Death Metal/Grindcore Book Discography

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Hey,

I've written a book called "Choosing Death: The Improbable History of Death Metal & Grindcore," which will be published in September 2004 by Feral House Books.

I’m adding a selected discography section to wrap things up. Turns out it’s not as easy to assemble as I anticipated so I’m differing to you fine folks for some thoughts.

Go to http://www.choosingdeath.com/disco to view a solid draft of the discography. Then please throw any suggestions you might have my way.

Thanks,
Albert


albert mudrian (clarkedarkness), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i would say Gorguts-From Wisdom To Hate and Cephalic Carnage-Lucid Interval, but that's only cuz i have been listening to them a lot lately. good luck, albert.i'll be looking for the book. you should get lots of long lists on this thread from the resident deathheadz.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Experts on Death Metal on ILM include Siegbran and Phil Freeman ! they should be able to help you out.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also check:
Terrorizer - Lists
http://www.rocklist.net/terroris.htm

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's a few things, a lot of which are from the last 2-3 years.

Opeth – Deliverance (Music For Nations)
Amon Amarth – Versus The World (Metal Blade)
Bloodbath – Resurrection Through Carnage (Century Media)
Origin – Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas (Relapse)
Yakuza – Way Of The Dead (Century Media)
Origin – Origin (Relapse)
Vader – Revelation (Metal Blade)
Destruction – The Anti-Christ (Nuclear Blast)
Destruction – Metal Discharge (Nuclear Blast)
Pestilence – Testimony Of The Ancients (Roadrunner)
Children Of Bodom – Hate Crew Deathroll (Century Media)
Krisiun – Works Of Carnage (Century Media)
Fleurety – Something Something (Candlelight)
Ved Buens Ende – Something Something (Candlelight)
The Black Dahlia Murder – Unhallowed (Metal Blade)
Lamb Of God – As The Palaces Burn (Prosthetic)
Grave – Back From The Grave (Century Media)
Vital Remains – Dechristianize (Century Media)
Fear Factory – Concrete (Roadrunner)
Mortician – EVERYTHING
Cannibal Corpse - EVERYTHING

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the 2003 reissue of master's _unreleased 1985 album_ is an important part of the puzzle, i'd reckon. it was originally tape-traded around in the 80s and was supposedly pretty influential (it sounds like repulsion with an even more disgusting production and ridiculous over-effected vocals).

also, off the top of my head, CIRCLE OF DEAD CHILDREN.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

phil's list is keen! some big faves of mine on there.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

and the retro-death of bloodbath is tops if old-school swedish sounds float your boat.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Good lists, but where's Carnage "Dark Recollections" and Brutalitiy's "When the Sky Turns Black"?

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

and where all the grindcore at? assuck? agathocles? fear of god? or are you using 'grindcore' in the 'metal bands who were influenced by napalm death/carcass/etc.' sense?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

as much as i love Heartwork does it really belong on a discography of great death/grind? just asking.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't consider Godflesh to be death/grindcore, but a lot of people do, so maybe you should add some of their albums on there?

Also, where the fuck is Jane Doe? Converge may not be very traditionally death or grind, but they've fucking amazing.

You'd also better add 'Monuments To Thieves' by His Hero Is Gone before I smack you.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for all the feedback - I really appreciate all of it. I especially like the Master idea.

No Carnage "Dark Recollections" because it's not very good and it was a carbon copy of Nihilist /Entombed. Brutality’s "When the Sky Turns Black" is forgettable Morrisound, Scott Burns cookie-cutter dm.

Old school grind bands like Fear of God, ENT, Siege and Heresy are all part of the disco. Agathocles could all be added, as they were influential and good. Assuck were neither.

Carcass was still a death metal band circa “Heartwork,” in my opinion (plenty of brutal riffs and a number of blast sections). It’s only with “Swansong” that they fell of the wagon.

Godflesh is not grindcore. There are no blast beats, which is an essential element of grind. Also, both His Hero Is Gone and Converge (along with Dillinger) defy blanket categorization so they don't make the list. So no reason to smack me.

albert mudrian (clarkedarkness), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Poo.

I didn't think Godflesh sounded anything like grindcore, but everything I read about them keeps telling me they are. They sound more like The God Machine or My Bloody Valentine to me. Meh.

Also, don't talk to me about Dillinger. Shitty shitty shitty band.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)


"Also, don't talk to me about Dillinger. Shitty shitty shitty band."

dillinger escape plan? what, not enough hair for you?

"...as they were influential and good. Assuck were neither."

hmm. sounds like a history of grindcore apart from what i've experienced. i guess that's expected.

the locust might be worth throwing on the discography somewhere.
m.

msp, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Albert! finally! one of us! one of us!

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"dillinger escape plan? what, not enough hair for you?"

Hair? Hehe, no. They sound "wanky" to me - that is, technical for technicality's sake. Gimme Botch or Converge over those bastards any day.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)


"technical for technicality's sake"

ahh... i can respect that. i really like "43% burnt"... i think that's their One Perfect Track TM... but yeah, the rest is sort of here or there. (OPT's justify even a mediocre band's existence. see: Taco "Puttin on the Ritz")

i've got the mp3s of their bbc live session and they covered billy idol and it was awful. it was the most bland, powerless powerpunk imaginable... which was weird coming from such a technical band.

m.

msp, Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

If you search the old usenet archives, you might find the old Death Metal list and Grindcore list - attempts at complete discographies of all DM/GC bands that released at least one album. But some suggestions from the top of my head, particularly for the 80s section:

Possessed "Seven Churches" (the first! the legendary! - might include the demos as well too)
Death Strike (another formative one, 1985 if I'm correct?)
Hellhammer (the three demos and "Apocalyptic Raids" - as proto-DM)
Grotesque
Asphyx
the first two At The Gates records
the early Bolt Thrower albums
Dead Horse
the first two Pestilence records
the Thanatos debut
the first two Therion records
VON - Satanic Blood (indispensable!)
Rigor Mortis
Massacra
Massacre
Nuclear Death
Deceased
Sarcofago/Sepultura/Vulcano/all the other bands on Cogumelo
CSSO and all the other Japanese grindcore
Acheron
Blasphemy & Beherit (VERY influential!)

your discography seems to focus heavily on the big labels Roadrunner/Earache/Nuclear Blast/Century Media/Relapse.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

You also need some Demilich and Human Remains.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Death Strike (another formative one, 1985 if I'm correct?)

yeah, another speckmann thing - i'm not exactly clear on it, but i believe it went master->deathstrike->funeral bitch->abomination...

(siegbran, as usual, otm, especially nuclear death who i can't believe i forgot)

also - pentagram from chile... old lady drivers... might just want to go through the thankslist on napalm death's _scum_ and follow on from there.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm about ready to hurt people for not listing Repulsion anywhere here.

Well, maybe not. But c'mon!

-Alan

Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

repulsion is on the original list - under 1989.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, that list at the top of the thread is looking pretty good. I'm glad he listed Nile, because they're from the city I live in, Greenville, SC.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh and one comp that really should be in there: "Far East Gate In Inferno", which neatly sums up the Japanese scene (Sabbat/etc). And the Septic Flesh debut, Necrophagia, Sadistik Exekution "The Magus" (1986), Winter "Into Darkness" (1990)...

BTW here is the Deathgrind list. Rather incomplete and mostly abandoned, but up to circa 1993 (which is the only stuff that anyone should really care about anyway) it is pretty helpful.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 11 December 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, the very first band on that deathgrind list is my friend Liz's band 13. now i'm feeling all nostalgic.she's still plugging away in one of those southern lord doom bands.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

sourvein. they're pretty good. i wish the apocryphal 13 album would've been released.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i have yet to hear sourvein. we were good friends in high school and i turned her on to a lot of great music so i take all credit. :)

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i still have the 13 demo but i haven't listened to it in years. the singer was fierce. i wonder what happened to her?

scott seward, Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Where are the last two Morbid Angel and Deicide albums???

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Where is Napalm Death - Enemy Of The Music Business?

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Enemy Of The Music Business is on there, but I'm not sure it should be. Fear, Emptiness, Despair and Diatribes and Inside The Torn Apart and especially Words From The Exit Wound are all much better than Enemy. All of those should be included, for sure.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, I think Fear, Emptiness, Despair is the absolute low point in their career. It's so intensely boring, not a single memorable riff, the band sounds like it's on sedatives.

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 12 December 2003 10:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Fear, Emptiness, Despair but I don't think its their best album. I like the last two the best cause they went back to the style of their early records but the band sounds so much tighter and heavier. Enemy is my favorite but Order of The Leech sounds like its about to explode its so heavy. Thats what Fear, Emptiness, Despair was like when it came out - but that was 8 years ago.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

There are loads of suggestions in SOUND OF THE BEAST. I would also consider everything on that Siegbran list above very seriously, and flush out the mid-1990s with Defecation, FxUxCxTx, Anal Cunt, SxOxBx, Kataklysm, and Impaled Nazarene. See you on the lecture circuit,

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 13 December 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Dropdead on the list? (too lazy to check.)

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Impetigo, Hemdale, Exit-13 and Pungent Stench

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 13 December 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah yes - Pungent Stench!

"F,E,D" was such a huge disappointment after "Utopia Banished" - which wasn't a complete classic but at least rocked like hell. I really gave up on the band by then, and nothing I've heard from the later albums has convinced me to reconsider, sadly.

And: Paradise Lost Lost Paradise (1990)

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 15 December 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

Oh wow, I've been looking for this book this week and couldn't find it locally. Look it up on here, and dude himself started the thread! Neat.

roxymuzak, Monday, 6 August 2007 02:35 (eighteen years ago)

Someone stole this book from the local Borders this weekend.

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 02:55 (eighteen years ago)

Well, hopefully I made up for it by buying one in Seattle while hanging out with a few ILX denizens. And I got much, much more out of it than 'Lords of Chaos.'

chris.steffen, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 05:13 (eighteen years ago)

A new and definitive Black Metal grimoire seems overdue.

Soukesian, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 08:05 (eighteen years ago)

There has never been a definitive book about Black Metal, IMO.

PS -- I hopefully have made up for it as well by ordering another one.

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, that's what I mean. 'Lords of Chaos' seems to be generally despised. Isn't it about time someone did it properly?

Soukesian, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe I will.

roxymuzak, Thursday, 16 August 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

Totally, dude. I'm sure there's a whole bunch of guys sitting out there in the fijords in their corpsepaint, staring middle age in the face, who'd really like nothing better than a sympathetic ear and a chance to set the record straight.

Soukesian, Thursday, 16 August 2007 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

there is no record that can told to mortals. only those who grasping the true meannings of the darkness can understand.

Vas Djifrens, Thursday, 16 August 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)

Vas - of course! You're the man - the book will be printed on goatskin, and only available to immortals.

Soukesian, Thursday, 16 August 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

No! it shall be printed on the hides of Cradle of Babies and other such christianized weakling band who make mockery of the scene. for black metal is not an entertainment. it is a lifestyle and a way of death. a nation of wolves who will tear your throat and scatter in the wilderness

Vas Djifrens, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

if lucky you might find a freshly steaming pile of scat left behind but by time you stoop to smel it you wold be dead.

Vas Djifrens, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

Great to hear you're on the case, Vas!

Soukesian, Friday, 17 August 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

Pig Destroyer should be somewhere in that book, no?

Ivan, Friday, 17 August 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

And this is probably as good a thread to ask this question, but someone recommend me an album/band that sounds like "Song #6" off of Anal Cunt's Morbid Florist. I love that song with all my heart <333.

Ivan, Friday, 17 August 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

Pig Destroyer are good, yes.

roxymuzak, Monday, 20 August 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)


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