alternate universe: Sammy Hagar never joined Van Halen

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Ok, Diamond Dave left, and Sammy was killed in a high speed car accident(I cant drive 55) before 1984 went Platnum.

Who could have filled Dave's slot in VH? How would it have changed the face of arena rock in the 1980's?

Momus: what would have happened if Serge Gainsbourg or Andy Warhol took daves slot? Momus bonus points: Kurt Schwitters, Alfred Jarry, Alan Turing, Paolo Soleri, or Momus himself???

Michael Taylor, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dunno about VH, but Sammy Hagar would be given posthumous Godlike status, and we'd see specially remastered CD reissues of 'Street Machine', 'Danger Zone' and 'Cruisin' and Boozin'. Night Ranger would be the Pearl Jam to Hagar's Cobain, so to speak

dave q, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Night Ranger would be the Pearl Jam to Hagar's Cobain, so to speak...

This is so freakish that I almost believe it. ;-)

Picked some no-name, I guess. Or in an example of bizarro alliances, they'd take Steve Perry.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think we all know that David Coverdale's phone would have been off the hook in that event. However, due to Dutch Eddie's All-American image, management would be forced to recommend a young upstart by the name of Jon Bon Jovi, giving us the change to hear Eddie sing the high harmonies on "Wanted Dead Or Alive", and the focus of "Why Can't This Be Love" somehow changed to a young New Jersey couple out on their own under the "big city lights" or something.

dleone, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jon Bon Jovi was already a big star by then tho

dave q, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

About as big as Sammy Hagar in 1984-85.

dleone, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Juan Atkins is asked to join because of his haunting vocals on the Cybotron releases. Techno w/ guitar becomes mainstream the industrial sounds takes over the airwaves and hairbands go underground like punk. The Detroit scene is never born, and Alan Oldham starts his own heavy metal band where he draws visuals much like those on Iron Maiden albums.

C E Dumont, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The first Montrose album is better than any of the Van Halen albums.

Kris, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, you may not believe this, but before Eddie approached SH he asked Patty Smyth from Scandal to replace DLR. "Shooting at the walls of heartache . . . bang bang! I am the Warrior!"

--J

p.s. This is true. Seriously.

Jay, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kris - re: Montrose - that's true actually.

duane, Saturday, 1 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The firs Montrose album IS great but VH's 'Women and Children First' is better. Everybody Wants Some!!!

dave q, Sunday, 2 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ten months pass...
van halen should have just gotten jim dandy mangrim to replace DLR back when,,, he cant sing worth a fuck but he could have worn all of roth's cloths.

steve breeyear, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm suddenly imagining: Van Halen -- featuring Jonathan Richman.

Nate Patrin, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris Cornell

J Blount, Tuesday, 23 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah what happened to jim dandy anyway?

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

Or in an example of bizarro alliances, they'd take Steve Perry.

This could've ruled.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

WWII WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED

ghost rider, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

five years pass...

didn't need van halen to turn in this historically epic performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a6f2b4zfgM

'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

guitar handoff >> pick slide

'glown' with the king (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:03 (thirteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

what if Mike Reno had taken over

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:42 (one year ago)

Ted Templeman's book is full of interesting revelations about the VH lineup change. You'd think, given that he'd produced VH, Montrose, and Hagar solo, that it was his idea, but he was fairly against it and goes on about how smart DLH is and Hagar didn't have the same wit or intellect despite being a better vocalist. He was trying to get Hagar to do more soulful stuff when the VH singer change went down.

some dude, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:48 (one year ago)

Sammy brought ernest vibes. Just try to imagine Dave singing “you want it straight from the heart / tell me why can’t this be love” … it would have come out tongue in cheek

calstars, Friday, 12 July 2024 01:08 (one year ago)

Sammy's def a sap but his early solo stuff was a bit more in the bawdy VH mold, i mean the guy wrote a song called "Dick In The Dirt." i suspect that Eddie was as eager as Sammy, if not more, to make some earnest "poignant" songs after Dave left the band.

some dude, Friday, 12 July 2024 03:07 (one year ago)

Patty Smyth said she doesn't regret turning down the offer to be the lead singer of VH, because then she never would have written Baby Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough

Deflatormouse, Friday, 12 July 2024 03:18 (one year ago)

yeah a lot of that direction is where EVH was heading, he already was in love with synths, even if he hadn't written something as Coca-Cola commercial as "Dreams" before.

I was too young to experience it but I feel like the blow re: Hagar was the live experience, like dude can obviously sing like a motherfucker, but given how he generally refused to do Dave-era stuff (which he sounded bad on anyway), I can't even fathom going to the 5150 tour and only getting a few classic era songs ("You Really Got Me", "Ain't Talkin' Bout Love", and "Jump" where he often let the audience sing most of it), while also having to sit through Montrose and solo Sammy shit. who wants to go see VH and hear "I Can't Drive 55"?

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 July 2024 03:18 (one year ago)

xpost

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 July 2024 03:18 (one year ago)

oh they did "Panama" too. ok...so 4 of them. has to be a bizarre experience when you're like 5 albums deep into your career and then the setlist is like the shit bands going on their first tour go together to pad the setlist

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 July 2024 03:20 (one year ago)

I am going to see Sammy and Mike do the Van hagar legacy show with Satriani and Young Bonham! Can any other ILxor say the same?

To me, even though he's often dopey (a musician being dopey is not disqualifying for me), he and Mikey come out of the VH experience smelling like a rose… unlike the other three… I now look back fondly on the Sammy material, being that as an active listener, everything before 1984 was before my time, and being around for and processing the good and truly misbegotten of the hagar era…I just can't deny it. And yeah that SH seems like a such a good hearted person ("an amiable bro in jorts," as I think an Ilxor once wrote) as opposed to the bitter and mistrustful VH Bros and Roth, who truly has never recovered from the times of him being not only the best singer/frontperson in hard rock/metal but also the most intellectually curious person in HR/HM passing him by. Sammy and Mikey are emotionally healthy and more than likely able to do justice to the material; I probably unambiguously love like 10 Van Hagar songs. Whereas, I attended the notorious Kimmel appearance involving Roth in front of the two brothers and the son, which not only involved Roth smacking himself on the nose with a katana, but was really fucking boring, the VH state fair set.

veronica moser, Friday, 12 July 2024 17:41 (one year ago)

Holy moly that tour with Bonzo jr

calstars, Friday, 12 July 2024 17:51 (one year ago)

No northeast dates : (

calstars, Friday, 12 July 2024 17:52 (one year ago)

Satriani is in a Van Hagar tribute, Vai is playing a King Crimson tribute...can Robert Fripp's AC/DC Experience be far behind?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 July 2024 17:54 (one year ago)

Guy Mann-Dude's KISS

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 July 2024 18:02 (one year ago)

is Hagar a MAGA dude?

my friend worked his show last night and said she saw what she thought was a MAGA hat on his head, but couldn't tell if it was just that or a generic red hat.

rick beato meato manifesto (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 July 2024 14:02 (one year ago)

Exhibit A, although what he's trying to get across here I'm not quite sure. Album was released in 1984, I remember he was a big Reagan fan.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71a1qNTnGxL._UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg

hooray for harold shipman (Matt #2), Monday, 15 July 2024 14:32 (one year ago)

my friend worked his show last night and said she saw what she thought was a MAGA hat on his head, but couldn't tell if it was just that or a generic red hat.

"Yeah, I love MAGA. MAGAritas!"

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 15 July 2024 14:37 (one year ago)

Well, yeah.

pplains, Monday, 15 July 2024 17:15 (one year ago)

not that anyone else on ILX will be giving a solitary shit, but I did have a real good time…

Sammy Hagar is not most people's idea of a cineaste, but images from the 1957 Bergman film were displayed above the stage during "the Seventh Seal," (very obviously Scott Walker was a bergmanite, whereas it seems more likely that Sammy overheard someone say it and he thought it sounded cool/portentous)…

that's the only song from Balance they did; 5150 and FUCK were well represented, only "Dreams" and "Love Walks In" were the notable omissions from the former; OU812 was represented only by "When It's Love," which Sammy said with a uncharacteristic lack of humility on the Stern show is "the greatest love song since "Bridge over Troubled Water"; his solo shit did not include "Three Lock Box" but did include "There's Only One Way," "Heavy Metal" "I Can't Drive 55" and "Eagles Fly": the only Montrose tune was "Space Station," and not "Bad Motorscooter" or "Rock Candy"—jesus, young Bonham is there and you're not gonna have him play one of the best faux Bonzo beats ever put down?

And they did two Roth-era cuts, and I don't think they should have done any…if it was possible to say "this Roth era song is one where Micheal Anthony's contribution is strong, he co-wrote this," then ok, sure, but I don't think you can say any such thing.

And loverboy opened… I really like Loverboy, they are the Duran Duran of corporate rock, and is it not notable that they have now and have always had the original lineup, barring bassist Scott Smith, who was lost at sea in 2000… although one could be forgiven for assuming that Mike Reno ate Smith…

veronica moser, Sunday, 28 July 2024 15:59 (one year ago)

Sounds like a good show!

calstars, Sunday, 28 July 2024 16:07 (one year ago)

I think The Seventh Seal is my favourite Van Hagar track. Reminds me of In the Evening. And not just contextually.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 28 July 2024 17:25 (one year ago)

I'm blasting it right now while the sky outside is gorgeous and blue. Sounds magnificent.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 28 July 2024 17:31 (one year ago)


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