― yaeger, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)
I also assume that for anyone not wanting to invest in 5-discs that Columbia will eventually reissue the single album like they did for In A Silent Way and Bitches Brew.
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― ArfArf, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)
The thing is, they ARE remastered (I was just listening to them this morning and checked b/c the same thing had occurred to me, too). Sure, it was 1991, but the sound is decent.
If anything, they're mixed differently/worse than Dark Magus et al b/c there's a ton more hall sound in the mix. As a result, they sometimes sound like you're about 200 yards from the speakers and Miles' trumpet--so distorted and wah-ed on Live Evil and Dark Magus--is a little lost amidst all the reverb.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)
I really like the Jack Johnson box (if you wanna know how much, read my review in this month's Wire). My favorite thing about it is the Sonny Sharrock material, followed closely by the various chunks of "Go Ahead John." All the tracks that were assembled into the final mastered version (which is one of my favorite Miles pieces anyway) are heard separately, and without the speaker-switching effect that annoys so many people (not me).
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)
my favorite album from this period btw is Get Up With It.
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)
Jack Johnson was one of my very favorites. I played it constantly, but it's gotten a bit less mileage in recent years. I'm most likely getting the box, though.
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
I am drooling to hear this stuff. Supposedly it's six CDs worth of material, all live from the Cellar Door over three nights. Only two of the six discs will feature John McLaughlin.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
what other boxes are planned?i am wondering about the "seven steps to berlin" box which is going to cove the period between the two quintets. will any sam rivers material be on there? did he even do anything in the studio with miles? or is there just that one hard to find "live in tokyo(?)" cd?
sean they expect you to buy the second quintet box which doesnt have the material on the silent way box that was on Filles ;-)
― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)
>There are 6 versions of one track, 5 of another.
Well, what you're hearing isn't "alternate takes" as much as tracks which were heavily post-produced by Teo Macero, broken down into their component parts. For example, "Go Ahead John" appears in five chunks on the box, but they're not separate takes because all five were combined to make up the Big Fun version.
I will admit, though, that I could have done without all the little pieces on Disc Four (the various versions of "Sivad" and "Nem Um Talvez"). There's this incredibly ugly noise-skronk track called "The Mask" on Disc Five, though, that's amazing. Makes "Rated X" seem like Muzak, in the beginning anyway (later it settles into a groove).
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Keith Jarrett has said that the band from this period was actually better w/o McLaughlin -- that he disrupted the band's flow to an extent (a theory borne out, to some degree, by "Gemini/Double Image" on Live-Evil). He thought the McLaughlin-less group really hit its peak on a week-long date in Boston that was recorded by audience member and future Weather Report bassist, Miroslav Vitous. Even if the sound-quality isn't fantastic, I bet it would be a fascinating listen.
But hell, I'd love to hear the unedited "Sivad"...
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― yaeger, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)
I like the disruption of the band on Live-Evil. I don't think Jarrett really liked being in Miles' band very much. I know Miles antagonized him - telling other players (Michael Henderson in particular) not to follow Jarrett when he began a keyboard solo, etc. Note that after leaving Miles' employ, Jarrett abandoned the electric keyboard for good. While his contributions were occasionally interesting, I think Hancock and Corea did much better by Davis in the 70s. And I think the best stuff of all is when there's no keyboards at all (like the 1981-82 band heard on We Want Miles), and a lot of the Jack Johnson box.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)
There's another album by that band, recorded in June 1969 in Juan-Les-Pins, France, available on a few different bootleg labels. Funnily enough, the one I have (on the German Jazz Door label) is also called It's About That Time.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)
I have both of 'em. The one you're describing is Vol. 2; it's half from 1970 and half from 1971. Vol. 1 is all 1971, and I like it a little better. "Directions" is not one of my favorite pieces these days; I've been listening to tons of live boots for research, and it's on every single one of them, so I'm at the point now where if I hear that melody one more time I'm gonna tear my ears off my head.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)
Ha! But you have to admit, the moment where the tempo shifts down and DeJohnette turns into Clyde Stubblefield is fucking aces.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark Rich@rdson, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)
jfc what is going on in the "Willie Nelson [insert 2]" track
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:14 (ten years ago)
is that the stuff w/ sharrock? that stuff is nuts. think miles comes out of the haze at some point and is like "that's some nasty shit, y'all"... which must've pleased everyone involved, haha.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:18 (ten years ago)
haven't looked up who's on what - it has a bunch of atonal guitar scraping/noise combined with what sounds like some kind of analog synth but I'm not really sure tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:21 (ten years ago)
wiki sez it's McLaughlin? and no synth credit so maybe it's all pedals idk
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:26 (ten years ago)
think sharrock is doing the echoplex-y action on "willie nelson" (tho maybe not the take you're talking about). and it's probably chick corea doing the nutso organ.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:29 (ten years ago)
yeah it does sound like an echoplex
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:30 (ten years ago)
and probably mclaughlin on that wah-ed out guitar... pretty crazy stuff.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:32 (ten years ago)
yeah, it feels like the most aggro thing on here.
ha Miles mumbling at the end of some of these tracks is a treat.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:36 (ten years ago)
How is there not a Having Fun With Miles Davis In The Studio type release? Surely there's enough "Let's hear some of that, Teo" to fill an LP.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:44 (ten years ago)
plus 20 minutes of miles' finger snaps counting off tunes
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:46 (ten years ago)
love that "Willie Nelson" disc of the set so goddamn much
― sleeve, Thursday, 22 October 2015 20:52 (ten years ago)
yeah so good. disc four of this set gets a little dull, but for the most part it is a great great thing.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 20:54 (ten years ago)
I think I've asked this before but does anyone have any idea why Miles would name a song after Willie Nelson? I mean the music obviously bears no relation, it just seems like a random name to use
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 21:02 (ten years ago)
they had the same manager at the time, weirdly enough. but i think i read somewhere that miles liked willie's phrasing.
― tylerw, Thursday, 22 October 2015 21:05 (ten years ago)