TS: Kerrang Vs NME

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You've seen the Album Of The Year Lists. But whats the better mag?

― Rock Bastard, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

not much of choice is it?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

NME.

There. They are ahead for oh one count.

0 - 1.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't really compare them to be honest. Too different.

Dave D

― dave dave, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

Kerrang is now 12,000 readers an issue ahead of NME.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

metal is now 12,000 per cent more interesting than indie rock.

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

I really would like another "STATE OF THE NME" thread, but I've not had enough caffeine today.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Nmerrang

― blueski, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Does Kerrang still have more female than male readers?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Is this a rise in circulation for K'Rang or a fall for the NME?

― NickB, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

See "Popworld" thread.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

How would you change Kerrang into a decent mag?

Stock answer from most people seems to be COVER SOME METAL FOR A CHANGE!

So what could be done to make Kerrang better?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

DJ Martian to thread obviously

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

ans is not to change either into a "decent mag", ans is to destroy them both, and send their staff/publishers/readers to the gallows

i'm so glad i'm not actually interested in this shit any more! some people must spend a lot of their lives scouring...wherever they scour, for new bad journalism

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

There's this magical mystical place called "WH Smiths when waiting for your train to come". Only the most committed of message board posters will ever experience such a thing.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

BLP: you think, even if Kerrang did run four consecutive covers with (insert whoever are the "serious" metal fan's favourite band these days. Lamb of God? I dunno) on, that metal kids would buy it?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Kerrang has the female readers. Covering emo/glam stuff like Fall Out Boy, MCR etc. It also has started covering the female fronted goth/celine dion/disney type metal. (that Terrorizer have actually covered for years).

That stuff is mega huge in Europe so wouldn't be surprised if it hit hard here should Kerrang cover it.

Is doom/thrash/metalcore/nu-metal/Stoner/post-metal/BM/DM etc all male dominated then? Or would more coverage mean more girls/people in general actually getting into it?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

there's this thing called reading a good book while listening to good music while waiting for your train to come, you should try it, it's probably a lot more enjoyable, you might get a smile or two out of it

my thing is usually more like "running blindly for nearest train in flurry of confusion as set off from house 2hrs late" :(

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Dom> since lamb Of God turned into a fucking pantera tribute band.... probably.

Not sure with the likes of Sunn o))) (infact i'm sure it wouldnt haha) The likes of Isis, that's a tougher one. But if anything gets covered it sales and interest will go up. But they can still cover the mainstream acts and cover metal at the same time. Kerrang is a gateway magazine. Loads discovered great stuff through it. I like the fact Kerrang is quite open minded about what it covers.
What annoys me is that it ignores some great stuff that SHOULD be a staple of the mag.

I wish they would take more risks with bands they give the cover to though. There's so many good bands that could do with the break.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Like they did with Qotsa and Mastodon. High On Fire deserved the same break. So did Isis, Boris and so on.

Mind you , NME could cover Isis too but don't.

Do non-americans have more faith in Pitchfork now than NME?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

As for Wh Smiths. I can't even get The Wire in there anymore.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Pitchfork, no. DrownedInSound, yes.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

i'm also so glad i don't rely on any of these places to find out about new music so the issue of whether i "trust" them is entirely moot

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Not everyone gets promos, Lex. Plenty want to read about new music to discover than aren't journos like most of you lot on here.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

i hardly discover any great new music via the stack of dreadful promos which loom over my desk and give me guilt every day for not listening to them

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

i rely on ILM! oh dear.

― blueski, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear indeed! ;)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm disappointed DJ Martian hasn't posted a huge list of bands that Kerrang should cover.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Lex could post a huge list of bands he thinks Kerrang! should cover instead?

― Pashmina, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha. That I would pay to see!

Norman> You buy Terrorizer sometimes. What makes you choose that over other mags? You're not known as the extreme metal type really.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

The Terrorizer forum seems to like discussing Kerrang too
http://www.terrorizer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1449&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha. That I would pay to see!

a cheque will be fine

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

[ii'm so glad i'm not actually interested in this shit any more! [/i]

you should tell us about when you were interested lex

― 600, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't for very long, only about a day, but then i did a 180. you should be familiar with that sort of thing g-child!

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Did you ever have an NME/Kerrang period in your life, Lex?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

nope! always hated nme when growing up (they hated tori you see), never bought it. the shadow of the thought of buying kerrang has never even slightly begun to cross my mind.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

What mags did you buy? I always preferred MM to NME tho still bought NME(along with Kerrang,Raw,Muzik,Mixmag then started buying The Wire later. Occasionally bought Select. and got all the CTCL issues.

Now I just buy The Wire, Rockarolla Plan B /LLSS and I get Skyscraper Magazine on import. Borders sell sod all good import mags now and it's costly to order them from the US, so I just get that one.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

after i stopped buying smash hits in...1993? i didn't buy any music mag regularly until...haha, i still don't. i bought random mags which had big interviews with tori/bjork/pj in them. basically no magazine has ever covered the music i love in the style which appeals to me.

last mag i bought was vibe magazine the other month, ciara on the front cover, even that was more research though innit.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna try and stop buying Terrorizer after this month. There wasn't a single thing I gave a shit about on the CD and maybe two or three things in the mag. I'm way too poor to buy things on the principle that I broadly approve of what they're doing

― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of metal punters think terrorizer is too mainstream and refuse to have anything to do with it. They don't see it as any different from kerrang or metal hammer.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

those types hang out at the

black metal forums
http://www.blackmetal.co.uk/ForumsPro.html

― djmartian, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I always get the impression that's more from people who are or have been immersed in punk/hardcore/metal fanzine culture, and just kind of rail against anything that's sold on a newsstand and put together in a publishing house, and doesn't have all that much to do with what's actually covered in it

― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think those black metal forums are something I shall avoid. People worse than the church of troo doom types

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Worst forums = Those with Pantera/Black Label Society fans on them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Plan B forums are also fucking terrible btw

― blueski, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

tho i am basing that largely on the fact that they allow people to use html signatures inc. massive images.

― blueski, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I've never actually read Plan B forum. I know The Lex hates it though. I assume its full of close-minded UK indie pop types?

xpost Ahh haha

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ring Fenced Indie pop & Indie Rock - Gideon Coe types

― djmartian, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Musicwise I like the Southern Lord forum. Even if some people did moan about the R N B/Funk/Soul thread, a few did actually like a lot of it. It's unusual to find anyone who likes that stuff on metal boards.
But most of the people on there aren't kids and like various types of music.
Basically anything is spoke about there.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

plan b forum = :ooooo

― lex pretend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

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lol@norteno in NME

― 600, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

But (and they are right) they don't consider those genres important enough to give them a dominant place, plus very rarely acts from those genres will make the frontpages of the mags.

Hence the need for specialist mags..

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost: the issue of geir's reality or otherwise has yet to be conclusively settled as far as I can see.)

how's NME's black metal and free-improv coverage these days geir? I haven't read it for a while.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

Hence the need for specialist mags..

Hence the need for fans of those genres to realise they should listen to the genres given more coverage by Q instead. As they are musically superior.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

NME covers some metal. Maybe not black metal, but take that as a hint that black metal is inferior and shouldn't be listend to.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

The worst songs ever released by Van Halen and Def Leppard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The best ever black metal song.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

There are no genres that Q and NME don't cover. Other than classical music. Sure they don't give all genres as much space as indie, but they still cover it, in that they review albums in said genres, and also sometimes write a column about acts outside indie.

Inaccurate (predictably).

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, i think Q are downsizing, i was speaking to their cumbia villera editor last week, and hes going to be out of a job, theyre removing the cumbia villera section:(:(

― 600, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, NME do a _lot_ of Van Halen coverage these days.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

xxxpost

I see. and here's me thinking musical judgements were all wrapped up in subjective aesthetics. thanks for enlightening me.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

van halen and def leppard should never even appear on the same planet, let alone in the same sentence.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

I see. and here's me thinking musical judgements were all wrapped up in subjective aesthetics. thanks for enlightening me.

SERIOUSLY WHAT DID I JUST SAY

― DJ Mencap, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

don't know. wasn't listening.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, NME do a _lot_ of Van Halen coverage these days.

They have definitely given The Darkness their share of coverage.

van halen and def leppard should never even appear on the same planet, let alone in the same sentence.

Except Van Halen's debut and "Hysteria" are the two best heavy rock albums ever released.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Go back to talking about rap Geir, please.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

van halen's debut - agreed.

'hysteria' - oh my god no. the horror.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hysteria is good but it's no Pyromania.
Van Halens debut is the only one of theirs I can stand. Just never got them at all.

Hence the need for specialist mags..

Hence the need for fans of those genres to realise they should listen to the genres given more coverage by Q instead. As they are musically superior.

-- Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007
NME covers some metal. Maybe not black metal, but take that as a hint that black metal is inferior and shouldn't be listend to.

-- Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007

The irony is Geir is talking like black metal fans do when writing in letters pages and forums.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

If you haven't seen Geir on THIS thread before, I recommend reading it.
Some classic Geir quotes there.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Geir's statements on the NME are shockingly deluded, ignorant and lacking in knowledge.

― djmartian, Friday, 13 April 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Geir is such good value.

― chap, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

Geir please don't ever change.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Geir's music year lists
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/GeirH/

― djmartian, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

As long as Geir stays off rap and dance threads I'm cool.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

NIMBY

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Steve's just trying to tempt Geir to post on them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Comstock was banned for less.

― blueski, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Just you wait until the best dance/hip hop polls.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Geir is the best thing about this thread. Dude needs to talk about metal more.

― Matt DC, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

He could start by listening to it 1st.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe DJ Martian could recommend him some.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Now there's an idea.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

It's not worth the hassle, everyone knows geir only wants melodic pop -rock.

― djmartian, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just noticed Geir posted on a hip hop thread earlier today.

DJ Martian recommend him some melodic metal?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't a lot of black metal melodic anyway? Just that there is so much noise and grinding that the melodies drown.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

request for geir/dom/martian to be locked into this thread for perpetuity please

― lex pretend, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am far too busy to play recommend metal to geir

however, this was the best atmospheric metal album of the late 90s

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s713475.jpg

― djmartian, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

request for geir/dom/martian to be locked into this thread for perpetuity please

Zing culture in action.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

NME covers some metal. Maybe not black metal, but take that as a hint that black metal is inferior and shouldn't be listend to.

-- Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 10:53 (3 hours ago)

You've gone crazy, Geir! Symphonic melodic black metal is the best music ever! Also, the best videos ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfWuHSADpQ

Fuck yeah! I mean when did Oasis ever write a track as awesome as this or make a video as OTT/mental, eh?

― Pashmina, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if the guitar amps had been turned down a LOT and the singers had sung rather than grind, then some black metal might have been OK. Technically, the musicians are often quite good.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if the guitar amps had been turned down a LOT

you're no son of mine.

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

you're no son of mine. - didn't one of geir's heroes [Phil Collins] sing that

― djmartian, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

no it was Peshay

― 600, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

joe peshay?

― m the g, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

"Who the fuck cares? I'll dig the fuckin' hole, I don't give a fuck! What is it, the first hole I dug? First time I dug a hole, I'll dig a fuckin' hole. Well, where are the shovels?", quips ILM's Geir Hongro.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 13 April 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Geir go to the same school as Varg and actually knew him? That could've had some interesting moments at school!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Metal Hammer Awards
http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/gods/

Is Metal Hammer worse than Kerrang?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

There's 2 categories for "Riff Lord" and "Best Shredder".

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Geir about "Trout Mask Replica":

It is all just noise, noise and nothing but noise.

― groovemaaan, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Geir go to the same school as Varg and actually knew him?

I went to the same high school as Øystein Aarseth. Didn't know him, but his younger brother was in my class.

― Geir Hongro, Friday, 13 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7575315.stm
http://blog.kerrangawards.com/2008/2008/07/and_the_nominees_are.html

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 21 August 2008 21:54 (seventeen years ago)

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