recommend bands using synths and normal instruments in a balanced way

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i hear so much music now (aprox. 1998<->2004) that almost exclusively uses synths. I appreciate that synths are to some degree built in to the recording set-ups many bands use in conjunction with their computer equipment, and i think the rock-ist backlash bands might make a virtue of not using anything that would sound like synths for their own profiles sake.

Where are the bands that don't sound wholely electronic or wholely trad. guitar ?

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

Joy Division

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

The Dandy Warhols, though Im not sure about that last album.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:49 (twenty years ago) link

does not compute

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

*is bemused at the last three answers and their proximity*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link

eg stereolab use guitars but don't sound like they do just as sonic youth say they use synths but don't sound like it.

please suggest some music i might like that is interesting in it's choice of instrumentation.

An obvious example from the past is roxy music, using a mix of horn, violin, electric guitar and synth. They created a sound or mix of sounds that was fun at one level simply by virtue of that strange mix, but then they were interesting on so many levels. They wrote good music imo.

Where are the roxy music bands of today ? OK if they use synths for rhythm or texture or whatever they use them for, that's cool, just as long as they don't use synths/ electronics for everything.

Some interesting music that is not just electronic.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

Phoenix is a good band. Thomas Bangalter from Daft Punk plays synthesizer on they're album "United". It's pretty bad ass. ummmm other bands that i can reccomend are.....The Postal Sevice, The PIzzicato Five, and....well thats all i can think of right now.

Dude (The Yellow Dart), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

i don't know "does not compute", but i don't like "add (x) to n" (they're exclusively synth anyway)

a balanced way, and y'know obscure if possible (= something i might not have heard of hopefully), old or new

btw fiddo, thanks for your suggestions re: Herbie Hancock and his band + Dr. Gleason in that other thread, which is exactly the sort of maybe unknown but really interesting music i want more of. I'm just getting into that hancock stuff. i wish they'd recorded more pieces instead of breaking up.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

Scissor Sisters are a great example, imho.

Not only are they using both synths and guitars, but they also blend elements of rock with elements of dance in an interesting and effective way.

IF you're looking for 'serious' music with avant-garde credentials they're not for you, though...

Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

do you like the first tubeway army album, george (before gary numan became, well, gary numan)?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:14 (twenty years ago) link

oh, music that's unbalanced in other ways is fine, possibly preferable

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:15 (twenty years ago) link

that black and white covered album called tubeway army ? i've never heard it. i like his songs on his first solo album 'pleasure principle' and some off 'replicas' but duh, completely forgot that the first albums often contain the best songs, so will check that first one out.

they were a guitar band with synths for texture and bass, the balance changing depending on which phase numan, i'm told. i used to think that his lyrics were a bit naff, all this sci-fi dystopia stuff. reading the lyrics to "down in the park" surpirised me a bit, but it's still a cover for s/m cruising ain't it ?

i really enjoyed seeing numan's live show in 1982, where he used that disco floor technology with synchronised colours as a backdrop (ie he simply stuck it on the wall), with each song having it's own colour scheme. the colours were really well paced.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago) link

Stars - 'Heart' is great.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:29 (twenty years ago) link

i think you'd like the 1st one, it has less synth and more guitar than replicas. though you'd prob. find the lyrics just as "naff."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

What about Dave Douglas - Freak In, with drum machines, synths, and loops used with traditional instruments in a jazz/funk/fusion context? A lot of that stuff mixes things well. John Scofield has some good moments, some cheesy ones too. The most obvious answer is, of course, Radiohead.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:37 (twenty years ago) link

I'm kinda baffled by the question. I thought most music was more balanced than ever before. (which doesn't necessarily make it good.. the quality ratio is the same as always).

One of the few things I do like about music as of the new millenium is that "Disco sucks" seems to either been seriously dimmed or just warped and frapped to all hell (or heaven).

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

Six Finger Satellite
Brainiac/Enon
Trans Am

GSF, Friday, 16 January 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago) link

Are you just looking for current bands/acts that do this?

Otherwise, follow the other people's suggestions and include any of George Clinton family (mainly due Bernie Worrell) especially Warship Touchante by the Brides of Funkenstein.

Jedmond, Friday, 16 January 2004 03:42 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, do check out the self-titled Twine album.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:43 (twenty years ago) link

American Analog Set

captain badass, Friday, 16 January 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

I was going to say Joy Division, but it so happens that the very first person to respond to this thread beat me...aargh!

How about Devo? There's always been alot of guitars in their music as well as synths, but they'll always be seen as a synth band I guess.

My Bloody Valentine used/uses(?) alot of synths, samplers, etc. in addition to their trademark guitar, but I suppose that's common knowledge.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, Wire!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:49 (twenty years ago) link

Are you just looking for current bands/acts that do this?

possibly, since there's a better chance i haven't heard of them -- eg if i'd been asked this qn. the the first three Devo albums would have leapt into my mind, but it's those weirder moments from music history like Neil Young's Trans and TGs limited output that has had me thinking about this for a while.

i guess i'd also have a beef about too much off-the-shelf obvious generic synth in the music of today as though it's replaced the mandatory guitar solo, if you're looking for some meta-question. i like elctronic music, some pure elctronic music, but i think technologys value has been diluted or over-played in so much music of the 'noughties, be it pop, indie, avant, everywhere.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago) link

Two tracks into disc 2 of This Is Acid Jazz: A Ten-Year Celebration, I'm happy to recommend them (esp the current one - The Chris Bangs Project - "Dazzle").

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

James Hardway - "Vibe Merchant"

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 16 January 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

probably more electronic than your thinking but how about "the books", "tarwater" and "kreidler" from a more modern age.

phil turnbull (philT), Friday, 16 January 2004 05:14 (twenty years ago) link

Prick
second Elastica album
Alen Sex Fiend
[alexinnyc]Killing Joke[/alexinnyc]
Various bits 'n' bobs of solo Marc Almond

anode, Friday, 16 January 2004 06:05 (twenty years ago) link

Broadcast?

LondonLee (LondonLee), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link

Radiohead

*prepares to be slapped*

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

Emperor or indeed most black metal to thread!

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 16 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

The Cars own this thread.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

Pere Ubu ... has always used synth for depth, but not as a featured instrument.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Uriah Heep
Alan Parsons Project
Loverboy

dave q, Saturday, 17 January 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

haha I thought of Loverboy too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

Rush

earlnash, Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

Van Halen - 1984!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 17 January 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

i think of van halen as more of a post-analog band. They used early polyphonic prototypes including the factory preset sounds, from what i can remember. phil collins used them in his stuff from that time too.

by 1984, the analog to digital thing had already happened (eg Voltage Controlled Oscillator became Digitally Contolled scillator) and the semi-digital chorus effect was big too (eg phil collins).
the early MIDI synths remind me of simple bland timbres generated using the much less sophisticated early user interfaces most of those instruments had, so much less opportunities for on-the-fly experimention.

the evidence of recent synth bands preference for pre-MIDI synths seems to confirm the differences to me

george gosset (gegoss), Sunday, 18 January 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link

by happenstance, i came across this while on allmusic.com.

is this sorta what yer looking for, george?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 29 January 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70312241245201415&sql=Aj0jgtq1zpu4p

"The band eschews some of the more traditional rock equipment in favor of allowing harpsichord, slide guitar, and cello to sit alongside obscure bits like the Dynachord, Nordlead, and synthesizers that sound as though they were lifted from warped Prince LPs."

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 29 January 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe M83 and Metric?

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 29 January 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

Metric is beyond horrible.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 29 January 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

thanks Eisbär, and Ned for the review .. looks really interesting, but then it would have to have Jaz Coleman on it, wouldn't it ! no i'll check it out.

have investigated six finger sattelite -- i think they're a bit too heavy and maybe just too 2D for me

and thank you for the Unwound link Jon -- while i like rock music, i love good recordings of analog xor esoteric instruments, especially realistic recordings of cathedral organs -- organs are like the precursors to synths in some ways, so i've always enjoyed music that included a decent-sized well-recorded beast (and even Van der Graff's parallel universe of hot-customised electric organs)

but these guys Unwound, they have their own studio and so have spent time on things, sometimes such an advantage, and the review reads like a wet-dream that i will have to consummate (buy), even if the drumming/vocals do prove bothersome.
That review reminds me of the advance reviews i read for those great albums by Biota, the Biota sound with that attention to rich recording spaciousness. The thing which excited me about Biota was that i had no idea and couldn't imagine how Biota actually made their sound, that and the greatness of that music.

generally, thank you people for the suggestions so far -- i'll try to think up some of my own

george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 29 January 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago) link


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