you'll be able to do about it, other than complain at the water cooler....It's totally an accepted part of doing business in my little sector of the publishing world....

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Could someone anonymously post this, without the xxxxs?

mei (mei), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

You couldn't make digital watermarking of this nature evidence of
anything.

As Horace alluded to, the volume of product physically mailed by the companies that use the scheme equates to trash. There's so much of it, often recipients at a publication, like a newspaper, throw a lot of it in a common pile for anyone to take home.

So if a watermarked embargoed CD is immediately pirated or taken to the pawn shop, there's no way to attribute who took it there even
if the company assigns unique watermarks to -names- on their
mailout.

In effect, it's a "tracking system" that's meaningless. Everyone
with even a small amount of savvy knows it's powerless.

One supposes it might intimidate the clueless or pubs run by
nincompoops.

George Smith, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

In effect, it's a "tracking system" that's meaningless

Can't it be used to determine the source of illegal copies? So if a reviewer rips the CD and puts the MP3s up for everyone to download, they can tell who did it - and sue for damages.

So if a watermarked embargoed CD is immediately pirated or taken to the pawn shop, there's no way to attribute who took it there even
if the company assigns unique watermarks to -names- on their mailout.

Doesn't matter who took it there - the name in the watermark is the person responsible/liable for it not being pirated.

(..er - that is the type of watermark we're talking about here, isn't it?)

.. Wouldn't stop analog copies however.... If anyone wanted to spend the time to do them, that is.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't it be used to determine the source of illegal copies? So if a reviewer rips the CD and puts the MP3s up for everyone to download, they can tell who did it - and sue for damages.

No. Company mails flood of watermarked advance CDs to publication.
Some get reviewed, often not by the people they are addressed to.
Some don't get reviewed. Many wind up tossed onto a sludge pile
in the middle of the room. Anyone in the building who comes by
can help themself. Others are given away by employees, some who
may not even be connected to the chain of names the record company has
tried to assign to such a promotional mailing.

Temp worker, student, intern, reporter, employee in business side of operation, custodian, employee in different editorial section, etc, comes by and takes whatever they want.

Someone in this pool pirates it, gives it away, puts it in the
trash or takes it down to the pawn shop.

No reverse look-up possible using this system. Organization on
target end of bulk promotional mailing not responsible for fate of bulk mailing product. It did not "opt in" or become signatory to
any contractual term with record company. Simply being the target
of a promotional mailing in which the promotional goods are littered
with pseudo-legalese about the promotional good being the property
of the record company doesn't enter the publication into any binding
contract of responsibility with the recording company.

If this were possible, companies all over America would use the
unsoliciting mailing of goods to bind you to contracts with them.

Record companies have no leverage with this. A newspaper features
section, for example, would just laugh at these types of pests.
Take us off the mailing list? So do it, it's not like there's not
enough other people mailing crap to us.

.. Wouldn't stop analog copies however.... If anyone wanted to spend the time to do them, that is.

Very true. If you were hell-bent on distributing embargoed advance
copies, you can do just that. It easily bypasses any copy protection scheme, too. Or you can just rip the CD to MP3 and put them on
someone else's PC hooked to the world network. The person
doesn't even have to know, if it's an always on connection.

This is trivial to do at many colleges.

So if a reviewer rips the CD and puts the MP3s up for everyone to download, they can tell who did it - and sue for damages.

No watermark is necessary to grease this under the current
RIAA strategy. They industry association simply subpoenas the ISP
that houses the account of the PC allowing file-sharing of MP3s.
Then they sue the account holder. And even in this, the wrong
people can be targeted as a recent publicized case has demonstrated.


George Smith, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)


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