Let's hate: albums of 2003 that you can't understand what the hell is so great about them

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Mogwai 'Happy Songs for Happy People'

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

All of them (except the ones I like).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

haha Ned OTM

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Let me clarify a bit. 'Albums that people are always going on about, but you don't think are anything special at all. So the mere mention of that album annoys you.'

Like that.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

dizzee rascal

playstation beats with fred durst flows

― , Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Dizzee seconded.

Drive-by Truckers.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

hate threads suck.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Dizzee definitely. The Streets, too.

And the grandaddy of 'em all: Bright Eyes

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

they're always populated by alex in nyc arguments and even more ridiculous hyperbole than the love threads.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

2/3 of yours are from '02.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

my bad, quickly forgot about the '03 part

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

or they're just lists of albums.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Worse than hate threads: hating on hate threads

― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that's clever!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

you should be a music critic, totally.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

hate thread haters suck

It's good to vent.

But I'll certainly take it personally when someone hates something I love. Hating is a hateful business.

I only started this thread, because I hate that Mogwai album.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

man, I got beat to that hate haters hate thing.

However, I have yet to notice a poster here who has a right to be self-righteous.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, where will all the hate end.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate everything is so a couple of months ago

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

just ask any new zealander

― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― damian_nz (damian_nz), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ot: dizzee thirded

― damian_nz (damian_nz), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

'I hate everything' was pretty much yesterday for me. But it wasn't really music related

The thing I hate most is spending $18 for a CD. That's the source of my most acute hate. I don't really hate any album that I didn't buy.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never spent $18 on a CD (barring import or something rare). For the first time in memory, every CD I purchased this year - too, too many - was good, thanks to file-sharing. The only duds that I purchased - Ryan Adams two new CDs and Northern State's EP were because I bought them blind.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

You've never spent $18 on a CD? How do you pull that off?

Yeah, downloading a few tracks to check them out is a good approach. Increasingly I do that as well. However, there was a time when I might buy something simply based on a review. Imagine that! Who writes those things? Oh yeah, you guys do.

I'm bitter. I wrote three emails to record companies last week complaining about copy protection on CDs. I got 0 replies.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

If something's priced more than $14-15 (single CD) at whatever record store I'm at, I'll find it at a chain store (Best Buy) or order it online for $12-13.

(Ich bin nicht reviewer/writer.)

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If something's priced more than $14-15 (single CD) at whatever record store I'm at, I'll find it at a chain store (Best Buy) or order it online for $12-13.

I'll wait two or three weeks and find a used or promo copy for half the price.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 05:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Dizzee Rascal for sure. Drive by truckers for sure. Yeah Yeah Yeahs. The Books.

― D Aziz (esquire1983), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

yo mama

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I never understood what was so great about Ryan Adams, this year or any other year. Also: the new moustache rock (Kings of Leon, My Morning Jacket, Drive-By Truckers).

― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:05 (twenty-two years ago)

With the pointed exception of "Maps," I don't see what's so great about the Yeah Yeah Yehas record, either. Sounds like a stupid, preening schtick.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds like she wants to have sex w/someone

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I like the whole thing, including "Maps." Also, knowing what they're capable of makes me appreciate the earlier eps a bit more. I didn't care for them much at first.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I just bought My Morning Jacket the other day. I really like it so far, but I can imagine it being a sinker.

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Although I don't "hate" them, I don't understand all the hype surrounding the Strokes. They've always seemed very ordinary to me and the new record didn't change a thing for me. Am I alone?

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Strokes
Outkast

sorry, not hatin' - just not feelin'

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't like it either (except for "Hunted by a Freak") but who the hell is even talking about the Mogwai album?

Also, I like Kish Kash, but I'm not crazy about it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

...and the new record didn't change a thing for me.

Due, in no small part, to the fact it's almost a carbon copy. For whatever reason, though, it's marginally better than the debut.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The new Missy isn't terrible, but it's definitely a big letdown. Her weakest since Da Real World.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Is anyone calling this Missy's best album?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha I mean other than maybe Pitchfork.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:20 (twenty-two years ago)

tired misogyny/racism comment

― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

(.. to the thread. not pitchfork. oh nevermind.)

― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

so, uh, the Unicorns are awful. probably.

― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Should the new Liars qualify for my 2003 best-of?

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"The new Missy isn't terrible, but it's definitely a big letdown. Her weakest since Da Real World."

Everyone says this but I've yet to see anyone (except Simon Reynolds) explain why or how Da Real World is weak!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Libertines (if that counts)
m83 (good, occaionally very good, but c'mon)

― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hate" is a strong word, but I second the Libertines vote.

― John Fredland (jfredland), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It takes more than just a bad album to make me actually *hate* someone. Right now, only those pedophiles over at Fountains of Wayne seem worthy of any meaningful dislike.

― dlp9001, Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

who said anything about hating people?

― Debito (Debito), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

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Btw, I don't think of Alex in NYC as being a big music-hater in the least.

Thank you, Sean.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

alex you still haven't answered how a giant, broken bell can ring hollow.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Poetic license.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll say!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think of Alex in NYC as being a big music-hater in the least

I agree

― Debito (Debito), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Most worrying trend is critics jumping on the I-love-pop bandwagon, citing music like Justin Timberlake, Kylie, Sugababes, Kelis, or whatever, as groundbreaking. It's not.

who the fuck says that justin is groundbreaking? i haven't seen that anywhere. he just made a hell of a record, that's it.

oh, and as for shit that i just don't get:
the neptunes seconded. soooooo average.

the electric six is a pretty charming studio band, though. live, on the other hand, they suck schlong big time.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Kylie album was terribly disappointing.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Dizee, Manitoba, Four Tet. Not hating, but, you know, ...

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

is the Kylie album getting good reviews, though?

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Even Bob Stanley likes the Kylie but it US half-rub, also the Goldfrapp album is ruthlessly mathematical in its "50%-great-50%-not"-ness. Outkast is really patchy (both bits). Dizzee is very good but I can't really imagine ever feeling eager to hear it again. Dammit.

― Alex in Leeds (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

When I say US I really mean IS

― Alex in Leeds (Alex in Doncaster), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, shit.

― the united states (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate - I see your Electric Sux and raise you one WANK TANK.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I found Marcello's review of Clones where he essentially suggested that most of the stuff on there set the standard for modern pop music to be really baffling - where are the tunes then? But then, I frequently get the impression that Marcello decides whether to like or hate an album before he listens to it. (still got love for you though!)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Villalobos' Alcachofa album seems to be getting props from various corners but is hard work when not used as a dj tool. Tracks are long and drawn out and doesn't make for a great listen when put end to end. That said, when placed within a mix (see Easy Lee on Mayer's Fabric mix or What you say... on Dan Bell's Logistics mix) they make a lot more sense

― Angus Macdonald (Gutta_Funk), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The Kylie album reviews were generally positive MM - 'mmm adult sophisticated pop, plus shes a national treasure'.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracks are long and drawn out and doesn't make for a great listen when put end to end.

The fact that he liberally samples Pink Floyd's "Fearless" on the new Bruchstuecke comp indicates where his head is at, I think. He's never in a hurry.

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Luomo - The Present Lover

Steps back and ducks.

― stevo (stevo), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The. Mars. Sodding. Volta.

And 50. Cocking. Cent.

― Shangri-La (Shangri-La), Saturday, 13 December 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I heartily agree on both of those.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't like 50 cent???

did you buy the album Alex yeah?

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 13 December 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't like 50 cent???

Neither do I! (Neither does Chuck Eddy much -- we both agree he's astoundingly overrated when it comes to his vocals in particular, it's what turned me off him when I first heard him.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 December 2003 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I just found the idea of Alex buying the 50 Cent album far fetched!

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

That Luomo left me so cold. Thought Dizzee was just alright-to-good, ditto B Jaxx and The Rapture.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

did you buy the album Alex yeah?

Do I need to buy the album? If I wanted to hear it, all I have to do is go outside. It's everywhere!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Sleepy Jackson

2. The Darkness has been mentioned a bunch but I just downloaded that single of theirs and it's pretty lackluster in all respects. A tired-as-hell joke that isn't even executed through a catchy medium. BOR-ING.

3. Does "Losing My Edge" count?

― adam michel (adam michel), Saturday, 13 December 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

and...
i don't think ive heard any 2003 slbums.

-- kephm (keph...), December 9th, 2003.

this is so great.

― adam michel (adam michel), Saturday, 13 December 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the lost in translation soundtrack, i think everyone is hearing what they want to hear in those new, boring kevin shields songs. 12 years and this is all he has? that was my reaction. maybe i expected the earth to shatter.

― keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Electric Six

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

r bloody kelly

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nick otm about Luomo, I downloaded it after everyone here raved about it and it's pleasant but unspectacular. It's good to put on when you have to concentrate on work or something.

I don't understand why the k-rub "Ignition" got all the love instead of "Snake" when clearly "Snake" is genius.

I haven't heard the Fiddy album but I heart "In Da Club" and his Lil' Kim collab but hate "21 Questions" and "PIMP"... which are more rpresentative?

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

(DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE NED RAGGETT) i expected nothing from those kevin shields songs and that's what i got. so i wasn't dissapointed. i thought it was kind of a dirty trick to include a MBV song on the soundtrack too. it takes suffering by comparison to new heights.

― scott seward, Sunday, 14 December 2003 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"dear catastrophe waitress"
too many steps in too many wrong directions

― adam michel (adam michel), Sunday, 14 December 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Luomo, I downloaded it after everyone here raved about it and it's pleasant but unspectacular. It's good to put on when you have to concentrate on work or something.

you put on luomo to 'concentrate on work'?! it's like the most distracting music ever! that's like saying 'yeah making out is good when you have to concentrate on work or something'

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 14 December 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That Luomo left me so cold.

Oooh... but it leaves me so warm! And fuzzy! And a little sad.

So much for you and I being the same person, Nick.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 14 December 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate all the albums you like, except for the ones I like too, and I like them for better reasons than you.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 14 December 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE NED RAGGETT

While I did enjoy what I've heard from that soundtrack, fret not, I didn't think it was the second coming.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 December 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

50 Cent was boring in this an excllent year for rap music.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Contradictory as it may seem, I think playing the Luomo album in the background is a good way to get into it. Especially if, like me, you were initally put off by all the processed vocals and surface sheen. Only after hearing it from another room while washing dishes, whatever, did the underlying rhythms really pull me in. I'm still not sold on some of the vocals, but I dig it a little more with each spin.

― Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

update: at least one of the hip-hop stations has discovered "hey ya" (the clear channel one...)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

white stripes, strokes, kings of leon, evan dando, coral, the distillers, funeral of a friend, sleepy jackson, jet, blur, cooper temple clause, darkness, the thrills, starsailor

what do all these have in common apart from being top of my 2003 shitlist?

A: they all made the NME Top 50 albums of 2003

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Four Tet, The Rapture, Colder. Nope, sorry, not feeling it.

― mike td, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wrens Meadowlands seems to be this year's Yankee Hotel journeyman posterboy of choice. Guess what? It's very dull.

― Curt (cgould), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Postal Service. This was the worst and most embarassing record I've heard in recent memory. The lyrics are AWFUL, particularly that duet with Jen Wood; the beats are fucking lame, the tunes stupid. The best song (Such Great Heights) stole it's melody from a vastly superior Bright Eyes song. I hate this record! Destroy all copies immediately please!

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree about the Postal Service. Indie/emo kids have such low expectations these days, they really do.

I also agree that 50 Cent pretty much sucks.

Also: I wasn't impressed by the Luomo record either. I thought it was just kinda boring. Maybe I should try it again, I don't know.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the thing with postal service is there is figurine(well there is dntel too but they are best forgotten) who are miles better and yet are mostly ignored. it's loking like it is the other two in figurine who keep them from stinking.

― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Lightning Bolt - Wonderful Rainbow

― Matt Golden (goldmatt), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 04:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The Electric Sux

Actually, I didn't mind the album, which was a bit of a surprise, since I thought "Danger! High Voltage!" was really overrated!!!!!!

I found Marcello's review of Clones where he essentially suggested that most of the stuff on there set the standard for modern pop music to be really baffling - where are the tunes then?

Errr... I think you've just proved Marcello's point for him!!!!! (And if that doesn't make sense- you've just proved him right again!!!!)

(Puts another tick in the "B-b-but, it's NOT music!!!!" column.)

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Laptop corny indie fuXorz Manitoba and Four Tet, and even the new Medicine album, which I really really wanted to love..

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Friday, 19 December 2003 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The. Mars. Sodding. Volta.

Agreed. I don't believe I've heard an album more deserving of a kick in its nuts all year...and I'm including Heavier Things, even.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

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