Billboard Hot 100 Singles Chart - What does a song / artiste really need to do to get their song into the charts?

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Every week, without fail, I always check out the Billboard Charts and ffor the last few years or so, the charts has been really well...unpredictable. A song can take a bloody long time to climb up the chart and let's say, if this week it's one or two notch outside the TOp ten territory, that particular song, can however, jumped up to No. 1 the following week. How is that possible?

Is there money involved here?

Jefri, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Depends a lot on whether a chart is based solely on airplay, solely on sales or on a combination of both. As far as I know, the uk charts are still based on sales alone. Records debut high then fall because the radio stations play them well in advance of release date, people rush out and buy them when their released (esp. the heavily promoted boy/girl band artistes) and then they plummet from the charts coz no-ones interested anymore.

MarkH, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's all about how much payola record execs can stuff up the nose of radio execs. (I learned that from Styx: Behind the Music. And WKRP In Cincinnati.)

It really is all about money. Interscope bought airtime from a radio station (somewhere in Seattle?) to get Limp Bizkit some play. This was back in the days of $3 Dollar Bill, Y'all. I remember reading some articles about radio stations charging labels ridiculous amounts of money to get their crap played on their station. Deregulation of the radio industry was a BRILLIANT move.

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David Raposa, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The best thing I ever read on this was Frederick Dannen's "Hit Men", an expose of how "independent promoters" (many with links to organized crime) bought radio play and chart positions into the 70's and 80's. I'd love to see a similar thing written on how things work now. It's probably just like Vegas now compared to 25 yrs ago - just as crooked but less overtly sleazy.

fritz, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Strangely, I've read several stories in the past couple months about this and yeah, in the States at least, its 100% about money. I suppose it has always been this way, but in the past decade, a small handful of companies own the radio stations, concert promotions companies, and venues. Its completely corrupt and f*cked up.

I remember in college I read about how in the 30's or something movie studios would often own the theaters as well, and in a major Supreme Court action, that kind of arrangement was deemed to be a monopoly and banned. What we have now is a similar situation, if not much worse. I wonder what keeps these current monopolies from such legal action. Are they just too powerful?

Sean, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Prob w. Dannen's book — and all similar, tho his is least worst — is that he seemed completely unaware that the music on eg Casablanca was BETTER than the music made by less corrupted outlets. No sleaze, no Alan Freed, no rock'n'roll, no us.

mark s, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Heh heh heh. Quite true.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've never understood this paradox - why is 'selling out' not considered the highest manifestation of 'being a playa'? I mean, if you 'keep it real' then that certainly means you're not a 'playa' (and possibly never were), doesn't it. Or have I got everything bass- ackwards?

dave q, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
yeah. when our song is not into the chart, people feel like that our song is bad. But, sometimes chart is just chart. You dont need the chart to make you a singer. just write your song, play and let thae chart just be a chart....

wibi, Friday, 2 April 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

Where were you 2 1/2 years ago?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 April 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

ten years pass...

Album-related--closest thread I could find.

Someone I work with told me that Beck's album had gone to #1 after the Grammys--I can't see anything even close to that. But when I checked, I did notice that #38-40 right now goes Missy Elliott's Under Construction, Morning Phase, and Elliott's Miss E...So Addictive.

https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200

clemenza, Thursday, 12 February 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link

the person might have meant it went #1 on itunes after the grammys, which seems likely. (iirc the itunes charts track the top sellers since the last time it updated, which happens every few hours.)

dyl, Thursday, 12 February 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Drake is not present on the Hot 100 for the first time since his debut (5/23/09), ending a 430 week streak of continuous charting.

— chart data (@chartdata) August 15, 2017

Where were *you* in May 2009?

maura, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:24 (six years ago) link

(I was breaking up with my fiancé and moving back to the burbs, lol)

maura, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link

RIP Drake era...and hello to the Cardi B era

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link

we could do it real big, bigger than you ever done it

crüt, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

So this Cardi B song is #1. I hadn’t heard it before since it’s one of those rap songs that don’t have much international appeal.

Serious question as someone who doesn’t live in the US: why is this song at #1? Is it the lyrics? The beat? Featured in a meme? Is it just driven by her persona? I found it very generic on my first listen but I might be missing parts of the story.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link

It's #1 because radio and a streaming audience loved it immediately. It's not great but context matters: it sounds fabulous on the radio.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link

It’s somewhat fascinating to me to hear it’s so popular in the US because it’s the sort of rap song that wouldn’t cause any reaction in latinamerica. The backing track is too minimal and the hooks in the vocals are almost nonexistent if you don’t really listen to lyrics in english.

I think one of my favorite features in Spotify is being able to listen to the top 50 per country. One of the most interesting ones for me is Netherlands... they always have different music at the top compared to other countries. Right now almost every European country has Post Malone - Rockstar at the top but Netherlands. Latinamerica and Spain also don’t follow much of hip hop/rap. In Mexico about 70% of the top 50 is reggaeton...Rockstar is in the slot 28 and Cardi B isn’t in the top 50 at all but it seems like that song only has appeal in the US as even in the UK list it’s in 31 and falling.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 1 October 2017 05:45 (six years ago) link

her already extant fame here gave her a boost too

maura, Sunday, 1 October 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link

my own personal experience with "bodak yellow": heard it once on my local rap station's new music mixshow, thought the beat was annoyingly simple at first but then came around to how it's subdivided on the verses. listened again when i got home, was esp intrigued by the "i don't dance ... / i don't gotta dance ..." line, saw it was already racking up massive streams despite barely being at the bottom of the urban airplay charts, to say nothing of airplay at other formats. fast-forward to now, both rap stations in my city are playing it far more than any other song on their playlist but i have yet to hear the pop station play it once, even after midnight. naturally, all the while it's been huge on the streaming services (to my knowledge it was not the subject of any big memes or any other viral social media phenomena).

i understand that some people knew of her before this song but i certainly hadn't.

dyl, Sunday, 1 October 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link


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