What do 19-year-olds like?

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I've just been given an xmas list by my 19-year-old sister. The signs are bad: she's asking for The Vines and something called 'Queens of the Stone Age'. Is this normal? Shall I just get her Jay-Z anyway? She'll thank me for it in later years.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

enrique how old are you!?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't force taste on people, especially not younger siblings. you can only lead by example and trust them to develop their own blahblah feelgood whatever

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The Queens of the Stone Age are alright. Does she have the Strokes yet?

― Sonny 19 (Keiko), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Get her some CD she wants and burn her a CDR of the collected singles of the LCD Soundsystem

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm 23. When I was 19 I'd... well, I'd given up, but when I was younger I liked St Etienne and the Wu-Tang Clan. As you might guess, Price and Parkes-era Melody maker were seminal influences. Last year I got her something emo-ish, but at the time I wasn't too arsed. (It was called 'The Dream' or something.) Now I care again and her pro-Vines attitude is causing me pain.

I dunno if she has the Strokes. Can you disown siblings? Thinking out loud.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

She'll return it and get the QOTSA anyway Enrique. Cor what a rockist! Queens of the Stone Age = top fun if you sing the theme from GHOSTBUSTERS over the top.

However if she asks for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers there's nothing I can do about that.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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I know it was you...

― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I mostly remember S. Price talking about the Wu-Tang cos some joker snapper printed a picture of him dressed as a "homebwoy".

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Queens of the Stone Age = top fun if you sing the theme from GHOSTBUSTERS over the top.

that's fabulous - does this bootleg exist?!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

only works with 'The lost art of keeping a secret' of course

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

She doesn't sound like she'd like Jay-Z. Don't get her The Vines as they are shit, but get her whatever QOTSA album she's asked for.

I was 19 just over 2 years ago. I liked QOTSA then, but never The Vines.

― Nick H (Nick H), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve it does if anyone was recording a bunch of drunks in some pub by Kings X on the -crikey I can't remember what the theme to that pub crawl was!

I aint afraid of no ghost!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

19-year-olds listen to pabulum!!! Raise your standards college-age girls!!!

― Alex Inno Nycington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Fair dos. QOTSA it is (lame-ass name). She can tape my Kelis. Still, were't they part of the 'new rock revolution' ie like so over? I'm sure she used to do better than this.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I sincerely HATE it when people get a gift wish-list and IGNORE it completely only to give people what you think they "should" have. What in the fuck is that all about? If she wanted the friggin Britney or Clay Aiken album, quit being such a dictator and buy them for her.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Get her Ikara Colt or The Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster, she'll probably luv them.

Because they are great.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Swiggit means Good Charlotte, don't you?

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

One word: Trout Mask Replica

― may pang (maypang), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(n.b. do this in conjunction with the albums for which she has asked. The Vines is only £3.99 in Virgin in Croydon, though I appreciate you aren't very near there.)

Sarah - no.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahaha, the new rock revolution is "over", so you'll buy her Jay-Z?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

If she wanted the friggin Britney or Clay Aiken album, quit being such a dictator and buy them for her.

Hey, if it were Britney I wouldn't mind. If she asked for crack I wouldn't get it; so why go soft on the Vines?

(who's Clay Aiken?)

Dom -- Jay-Z still has it, just cos he's retiring. It's different.

And anyway 'Jay-Z's retirement' = sheeyah! right!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Shall I just get her Jay-Z anyway? She'll thank me for it in later years.

Yeah, she might be low on coasters.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Buy her a gift certificate to a record store that sells them.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well then she's free to buy any old shit!!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen to Aja. She's got more sense than anyone on this thread.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Swiggit. Sum 41 or Blink 182. One of those American bands with numbers.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

FRONT 242!!!

― Dan Perry no really it is (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like, "Mom, I want a baseball bat for Christmas!" "Here's a caligraphy set instead, dear. You'll thank me for it later."

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex what did you end up getting your nephew?

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i like how alex has hit such levels of self-parody he doesnt even read the rest of the thread anymore.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm 23. When I was 19 I'd... well, I'd given up,....

You make it sound like you've crossed some Rubicon of age and experience. For pete's sake, man, you're only four years older than her.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeanne, are you some kind of libertarian? It's more like

Mom, I don't want to do my homework

Mom can either say 'what you want is best', or say 'tough shit, nobody loves a loser, which is what you'll end up as if you don't get back to it'. Or: 'stop listening to the Vines'. I'm taking option three -- see, it's humane.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Listen to Aja. She's got more sense than anyone on this thread.

Thanks. And if your sister doesn't like what she bought with the gift certificate it's her wasted money.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Swiggit. Sum 41 or Blink 182. One of those American bands with numbers.

Sum 41 are Canadian.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Four years Alex but it feels like fucking centuries. I don't think I've left the house for three of 'em. There are war veterans younger than me.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

but not Civil War veterans

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I got him a slew of stuff, as I was ebullient from being sprung from jury duty. I got him a disc carrying case and a pile of CD's.

Music for a 10 yr old nephew

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Buy her the Jay-Z album, you'll double its UK sales then.

LOL2003.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard they were the same country Aja - oh no! Some of them speak a little funnier.

Enrique, that's not our fault! Cheer up goth!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i'd opt for the gift certificate.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I was exaggerating! I don't feel young though, for 23. Good Charlotte are a menace, probably single-handedly responsible for climate change, war, poverty, and fucking skater twats clogging up my town centre.

Gift certificate is a huge risk -- she might get fucking Good Charlotte. I don't want to sound harsh, but that's just a deriliction of familial duty, surely? Maybe Outkast, everybody loves Outkast.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex's thread makes me think you should get her Spongebob Squarepants on DVD but that's a whole other media format!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

or better yet, take her record shopping with you. make a date out of it. obv. you're both into music even if it's different types. focus on what you have in common and make friends with yr sib.

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 8 December 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe Outkast, everybody loves Outkast.

I don't.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

from out of the mouths of babes...

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

what about buying her what she wants and then making a compilation of things you'd like her to check out? thats usually what i do for my sister. she's 22, im 29.

― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeanne, are you some kind of libertarian? It's more like
Mom, I don't want to do my homework

My analogy was better. Get the poor girl what she wants, for chrissake. Quit being such a hardass. What the hell do you care what she listens to, anyway? It's not like she's living under your rule.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Huckleberry's is a sane post. Who doesn't like Outkast?

Jeanne -- I wasn't going to let this out so early, but my tongue survived the accident and it's firmly in my cheek. Sheesh!

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 8 December 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeez, lighten up, stop being such a snob. There are a lot worse bands for her to be into at 19 than QOTSA, and if you try to force your tastes on her she'll end up disliking both you and your music. Whereas if you get her a CD she actually wants, she'll be happy. Which is surely the point of gift giving, no?

― mog, Monday, 8 December 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

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One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Huh, Alex?

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Giving people CDs you think they'll like, especially as gifts when they're pretty much forced by social protocols to smile at you all the while wanting to break the thing into shards and stab you to death with it, is fucking horrible. I used to know some yuppie parents who'd actually brag about all the fucking Beatles songs they'd stuffed into their kids' heads while the spawn were too young to make their own musical purchases. Pure evil.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"I love the Queens of the Stone Age....and I'd rather listen to baby seal getting clubbed with a tennis racket than listen to a Jay-Z disc. "
God, yes, at last someone had to say it. My thoughts exactly. Why the hell does everyone here seem to have an anal fixation with Jay-Z?

― Cacaman Flores, Monday, 8 December 2003 20:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Why the hell does everyone here seem to have an anal fixation with Jay-Z?

He's got big lips.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Matt's just mad because he didn't have a considerate older sibling/relative who gave him albums.

My dad let me listen to his stones and CCR records, so I'm not complaining....I just think it's rude to assume that somebody your buying gift for should listen to the kind of music you like....just buy them what they want

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Why the hell does everyone here seem to have an anal fixation with Jay-Z?

"I like both kinds of music: indie and Jay-Z!"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"I like both kinds of music: indie and Jay-Z!"

You're crazy!

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"I like every kind of music—death, black and doom metal!"

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

What's doom metal?

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well at least from a few recent all ages local shows I have attended; there are quite a few that like emo, hardcore and somewhat related metal bands.

Two recent bands seemed to have fun on old music, one had some odd ball Casio remote playing the Bee Gee's "How Deep Is Your Love" as their intro music and another kept introducing each song as an ACDC hit. The average age of each band had to be in the low twentys.

― earlnash, Monday, 8 December 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

>What's doom metal?

Very slow metal with fairly simple, low guitar riffs. Think the first couple of Black Sabbath albums (Black Sabbath, Paranoid and Master Of Reality), only slower. Good starting points: Saint Vitus, Heavier Than Thou; Electric Wizard, Come My Fanatics (or anything by Electric Wizard, really).

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

He's got big lips.

Oh, sweet Jesus.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

What?

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Aja, please....you've GOT to stop with the "what?" posts.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever Alex!!!

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

*must resist Starsky and Hutch photo*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd better Ned!

― Aja (aja), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Get the girl a fuckin' QOTSA CD.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

If not QOTSA+mix, then QOTSA+ a CD that's kinda like the Vines or QOTSA. (The new Desert Sessions, maybe?)

Something to expand her horizons without the "your taste is shite" message.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

19 year old girls like Merzbox?

― Leee Trevino (Leee), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

= is that why I'm single?

― Leee Trevino (Leee), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why the hell does everyone here seem to have an anal fixation with Jay-Z?

What's anal about it? Anyway, I'll remember how to roll from now: NEVER TRY TO MAKE FUNNY ON ILM. YOU WILL BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE.

― Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Is doom metal like sludge? If so, count me in.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

q: what do 19-year-olds like?
a: boinking like bunny rabbits.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just in the waiting room at a doctor's office, reading TIME magazine. Jay-Z says he's more likely to listen to bands like Coldplay than rap. (I only read the important articles.)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yay!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I still don't like Jay-Z.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

What?

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

What?

About what?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just being a smart aleck, Aja. Ignore me!

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No. I'm the smart aleck.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

this is actually a debate?

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know?

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get caught in the crossfire, Matos.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

He can do he wants.

― Aja (aja), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

God, yes, at last someone had to say it. My thoughts exactly. Why the hell does everyone here seem to have an anal fixation with Jay-Z?
-- Cacaman Flores (cacama...), December 8th, 2003.

I lolled.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

(Great, that'll be my motto for t'night: "Want can do!")

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I would let a 19-year-old find their own way in music.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya know waht I thinks...that bastard Enrique was putting us on all along! Haha, that's cray-zeh!

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:08 (twenty-two years ago)

By age 19, it strikes me that one's basic likes and dislikes have been pretty firmly established. I think in 1986 (when I was 19), I had a pretty firm grasp on the type of things I was into. Didn't mean I couldn't enjoy new things, but my parameters had pretty much been set up, and I certainly knew what I didn't like by then.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

That's because you hadn't heard Jay-Z yet!

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahahahaha. True.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What I'm listening to now, ie. 8 years later, has practically nothing to do with what I was listening to when I was 19. Actually, I still like what I liked then, but there are countless artists and genres that I hated then and that I love now..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Aja, once again, I was just being a smart aleck!

Re: your sis: I say get the kid what she wants. QOTSA at 19 is pretty impressive, considering some of the other options out there.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 09:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I will: I was never going to get her Jay-Z anyway, she much preferes Nas.

I think this is a bit weird. I *thought* my tastes were formed back then, to the point at which I stopped reading the music press (this was 1999 and much had happened to make it not worth reading anyway).

But a year or 18 months back I started listening again, returning to hip-hop, rejecting a lot of the VU-Iggy-CBGB heritage, and not bothering with the Sixties stuff had been fond of. I think you should always keep your ears open. Just not to the Vines.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't have much to say about the generational thing, but IMO
buying gifts based solely on your taste is egotistical and
antithetical to the gift-giving spirit. That said, sure, there's
nothing wrong with trying to broaden her horizons - but maybe
you need to as well. You should give the Queens' best album
(_Songs For The Deaf__) a listen.

For one thing, it's definitely not part of new metal. It's only
a minor hit, and it's not new rock at all. and there's
only a few songs that sound
like stoner rock as we know it. It's more like psychedelic metal,
slathered with massive guitar but with smooth Macca-esque
vocals. Lots of variety, there's a couple screamers but
one song that sounds loosely based on "Spirit In The Sky"
and one that sounds almost 60s. In short, it's damn good.

You may be dubious but at the very least, she'll be into
an original and rather eccentric band, not a fatiguingly
boring one like the vines.

― squirrel police, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

Okay, so I got QOTSA, which was flipping noisy, and the first YYYs EP.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 9 February 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

Heh, you probably listened to the first track with
all screaming, said "screw this" and turned it off.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Pendulum.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 27 July 2006 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

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