― Dr. C, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)
― JM, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!
― Tom, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??
― Ian White, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.
EVER.
It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.
― Tim, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.
― Nick Greenfield, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.
I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...
― Dan Perry, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.
― Ally C, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Destroy: NEW ORDER
― Punkcow, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
But many more could be named, especially in the first category.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
destroy: blue monday
― youn noh, Saturday, 3 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― milton howe, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― youn, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Dave M., Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Brotherhood side one
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)
Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)
Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)
Destroy:
Republic
the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique
― Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]
― ALly, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.
― Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Discuss.
It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.
* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky
* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"
― Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"
I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"
By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."
Cheers
Ci
Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"
Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Paul, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.
― gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 02:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
... at least that's what I think it's called...
― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 September 2002 07:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.
Thank you.
― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 08:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 09:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 September 2002 11:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
I would like a place I could call my own /Have a conversation on the telephone
To me this is kind of genius? Catchy rhyme, rhythmically perfect for the song but also conveys some kind of yearning for normalcy in the face of an unspecified emotional devastation
I just read the lyrics and yep they read terribly, but when they sit on top of the glorious rush of the music those random couplets can hit (me) profoundly. That messy blend of banality and romanticism is kind of how my brain actually thinks, I think.
― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Friday, 12 November 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
Speaking about a lot of NO songs there, not just Regret.
otm. Can't do them at karaoke.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:02 (two years ago) link
The Internet seems to think every single song they ever wrote is about Ian Curtis
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:10 (two years ago) link
you're so right emsworth - I mean, the song is called "Regret" and ends "just wait till tomorrow / I guess that's what they all say / just before they fall apart". That and "Waiting for the Siren's Call" can bring me to tears if they hit at the right moment. That indefinable mix of banality and genius is what keeps them so fresh in my heart.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
oh fuck I didn't mean to plagiarise you while praising your take!
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 03:34 (two years ago) link
Not relevant to Alfred’s list but the live version of “Waiting for the Siren’s Call” crushes the original.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
Hard disagree, I mean it's a cool reworking but it loses all the poignancy, and it's not New Order without the acid sting of guitar lines and that bass melody.I guess I will be shouted down but Sirens' Call is the last NO album for me, as irritating a shit as Hooky undoubtedly is, the band is the four of them or GTFO.Amid all the rancour and sniping, to pull out a song like that - in which all four absolutely shine at their best - is almost miraculous. Everything after that is spare change, to me.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:45 (two years ago) link
what a fucking idiot I am for forgetting that Gillian bowed out for that album, there's no defence for self-clowning like that.Great song though. I will now retire from saying anything online ever.
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 04:48 (two years ago) link
I like State of the Nation and The Village. From the 80s I think the only song I really can't bear is 1963, mostly because I can't fathom how those lyrics ever made it to a finished song. So many painful turns of phrase.
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Friday, 12 November 2021 06:16 (two years ago) link
Vicious Streak is Top 5 for me and I would also put I Told You So in the top tier.You could easily populate the worst 10 with all of Lost Sirens + Liar and Chemical + State of the Nation and Shellshock
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 12 November 2021 08:51 (two years ago) link
State of the Nation and The Village are great, as is 1963. If there's a NO track from the 80s that I can see an argument for being on the list it's Touched by the Hand of God, but that's redeemed by its video
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Friday, 12 November 2021 11:10 (two years ago) link
Weird, thought I posted, but I like "Touched" and don't like "1963," which is kind of like "Love Vigilantes" if that song was bad.
Where the heck is the rando Jimmy Cliff cover from?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 November 2021 14:08 (two years ago) link
A 2003 War Child album
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 12 November 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
SUNKIST IS THE ONE― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2g9UJdH4MM
― 龜, Monday, 22 August 2022 19:13 (one year ago) link
The setlist to the first show of theirs I ever saw, in 1985, is a pretty good "Search" list, at least up through Low-Life. Makes a great playlist.
SunriseThis Time of NightHurtThieves Like Us5 8 6Everything's Gone GreenThe VillageSubcultureDenialConfusionThe Perfect Kiss
Encore:CeremonyBlue Monday
Encore 2:Temptation
As for "Destroy," Alfred's list is good with the obvious exception of "The Village."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 22 August 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
SUNKIST IS THE ONE― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)📹
― Mar - a - Lago, or 120 Days of Sodom (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 22 August 2022 19:28 (one year ago) link
I didn't see a post, but I guess Low-Life is getting the box set treatment. Old news that I completely missed, it was delayed due to COVID, but the newish news is that it's out in January with a pre-Christmas announcement.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 04:40 (one year ago) link
Nice!
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 08:24 (one year ago) link
I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 09:21 (one year ago) link
Search: World In Motion Caribinieri Mix
Destroy: World In Motion single
I think it was the Caribinieri mix, anyway. You lose the catchier piano riff but you're also spared the footballer rapping, and the chorus declared that "we've got the world in motion", and not "love" which is stupid.
Search: Republic! I know its a bit past their most iconic era, but I think its their most solid album. The only stinker is "Chemical" (I think, going off memory---the one that starts with "I wake up every night on the stair").
Destroy: Shellshock, State of the Nation, Subculture. Each of these is tedious its own, but to release three songs so close together that suck in the same way, until they all blur together, was unfortunate.
Search: the Substance versions of Ceremony, Temptation, and Confusion.
Destroy: the original versions of these songs.
Search: Kiss of Death, Thieves Like Us instrumental
Destroy: Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us vocal
― Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 28 October 2022 03:54 (one year ago) link
I’ll be going through your bins.
― Alba, Friday, 28 October 2022 06:43 (one year ago) link
I disagree with most of that, but agree that the instrumental Thieves Like Us is 5-6 min of pure bliss
― meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Friday, 28 October 2022 09:00 (one year ago) link
You’re describing the No Alla Violenza mix, not the Carabinieri mix (which still has the footballers in it)
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
You missed out. (And there were various thread revivals!)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
*looks at search/destroy post*
Stephen? Stephen Hague? Glad to have you with us.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
lol and this was something like a twice delayed tour, too, so it's been known they were touring together since early 2020!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:59 (one year ago) link
And it's a wrap now.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 28 October 2022 19:11 (one year ago) link
Low-Life box set confirmed:
https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/
― lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 11 November 2022 12:34 (one year ago) link
"new interviews with every band member" hmmm
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 11 November 2022 12:37 (one year ago) link
I'm shellshocked.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2022 13:06 (one year ago) link
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― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 November 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 11 November 2022 14:50 (one year ago) link
there's always room for more live New Order!
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 11 November 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link
The shows they've said are included are some of New Order's best recorded performances. Leuven and Toronto 85 have been on my wish list for a long time. I've seen Leuven on YouTube a handful of times but the full Toronto show has never been released.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 11 November 2022 17:21 (one year ago) link
I yearn for a New Order \ Mike and the Mechanics reunion
― | (Latham Green), Monday, 14 November 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
all we need is a miracle
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 November 2022 20:26 (one year ago) link
I first saw them on the Low-Life tour and they were at their peak.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
Same. Still one of the two or three best shows I've ever seen.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:08 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqvSYCIIUM
― MaresNest, Sunday, 11 December 2022 17:40 (one year ago) link
how on god's earth do you release a "definitive" version of low-life without the extended version of "the perfect kiss"?
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 3 February 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe
― "i'm grateful." (Austin), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:57 (one year ago) link
what do I get out of this
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 February 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link
pretty brutal isn't it. can't justify this for the DVDs. hope those show up on s0uls3333k
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 3 February 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 3 February 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 3 February 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link
^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)
The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 3 February 2023 23:41 (one year ago) link
Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.
The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music
There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.
Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music
Track listing:
CD 1 (remastered)CeremonyEverything’s Gone GreenTemptation 87Blue Monday Confusion 87 Thieves Like UsThe Perfect KissSub-Culture ShellshockState Of The NationBizarre Love TriangleTrue Faith
CD 2 (remastered)In A Lonely PlaceProcessionCries And WhispersHurtThe BeachConfused InstrumentalLonesome TonightMurderThieves Like Us InstrumentalKiss Of DeathShame Of The Nation1963
CD 3Ceremony (Original)MeshTemptation (12”)Confusion (Original 12”)Perfect PitDub VultureShellcockBizarre Dub TriangleTrue DubConfusion (Dub 87)True Faith (Remix)
CD 4LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987 CeremonyEverything’s Gone GreenTemptation 87 Blue MondayConfusion 87Thieves Like UsThe Perfect KissSub-cultureShellshockState Of The NationBizarre Love TriangleTrue Faith
― read-only (unperson), Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:01 (seven months ago) link
Some chat over here:
Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2023 03:20 (seven months ago) link