TS: Immer vs Fabric 13

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Just curious what the consensus is.

Fabric 13 is way more pop, Immer has more cohesion and is definitely more 'microhouse' fwtw.

I prefer Fabric by a mile, it's the first time 'big room' music has sounded good in ages. It's populist dance, but non-obvious populist dance and is far ahead of any other mix this year because of that.

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

what is non-populist dance?

― disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Psychic TV

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Like Immer, right, you hear that and you imagine it playing in a small room to about 200 techno nerds, 'kay? But Fabric 13 you see 2,000 people in some monsterclub all waving their hands around, get me?

So Dave Pearce=populist dance, Rephlex=non-populist dance. 'S sorta obvious, no?

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

People dance to Rephlex records?!?! (Excepting Soundmurderer who I fuck'n hope people dance to!)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

surely you jest alex...

― disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i;m referring to your first post

― disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sort of.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

'S sorta obvious, no?

i disagree, but i like them both and refuse to take sides so anyway...

― disco stu (disco stu), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i know this is off-topic, but how come no one ever talks about m. mayer's kompakt koln mix on neuton? great stuff if you ask me.

― arjun (arjun), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

christ i think mayer's a god and even i'm getting a little bored of the 9000 mayer/kompakt threads we have.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Infidel...

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 11 December 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"i know this is off-topic, but how come no one ever talks about m. mayer's kompakt koln mix on neuton? great stuff if you ask me."

Um, because it's impossible to find?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Strangely it's the only one I ever see here in SF. I've never seen Immer or Speicher for sale.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

are we talking about the mix with the herbert track on it? it's okay...

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I like it. It gets really good towards the end. I got it for $4 though which perhaps made me feel especially warm towards it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i am finding it harder and harder to go backwards in time towards the old dub-tech-house standard. too abstract and steely for me.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

that said, the maurizio record sounded particularly lovely last night.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Immer and Fabric 13 are about the same quality - ie. fucking excellent. I still think the ultimate Mayer mix would take in the best qualities of both those two and the Peel Sessions mix. If there's anything missing on Fabric 13 it's the total psych-out moments like "Unter Null".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

immer is great, fabric is decent, mayer is a dj not a god.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU ARE SHATTERING MY WORLD.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what am i to do with this bronze idol now?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Throw me the idol and I'll throw you the whip!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

alex i kiss you.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Idol first. Then kiss.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, immer is better.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:31 (twenty-two years ago)

http://extratv.warnerbros.com/images/02/06/19simon_200.jpg

you win this round, dr. jones.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i should be a music journalist, yeah totally.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a real shortage of them out there right now! It's YOUR time! GO FOR IT!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you think? where do i sign up?

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks - i just filled in the application - i start tomorrow and ny first job is to compare and contrast the M Mayer mixes.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i am finding it harder and harder to go backwards in time towards the old dub-tech-house standard. too abstract and steely for me.

Rx: Burger/Ink - 'Las Vegas'

― Clarke B., Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Or are you talking about Kompakt-related stuff specifically?

― Clarke B., Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, thats a great album. 5 or 6 years ago, was it? i really wonder why people go on and on about this Mayer stuff. It's good but no more really.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ha clarke i just bought that yesterday!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa! I hope you enjoy it as much as I do...

― Clarke B., Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

las vegas is fucking brilliant.
i still havent heard the fabric mix. i will banish myself promptly.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Las Vegas the one that Matador released?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

jed: OTM

surely people aren't banding on about las vegas now? or even back then? its was goog but good doesn't cut it in the vast, incomprehensible deluge of pleasing electronic music since then?

― bakhtin, Thursday, 11 December 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

oh you got me wrong then - i think that Burger/ink cuts it - i love that record (i think, i must listen to it again and see!). Im just saying that the Mayer Mixes are good but i dont understand what all the fuss is about.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 11 December 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"Twelve Miles High" never fails to get me all tingly.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 11 December 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

some nice Mayer stuff on the following site - go to archives

http://www.paxahau.com/node.htm

― Angus Macdonald (Gutta_Funk), Thursday, 11 December 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

To address Mr. Finney's triumvirate desire (although I have yet to hear the Peel Sessions mix [damn Apple! no SoulSeek!] and can't speak to its nature):

Have you listened to the above streams at Paxahau? I found them to be a solid mix of Immer and Fabric 13 elements - although perhaps not as single-minded in purpose as either (the former melancholy, the latter pop-like).

PS, I know I mentioned this on another thread, but alas no, I do not work for Paxahau - anyway - one may purchase CD-R's of said gigs via its Web site. If I had a salaried job to speak of I'd own them already.

― nader (nader), Thursday, 11 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I accept Fabric 13 is accessible but if you think it's really genuinely populist I suggest you have not been listening to much populist dance music in recent years.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

PPS, I'm still a bigger fan of Immer, but that may only be a result of longer held allegiance. I'd love to revisit this thread six months from now when Fabric 13's had more time to sink in.

PPSS, Regarding the "fuss" about Mayer: OK, so he's not Jeff Mills, but I'm fairly certain most of us are happy he isn't. To me, Mayer's about incredible selection and some risk-taking, not so much technique (his segues can be abrupt on occasion). The mixes in question feel personal, like the best alternate reality mixtape your best friend ever made you.

Or, to put it another way, it ultimately comes down to the dearth of microhouse mix CDs much less weekly club nights and Mayer's discs fill a void anyone living outside Koeln/Detroit must feel.

― nader (nader), Thursday, 11 December 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

you've not been to detroit then

― bakhtin, Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

At least on a night when there wasn't some kind of Kompakt, Perlon or Untitled event?

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"Or, to put it another way, it ultimately comes down to the dearth of microhouse mix CDs much less weekly club nights and Mayer's discs fill a void anyone living outside Koeln/Detroit must feel."

I think this is OTM: in terms of a "canon" of microhouse mix-cds we're really talking Immer and Let's All Make Mistakes in the upper rung and then there's precious few notable non-label-specific mixes (Tobias Thomas, Dan Bell, Ricardo Villalobos... what else is there actually?)

Plus I think that Mayer's occasional abruptness in mixing is more than made up for by some really startling and affecting transitions between certain tracks.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

so what is the next one Mr. Finney?

I have daniel bell (love it) tobias thomas (ditto), can't find Villalobos, Triple R is great too and really dig fabric 13 although i have had to put it away for a bit so i dont kill myself with it.

Has anyone here heard Broker/Dealer, they recently put out an album on Asophodal that I find lovely.

I would appreciate any feedback if anyone else has heard it.

― hector (hector), Friday, 12 December 2003 02:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops forgot the Triple R one!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 12 December 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Luciano needs to come out with an album, although there is a mix of his available at betalounge that is pretty cool

― hector (hector), Friday, 12 December 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I picked up Broker/Dealer's Intial Public Offering a few months back solely on the merit of "Boots and Pants" (their standout, and one of my favorite tracks, on Triple R's Friends).

Intial Public Offering's on the softer, as Hector put it, "lovely" side of microhouse (imagine a less bangin' from MRI) - several of Broker/Dealer's album tracks would also find a comfortable home inside a mix similar to Friends.

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

tim you forgot hypercity!!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

that should have read: "...(imagine a less bangin' rhythmogenesis from MRI)"

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

whoops haha i forgot the "non-label specific" part.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe tim, like me, lost his copy of hypercity, but lucky me i still have the jewel case!

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"non-label specific" also eliminates Poker Flat's volumetwo from the running.

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

and bis neun and superlongevity and and and...

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

is it time we chart "non-label specific" vs. "label specific" for the kids playing along at home?

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Luciano needs to come out with an album

He just signed with Peacefrog (go figure)

― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"non-label specific" vs. "label specific" ...'mircrowhatever' mixes, that is.

My mind is extra-mushy today.

― nader (nader), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Peacefrog?

Whaaaa?

I guess if it comes out in the end OK that is what counts.

― hector (hector), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

em, peacefrog?

Moodyman, Theo Parrish, Stasis, Charles Webster, David Alvarado.... there was House before Microhouse you know!

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

and Moodyman and Parrish at least, are major influences on the microhouse sound, jeez.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

did you hear the last Moodyman album?

Not as great as the reviews implied, and yes I know it has released good stuff, becasue I have bought their stuff since 95 or so but not much in the same vein as Luciano.

Although he does have a very melodic streak.

― hector (hector), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

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