in your listening lifetime: what have you missed?

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or ignored, or whatever...seminal tunes/movements?

and do you care?

and have you tried to catch up?

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)

i missed grunge. i heard nevermind for the first time this year.

i remember at the time i was too busy dancing. and when that tune was top of (local radio stations) jjj's top 100 for the year me'n'a fellow club/rave head going "what? it won't last..."

and i don't really care.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I've given most things a go but I ignored grunge.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

you both didn't miss much.

― scott seward, Friday, 12 December 2003 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Grunge (mostly Nirvana and Soundgarden) was my formative music listening years (I'm only 21), but I wish I had payed more attention to older rap/hip-hop. But alas, young adolescents can be horrible rockists.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed UK garage.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been studiously ignoring the D'n'B revival too though even though Jess likes it and is (usually) right.

I totally swallowed that stupid 'rap has got shite after G-Funk' mid-90s UK press line and I really regret that, I missed out on 93-98 hip-hop, it's fun to play catch-up but it would have livened things up at the time too.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

my grunge: miss this please was compounded a couple of years later when i landed in the US on the very day he topped hisself.
i visited a friend in san diego - who was on a bit of a schizo stroll due to smack/crack use - and wherever we drove "all apologies" would come on the radio a thousand times and he's turn to me and yell, spittle flying, "i wish i was like you, eeeeaaasily amused".
then he'd nod and i'd have to jog him hard cos he was driving.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i missed uk garage too = i am an idiot

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

UK garage, electroclash and microhouse. The latter is the one thing I have a regret of not keeping up with bcz I liked the 'early' stuff and then I just went off somewhere else.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I've tried listening to the Smiths twice. The first time,
I was immediately turned off by the vocals. Then I read
some of their lyrics and was very impressed, so I had to
give them a second try - after all, I love most Smiths-influenced
bands, I've got to like them -

WRONG. The second time I investigated these dudes I realized
that the music was quite excellent but I could never come
to enjoy the vocals.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

o yeah, i should've asked why you ignored/missed it too.

i missed that period of rap as well Tico, but for different reasons than yours.

i find playing catch up a bit of a chore.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I appear to have missed any musical development in the last two years. It's probably my age saying this but I really don't care either.

― Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed dance music, only got into it about 4 years ago. Now I am getting out of it cos the vast majority of it sounds like Music For Parents. i.e. Too Many DJs = The Beautiful South. I have also missed new metal and elctroclash, neither of which I am particularly bothered about. Oh, and Pop Music too, missed all of that.

The only thing I'm trying to catch up with is the good bits of IDM/braindance etc.

― neil simpson (neil simpson), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i missed indie :D

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Too Many DJs = The Beautiful South

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I've missed most of "dance," and I'm sure there have to be some tiny corners of it I would like, but I am not interested enough to sort through the vast majority of it which doesn't appeal to me.

It would have been nice to have discovered salsa in the late 70's/early 80's, but there wasn't much chance for me to be exposed to it then, and besides, what little I was exposed to didn't click with me. I'm not sure it was truly possible for me to have gotten into it then.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Prince for the most part, lots of UKG and grime/8-Bar, Girls On Top mashups, microhouse.

― Barima (Barima), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess in a general way I wish I had more experience with going to clubs to hear serious deejaying, because I don't feel that I know enough to make judgments about it (though that's a funny motivation for wanting to hear it). I think the whole mixing thing is pretty interesting: I just don't like a lot of the material that's used.

This is not someting that can't be corrected at some point, though, if I care.

But overall, to a frightening degree maybe, I don't feel that I have missed much, except for what I've missed by just not being able to appreciate it (but that's led to intetionally avoidance). I missed hip-hop, "dance music," metal, and indie rock in the 90's, but not by accident.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think there's anything i didn't miss (aside from electroclash and the garage rock revival)

― Felcher (Felcher), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

What I'm worried about are the things I've missed that I don't even have any clue I've missed.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed whatever's happening right now, because I think I don't really, y'know, blah!

― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Booty bass! And yes, I think I care.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I would like to have seen the Butthole Surfers earlier than I did for the first time (something like 1990).

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

depeche mode, joy division and new order, jam bands.

― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a band in Philadelphia called E Tribe, kind of a mix of live instruments and a deejay kind of thing. When I finally saw them, I really enjoyed it, but they broke up shortly after that. Or I became a hermit.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Now I keep thinking of things I missed. One area I'm very curious about is all the Jpop and Japanese underground rock from the last decade or so. Being exposed to more of that in the early 90's might have kept me closer to home musically, but I'm not sure that would have been a good thing.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Things/bands/albums/movements I have missed out on/never heard, and don't give a fuck about:

Napster
Loveless
Emo (all of it, all the way back to Rites Of Spring)
the Grateful Dead (I've heard approx. 10 minutes of the Dead, total, spread out in 10- to 15-second increments over the last 32 years of my life)
Mashups/bootlegs

I have also never seen U2 or Brooooooooce! live, and don't care.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Beck and Radiohead. Bruce Springsteen save for Nebraska.

― may pang (maypang), Friday, 12 December 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed dance, and not dance inspired music, or dance related like IDM or just plain DJs or things or that nature. And I guess I always did like funk, which is technically dance music, but I guess I'm talking about dance music from 80s on.

Personally, don't think I missed much, because I don't like dancing, and places that have it make me uncomfortable. Unless it's really in your face weird dancing, then I'm usually comfortable.

― David Allen, Friday, 12 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i stopped listening to hip-hop for about two years (early 95-early 97) but frankly i'm not sure if i missed much. i felt lucky to get back into it right when i did.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

btw tom i think yr probably right to ignore the dnb revival.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

(But I don't really really feel like I've really really missed anything. I like the tangents I've gone off on.)

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 12 December 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Last night in chat I was talking about how shoegaze (and a good deal of early '90s indie) doesn't resonate with me the way it does with a lot of other people who were Of That Age At That Time. I like it plenty and I've spent subsequent years playing catch-up, but the first time around I was just listening to a different set of bands, so I feel slightly alien to the sense of nostalgia for All That that everyone else has. Wish that weren't the case.

― bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've missed out on quite a lot by fixating on certain things. Like, back in the early - mid '90s I was really into either '80s music or what was going on in the American alternative scene (which happens to include grunge -- I was totally engrossed in that scene *laughs*), so I missed out on quite a lot of what was good about the British alternative scene. It's only been since I've really been looking out for other people's recommendations in re: what to check out in the world of music that I've felt I've truly kept up with whatever I was meant to keep up with. I love the Quiet Is The New Loud movement that has been popular in Britain for the past few years and I love all those retro '80s-sounding synthpoppy groups, and I'm certain that musical artists who are currently breaking through whom I would adore listening to are going to become apparent to me sooner rather than later, because of the blessing that is ILX.

I must confess, however, to being in a bad way over the course of the past month or so, and playing only music by one musical artist. Caffeinated fangirlishness = total insanity. Eh.

― Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I didn't really pay attention to shoegaze. I only bought a copy of Loveless a couple of years ago. It's ok, but it could never come close to being my favorite album or anything. They are not a rock band for starters. Sonic Youth are so much better and have meant so much more to me over the years (to force a comparison which isn't really even necessary). When Daydream Nation came out, it changed my life in a way Loveless never ever could, there is just so much more imagination and movement in their music. I did like Ride at the time though.

I also missed out on rap post-Chronic/Snoop, up until just a few years ago. I don't know what my problem was. Couldn't get into it, wasn't feeling it, etc. It took the twin killing of Nelly's "Country Grammer" and Mystikal's "Shake Ya Ass" to make me wake up and realize the shit was really cooking.

Never paid attention to any nu-metal until recently. I downloaded some System of a Down tracks after Sundar kept praising them, and they are pretty great. I like some of the Deftones stuff I've heard as well.

Never got into emo at all. Unless Fugazi and Spiderland count. But like, I read that Drive like Jehu thread the other day, and still don't really feel compelled to check them out. White guys screaming over uninteresting music just doesn't move me. Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. I probably am.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I've honestly missed most indie rock in general, post like 1997 or so. I read some of the bands people praise around here and I'm just like, "wha?". Casiotone for the Painfully Alone? Dismemberment Plan? I don't know, I don't think it's for me. I like Deerhoof though, they're really good.

I never got into Radiohead either. But I'd still like to check out their records eventually.

Fuck what have I been listening to? I guess mostly jazz and blues and older rock and some electronic stuff.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I've pretty much missed out on/avoided "indie" altogether, too. I remember loathing Pavement so viscerally upon first hearing that it actually took me two years to break down and buy OK Computer because the same people praising Radiohead had previously exposed me to Pavement. Fool me once, etc. Plus, metal people are just a hell of a lot more fun to hang around with than indie people, so that's helped keep me pretty firmly in the metal scene all these years.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

White guys screaming over uninteresting music just doesn't move me.

I though you said you liked Sonic Youth, though?

― Clarke B., Friday, 12 December 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

They don't scream though. They recite beat poetry. I guess Kim screams sometimes. Certainly on the older stuff. Use the word fuck! The word is love!!

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

my mother would disagree, kim.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed the music of 1996-1998 altogether. I was smoking a lot of pot and trying to get laid. But you know, if I had been listening to a lot of music then, I might be like, "Shit! I could have been smoking a lot of pot and trying to get laid!"

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

They are not a rock band for starters.

As you never saw them live, I'll let this calumny slip past.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed drum n bass, much to my chagrin. Am putting that right now, though.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I could say I missed grunge, but the grunge pie all over my fingers and face is too much of a giveaway.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

...this is a hypothetical pie, obviously.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

did you take offense when i asked you if you were you a "child of peel"?

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as my life goes, I really don't feel that I have missed too much. Granted I was not kicking it at the Music Institute when I was 12, but for the stuff that I was old enough to be around for I think I did all right. I caught shoegaze in the early 90's when I was just entering highschool, I was around for Zoot's, The Zone and The Green Room when Michigan space rock was happening, I was there for Detroit techno in the mid-90's, and I followed the best bits of electronic music and when to the best shows well into the 00's.

I think the only thing I really missed out on was not going to more garage rock shows when that was going strong. I knew it was going on and I bought the records, but I went to very few gigs. It was just something I kind of payed attention to through the weekly papers and on the web. I kept an eye on it, but did not really participate in it. In hindsight, I was I had gone to more of the shows at the Lager House and the Magic Stick.

I am going to see Theo Parrish and Thomas Fehlmann in a few hours, apparently life does offer a few consolations.

― Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If I put all my energy (and more important: my money) into keeping up with what's new, it would take a lot longer to get to all the back catalog stuff that I am incredibly interested in and excited by.

(And now I'm scared about beggining to get into downloading thanks to the RIAA, and all. Even so, I really don't see how a recording industry, large or small, can survive if people don't shell out money for the music they like. Not to get into all of that. . .)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Friday, 12 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

where is the lager house? pas/cal are playing there when i am back in detroit.

― keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 13 December 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i missed shoegaze too! i ignored it. i have still never heard a MBV record. although i have heard the surrounding (early post-rock) musics and love them (disco inferno, bark psychosis et al)

i am taking careful notes on Ned's musings. i am the inverse ddrake.

― gaz (gaz), Saturday, 13 December 2003 06:57 (twenty-two years ago)

did you take offense when i asked you if you were you a "child of peel"?

You didn't "ask" you insisted!!!!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 13 December 2003 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

There is some truth to it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 13 December 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think everything I like now, I missed it when it first came out. Whatever, Late boomer. Born too late, born too soon. God, I hate being in the fucking middle.

― Cacaman Flores, Saturday, 13 December 2003 07:45 (twenty-two years ago)

is assessing music with a history of critical thought (often changing, reassessing) easier or more rewarding than keeping track of the now?

― gaz (gaz), Saturday, 13 December 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I missed out on Pink, Sheryl Crow, Smashmouth, Brittney Spears. I'm a bit behind. Like Russia.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Saturday, 13 December 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned- MBV don't come across as a rock band on Loveless, that's what makes them so good.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's not go all crazy and try to make definite statements about Loveless.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 13 December 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometimes I see the 1990s for me as this trajectory toward an increasing refinement or narrowness of my tastes. After listening to commercial pop radio in the first few years of the decade, I got into commercial alt-rock, which then led to indie rock (Pavement and Sonic Youth), which then led to post-rock (Stereolab and Tortoise), which I thought of as this ideal, perfect kind of music for me such that by 2000 it seemed like half of my purchases involved Jim O'Rourke or John McEntire somehow. Realizing the rut I'd gotten myself into, however, ever since then, I've been going in the opposite direction -- first getting into nu-indie rock (Death Cab for Cutie, Dismemberment Plan) and now commercial pop radio again.

But so I really missed out on anything remotely pop or radio-oriented from 1994-2002. My knowledge of electronic/dance music has always been cursory at best; it's mostly the stuff that's filtered through the indie press, and so a name like Jeff Mills meant nothing to me until a few months ago. Most embarrassingly, I've tended to buy new records most often, so there's a whole trove of old stuff, really classic stuff, that I've never heard (even if I've read about it lots).

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 13 December 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i am taking careful notes on Ned's musings. i am the inverse ddrake.

Astonishing!

Ned- MBV don't come across as a rock band on Loveless, that's what makes them so good.

Spencer and I were talking once about MBV and he made the note that unlike the rest of the shoegaze crop, MBV were a rock band full on (as opposed to a band with lots of guitar pedals I guess, but you'd have to ask Spencer -- still, I see his point).

Hard as this may seem to Broheems and others, my view of MBV vis-a-vis Sonic Youth is simple -- Sonic Youth spent most of the eighties building up a sound that MBV took cues from and then took to a place which SY could never go to, and still hasn't. Then again keep in mind I found most of SY in the nineties to be the most go-nowhere/grind-your-wheels uselessness imaginable.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, Murray Street was pretty mellow. Also the song "Sunday" from A Thousand Leaves Was a damn good song, though its the only one from that record I can remember.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OTM about MBV, though.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Pigfuck

Fuck if I care.

― Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 13 December 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

MBV and SY are not a good comparison I'm afraid. they do VERY different things and come from different places.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, Julio, Kevin Shields has talked MANY times about the specific SY inspiration -- among others, obviously -- a lot of MBV's music had. There is a connection in terms of creative intent at the least (and it's hardly any surprise that for me and a lot of other folks we first heard about what MBV were doing precisely because the discussion revolved around them being very much a UK equivalent to SY).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I know abt that he has talked abt SY but I don't hear any connection when listening to the records (apart from the fact that both are taking the guitar to other places but other groups have done that too).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I love both bands, but (and this is a terrible cliche and a massive generalization) it seems strange that while MBV take certain cues from Sonic Youth, it is the latter band that come across as record geeks who play music (not ALWAYS a bad thing, but...), while MBV seem more inclined to build things out of nothing, from the ground up. But then, that's probably buying into the whole "Kevin Shields-visionary!!!" mythology, who knows?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it weird that I don't even imagine/think about guitars when I listen to MBV?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

no it isn't actually.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 13 December 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Also- I only just bought "Xpander" and then I saw Ronan's remark about "Give Me Every Little Thing" on the LCD Soundsystem thread and felt majorly dissed! (No hard feelings, man)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Most black metal. Other than that, I think I've heard most genres.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 14 December 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

deliberately avoided vs missed. sometimes one becomes the other. i have been no where near emo. i "missed" the charts for the last 15 years... ;-)

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 15 December 2003 05:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Indie. I've never heard more than a few songs from Pavement, Superchunk, etc. Closest I came was the shoegazer stuff, then it was on to IDM, jazz, etc. Who knows, maybe I'll catch up some day, but I really doubt it...

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Monday, 15 December 2003 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Classical music! I don't get the shit at all, unless it's really fucked-up or else can basically be listened to with a pop ear. Same with opera.

So, sure I dig Messiaen/ Satie/ Cage/ Berio/ Stockhausen/ Feldman/ Reich/ Riley/ Young, etc., but keep waiting to be hit over the head by the greatness of, you know, that Beethoven fellow...

― yetimike (McGonigal), Monday, 15 December 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

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