funny/stupid things you've overheard said about music

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Outside a coffee shop last night, two cool fellas talking a little too loud about Pink Floyd and Syd Barrett:

COOL #1: "So I pull up behind this guy in an old VW Beetle and I saw he had the word "terrapin" as his license plate...."

COOL #2: "Sweet."

COOL #1: "And I pull up next to him to get a look, to see what he looks like, maybe he's a Syd Barrett fan, referencing the song title like that."

COOL #2: "Right on."

COOL #1: "So then I see he has a Grateful Dead dancing bear sticker on his car."

COOL #2: "Ohh gotcha."

COOL #1: "So I knew he was a Syd Barrett fan then, some old school hippie referencing that song like that."

COOL #2: "That is so cool."

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

A co-worker who saw me looking at a picture of David Bowie:

Co-Worker: "God, he's a shabby bastard, isn't he?"
Me: [silence]
Co-Worker: (pauses)"...Man, he just looks better and better with age, don't you think?"

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

That guy knew Syd Barrett has a song called "Terrapin" (news to me), but had never heard of the Dead song? Isn't that odd?

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Terrapin is on The Madcap Laughs (first song, maybe?). Also covered by The Smashing Pumpkins.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

POO: idiotic things you've overheard said about music

― kljfsklf, Friday, 9 January 2004 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

gah damit

― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'd just think anyone who owns the Syd Barrett album would be familiar with "Terrapin Station"... I mean, Barrett is more 'obscure.'

― Sam J. (samjeff), Friday, 9 January 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

1. After Pete Townshend's did-he-or-didn't-he admission of homosexual behavior:

"I don't care if Pete Townshend's gay. He's a rockin' band."

2. At a party in 1986 while the record was being changed:

"Can we put on some U2 or something? You know, something with some social relevance?"

― Rick Massimo, Friday, 9 January 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread reminds me of the Daniel Clowes comic in an old issue of Eightball where a guy at a party is walking by a couple of hippie-hipsters, and he catches the tail end of a conversation as one of the hippies says "...and that's why the government will never let you hear any reggae on the radio, man..." or something like that. God I love that comic.

― Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Friday, 9 January 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

That U2 one is priceless.

― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 9 January 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"Can everyone who wants to make it compulsory for Nicky Wire to dress up as a banana every time he's on stage please sign here and forward it to their management..."

― Harry, Friday, 9 January 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

that would be the "stupid" category.

― Harry, Friday, 9 January 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

While watching Standing in the Shadows of Motown with my then-boyfriend Kelley, we got to the scene where Joan Osborne took the stage to sing "Heat Wave." Kelley had never heard of her, and turned to me & said, "Is she related to the TV Osbournes?"

I almost broke up with him then and there.

― Joseph McCombs, Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That's alright, my roommate thought Bad English lead singer John Waite was Tom Waits' brother.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

"While watching Standing in the Shadows of Motown with my then-boyfriend Kelley, we got to the scene where Joan Osborne took the stage to sing "Heat Wave." Kelley had never heard of her, "
Kelley should consider himself blessed.

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

but dood - What if God were ONE of US?

― pete s, Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

If God were one of us, as the song posits, then the Pope wouldn't phone him, because the Pope wouldn't actually exist.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, in answer to the thread question:

"I love Sigur Ros, they really remind me of Enya"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

If God had a name, what would it be
And would you call it to his face
If you were faced with him in all his glory
What would you ask if you had just one question

Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home

If God had a face, what would it look like
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in jesus and the saints
And all the prophets and...

Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home

Tryin’ to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody callin’ on the phone
’cept for the pope maybe in rome

Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home

Just tryin’ to make his way home
Like a holy rolling stone
Back up to heaven all alone
Just tryin’ to make his way home
Nobody callin’ on the phone
’cept for the pope maybe in rome

― sym (shmuel), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

What if God was a platypus?
Just a duck-billed platypus?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Then duck-billed platypii would be the dominant species on the planet, as he'd have made them in his own image.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hipster schmuck in williamsburg on the eve of a big double bill in the city overheard on sidewalk:
"Yeah, Maiden rocks, dude, I can't wait, but Motorhead... they're kind of weak"

― autovac (autovac), Saturday, 10 January 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahah! Surely that would have summoned AlexinNYC for some righteous wrath, those words.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 January 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"I like The Mooney Suzuki better than The Hives. They have a more mature sound."

Que the pie in the face.

― Chesnick, Saturday, 10 January 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

In class someone said that Good Charlotte are drug addicts and this girl responds with "Good Charlotte may be Young & Hopeless but they're not drug addicts". Ew.

― Rachel, Saturday, 10 January 2004 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know about the Grateful Dead song! Maybe the person was secretly English!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know either song.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

But I hate The Grateful Dead and Pink Floyd.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but sigur ros do sound like enya!

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

except worse

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's what I loved about it Gareth. "From the mouths of babes..."

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 10 January 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ugh. why did someone have to mention the Mooney Suzuki?
now i can't finish my breakfast.

― ian johno (ian johno), Saturday, 10 January 2004 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

In class someone said that Good Charlotte are drug addicts and this girl responds with "Good Charlotte may be Young & Hopeless but they're not drug addicts". Ew.

Hahaha, classic!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 10 January 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Can you play some country?"

"This is Johnny Cash...."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Aphex Twin - best band of the 90's"

― search and delete, Saturday, 10 January 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

hipster schmuck in williamsburg on the eve of a big double bill in the city overheard on sidewalk:
"Yeah, Maiden rocks, dude, I can't wait, but Motorhead... they're kind of weak"

I want that guy's name and address NOW!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 10 January 2004 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

well, they're hardly the louvin brothers are they?

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 10 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Who are the Louvin Brothers? Did they put some 'Ardkore 12"s in the early 90s?

― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 11 January 2004 06:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Where are the Beatles, Bowies and Aretha Franklin's of this generation?

― pleb, Sunday, 11 January 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Family friends' kid to me, while I was spinning and chatting:

"How did you go from the Neptunes to *Prince*?"

Damn 12 year olds.

― Barima (Barima), Monday, 12 January 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

last night, in a used CD store: "You know what the worst album of all time is? Bob Dylan's Unplugged! I mean, that guy used to be pretty cool, but he started sucking in, like, 1985!"

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 12 January 2004 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos's reminded me of something I heard in a record store a year or two ago: "The only ska you really need is the third wave stuff. Some of the second wave stuff is pretty cool, but the first wave stuff is just a buncha old black guys"

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 12 January 2004 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm. That's a sentiment that leads me to consider the virtues of murder.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 January 2004 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the first wave stuff is just a buncha old black guys

Colin, how did you stop yourself from strangling this cretin?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Name some "third wave" skae bands/artists so I can get a handle on this, please

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing "third wave" ska would be stuff like Reel Big Fish and the Dance Hall Crashers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Not music but worth sharing I think. On a train in Boston the other week, some 20-something girl talking to a friend about the movie Casablanca which she'd just seen for the first time:

"I just don't get why it everyone says it's the greatest romance of all time or whatever. She goes back to her husband at the end - what's romantic about that??"

― LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Half annoying, half sad wanker trying to impress this girl next to him in the tube:

"You know, I organize my cd's alphabetically. It can be kinda hard to find stuff when you have 120 of 'em".

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"Robben Ford is the one to go for!"

Idiot sales clerk in a mall record store. The customer (myself, age 14) wanted to buy a record as an introduction to the blues. Luckily, I bought a Sonny Boy Williamson album instead.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 12 January 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

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on the day george harrison died, i found out about it right before i had class, so i was pretty bummed out when i walked into the classroom, and the 3 girls behind me (all of whom are MUSIC BUSINESS MAJORS mind you!) asked me what was wrong. i told them that george harrison had died and they all stared at me blankly for a few seconds until one of them asked "is he the guy from star wars?"

― Felcher (Felcher), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Felcher...do you mean Paul McCartney was in band *before* Wings?

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

In a music shop:

"Hey do you have that DVD of all the film clips that director Michael Gordon did?"

"Umm...no I don't think I've heard of him"

"You must have, he did that White Stripes one and that Daft Punk one"

"oh...you mean Michel Gondry"

― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

A blonde girl to me in high school:

"Why do you like the Clash? They have nothing to say."

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"Everybody loves Madness"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(My Bloody Valentine') "Loveless" - largely tuneless drivel and likely only to make you cover your ears as such pish as "Blown a Wish" might indicate. REALLY rather dreadful, those who pretend to like it only do so cause it's "technically clever".

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh.

"Why do you like the Clash? They have nothing to say."

Really all she needed was the first sentence.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 January 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"Nick Southall is wrong about The Mavericks."

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Saturday, 17 January 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry Dom. :o)

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Saturday, 17 January 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Nick Southall isn't mad gay"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 17 January 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

A blonde girl to me in high school:
"Why do you like the Clash? They have nothing to say."

Hooray for blonde girls!

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Saturday, 17 January 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but if she had been a brunette...

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 18 January 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Back when I had a record store, there was a rep of some major label that would drop off his swag and occasionally hang out at the store. The manager of the store said that he was playing GBV's "Bee Thousand" on the stereo, and the label rep said, "So, who's this?" When told that it was Guided by Voices, he answered knowingly, "Oh yeah -- Guided."

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 18 January 2004 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Wouldn't he have said "Oh yeah -- Voices" since he asked for who?

― nickn (nickn), Sunday, 18 January 2004 02:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"God, what a crappy cover of Frente!"
You should've punched her in the teeth.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), January 14th, 2004.

Alex, according to this thread alone you should have been convicted for assault many times over.

― David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 18 January 2004 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Quick! Somebody say something ignorant about Killing Joke!

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 18 January 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(it's all done with love, Alex. It's all done with love.)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 18 January 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Another one that should amuse Ned:

In year 9, sat in class playing tapes. I say I have Depeche Mode's Singles 81-95 and a girl says "Oh yeah put them on I love "Just Cant get Enough", it rocks".

.. five minutes later same girl says...

"Whats this gay shit?"

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 18 January 2004 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like there were words, a body and a brain, but somehow they never cohabited properly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 January 2004 07:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Quick! Somebody say something ignorant about Killing Joke!

He's called "Jazz" Coleman but he doesn't swing at all! At least try some scatting or something, you poser!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 18 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not even dignifying that with a proper response.........you newt.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate: "Alex is a witch! He turned me into a newt!"
(long pause)
Nate: "...I got better."

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 18 January 2004 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Burn her anyway!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 January 2004 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"Yeah it wouldn't make much sense if [Morrissey] was racist and gay..."

― Stupid (Stupid), Monday, 19 January 2004 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Half right.

― omg, Monday, 19 January 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"Hey, my music's really better than Presley's. He had only one channel, i'm doing everything in stereo, see?"

(Techically, I didn't 'overhear' it myself but was told by a guy who did hear it from the horse(shitter)'s mouth. And no, the horse was dead serious about it, he definitely wasn't joking)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 19 January 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Some time ago...
My dad: Hmm. Is this "reggae"?

Me: No dad, it's the first single by a band called the Human League.

(I've always treasured the inverted commas he managed to convey, long before anyone thought to do them in the air.)

― marco (marco), Monday, 19 January 2004 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

my dad on ween's pure guava: "is this some kind of joke? 'cause it sure as hell isn't music."

― Andrew Calaman (Andrew Calaman), Monday, 19 January 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

One time I heared someone asking for "Eyeless in Gaza" to be asked "Isla StClair?"

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 January 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"Who the hell listens to the Beach Boys for instrumentals? That's like listening to Eric Clapton for any reason at all!"

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 19 January 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That maybe the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say about music.

― LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

If it weren't for the fact I do love me a few Beach Boys instrumentals, I'd agree!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, it was the mostly the first bit I was referring too.

― LondonLee (LondonLee), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

During an electronica set (non-DJ) I was playing:

"Come on man, everyone loves Silverchair, play some Silverchair!"

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, tho not stupid thing at Lush gig:

punter: "Miki, shaaarsh ya tits!"
Miki: "Get fucked, cunt!"

It was the only sentence anyone in the band uttered the entire show, just before the last song. Now THATS funny. Brilliant too, really.

― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Some time ago...
My dad: Hmm. Is this "reggae"?
Me: No dad, it's the first single by a band called the Human League.

"Is that Eminem?"
"No Mom, it's a band called the Dropkick Murphys"

― fcussen (Burger), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It was the only sentence anyone in the band uttered the entire show, just before the last song. Now THATS funny. Brilliant too, really.

Whoa! I was lucky enough to interview Lush three times and found them to be exceptionally cool, funny people. The first time I spoke with Miki, she mentioned that she was SICK AND TIRED of people yelling "Get Yer Tits Out" at her. The next time I interviewed them, I fanboyishly brought a disc for them to autography. Without ever mentioning it during the second interview, she scrawled on the booklet.

"Dear Alex -- Get Yer Tits Out, xoxoxo Miki".

Still have it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahah! The one time I met her she was great. :-) Hope she's doing well, I gather Suzy said she was okay enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

What is she up to now?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Working somewhere in London doing something? I'm not entirely sure, thus my vagueness.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Quasi-related: I ran into Debbie from Curve/Echobelly working in a second hand record store right across from the "tube stop" at Notting Hill Gate once (I was on my way to meet a gaggle of Gatherers at the Churchill's Arms pub, trainspotters!) "Holy shit, yer Debbie from Curve!" I remarked. Yeah, she was thrilled to be recognized. Just like when I accosted the Bass Thing of the Wonder Stuff working at Tower Records pm 4th & B'way.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

...who's long dead, now.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Never saw the Wonder Stuff with the Bass Thing, that would have been cool.

(I seem to be one of the few people who think that a Pylon/Stuffies double bill is perfect all the way through!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, it was Too Much Joy, Pylon and then the Wonder Stuff super late. Miles was a tremendous dick (as usual), and the `Stuff played a shortened set. When Miles brother (their head roadie) came out to say "Congrats, New York, You FUCKED UP!", someone chucked a full beer bottle at his head, that narrowly missed and broke into a million shards on the drum kit. Ugliest gig I've ever been too.....I've never seen an angrier crowd...it made Agnostic Front/Cro-Mags gigs look like Tupperware parties.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I just started a student radio show, a collaboration between the student paper (represented by my good self) and the radio station (represented by... well, see).

Anyway, the week's new releases are played, and we done discuss them. This is the radio station guy's verbatim comments on the Scissor Sisters record.

"I mean, the Bee Gees was 30 years ago, and yet they're still making dance music"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

*playing The Birthday Party's "Zoo-Music Girl"*

Ex-girlfriend: "They kinda sound like the Insane Clown Posse."

*playing The Birthday Party's "King Ink"*
Another ex-girlfriend: "He sounds like he's being strangled and dying!"

Another ex of mine found "Nick the Stripper" really disturbing, but the last person I dated I met because of a shared interest in The Birthday Party. It sure took a while for that to happen!

― Ian Riese-Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

six years pass...

last night at work I was playing Edan's Beauty and the Beat, and during the long stretch of UFO sound effects at the end of "The Science of the Two", I heard...

coworker 1: the aliens are attacking!
coworker 2: it's not aliens, it's just Wu-Tang.
me: it's not Wu-Tang!

― gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Saturday, 28 May 2011 04:48 (fifteen years ago)

ahaha

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 May 2011 04:50 (fifteen years ago)

(I've been working in a restaurant kitchen on weekends lately, btw)(and it sucks btw)

coworker 2 only ever seems to listen to a mixtape consisting of equal parts Wiz Khalifa and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay-past-his-prime Eminem. when I played GZA one time, he told me his favorite Wu-Tang song was "Ice Cream" because "it was the song that put them on the map."

― gtforia estfufan (unregistered), Saturday, 28 May 2011 04:53 (fifteen years ago)

*playing The Birthday Party's "Zoo-Music Girl"*

Ex-girlfriend: "They kinda sound like the Insane Clown Posse."

This is awesome!!

― free inappropriate education (Abbbottt), Saturday, 28 May 2011 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

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