"real" hip hop production

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ok, i know it's rockist etc but what comes to mind production-wise when you think of "real hip hop"? i think of premier right off the bat, then maybe like pete rock and then Diamond D's "stunts blunts & hip hop" but maybe that's just my age showing... anyway as much of I think of that as real, it's also a little meat n potatoesy bland like good, no question, but maybe like chuck berry or something in rock terms

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

marley marl

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

p diddy, dre, premo, ez elpee, the alchemist

― $$, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

basically it means 'dont be gay unless youre puffy'

― $$, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

see dre (from the chronic on) I see as being a little too self-contained - too much his own really identifiable thing - to be part of a "real hip hop" continuum

but then again i guess you could argue the same thing about premo

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

lil jon, dj paul & juicy j, dj toomp, carl mo

― $$, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Dre because that's what hip-hop sounded like to me as a kid, on the radio. RZA's beats have always really captured an essence of something for me too.

Modern rhythms = Timbaland.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Beatnuts, V.I.C. & Godfather Don

― angel duster, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dre, Sermon, RZA, Premier, Prince Paul, Alchemist, Havoc, Beatnuts...

I think I'm supposed to leave out Timbaland, JayDee, Madlib, Mannie Fresh even though theyre just as great as the "real" ones

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i only meant it as a personal thing - like what pops into YOUR head when you think of "real" hip hop - not exactly a measure of greatness per se.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

mannie fresh is real!! big ballin is one of the rawest examples of hiphop ever

― $$, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Spinna, Shawn J. Period, Evidence, Biz Markie, Large Professor, Scott La Rock, etc.

― scott m (mcd), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think of "real" anything anymore... :/

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

is that good or bad, do you think?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, GOOD!

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

There are exceptions of course when discussing music in a more historal/roots-thereof context, but as far as just subjective choices of music, "real" is just a distracting meaningless adjective to me.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i hear ya... but i think i still do think a bit in terms of realness, but it doesn't have to do with how much i like something

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Mannie Fresh rules, I'm not denying that, but he and Timbaland sort of brought in a new sound after I was already into hip-hop. I think they make much more challenging music than the older cats and therefore "real" rappers tend to sound a little funny with their beats. The Hot Boys rapped like no one else and I love the style Cash Money brought into hip hop but unfortunately I think a lot of hip hop fans including myself were brainwashed over the years into thinking being "real" and being a NY style rapper are the same thing.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

This is sorta pointless but hip hop production "home" for me is Large Pro, Diamond D, Q-Tip, Pete Rock, DJ Premier, and maybe RZA too.

― djdee2005, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You're sort of asking for the good-connotations "generic", right? I know exactly where you're coming from with the meat'n'potatoes thing though I know far too little to name any names.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Scott La Rock.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Jurassic 5 - Jurassic 5
Outkast - Speakerboxx/The Love Below (the best hip-hop album ever)
El-P - Fantastic Damage
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing
Blackalicious - Blazing Arrow
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
MC Paul Barman - Paullelujah

― I'm doing this just to annoy you (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who doesn't like 'Paul's Boutique' needs their head checked.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 11:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like Paul's Boutique, I find it a bit dull and pedestrian and the rapping isn't very good.

If we're talking good-connotation generic, surely Illmatic is a good touchstone? I mean, if you attempted to describe hip-hop to someone who'd never heard it before, they'd probably end up imagining something just like Illmatic.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If I was trying to describe hip-hop to someone who'd never heard it before they'd probably end up imagining something just like "Holiday Rap".

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 11:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone who doesn't like 'Paul's Boutique' needs their head checked.

Nooo! DO YOU SEE? It's a really clever pun!!!!!!! I haven't heard it in about 4 years, so I can't remember if it's any good. Certainly would have been better as an instrumental.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)

If you didn't get it, it's probably my ill communication DO YOU SEE????

― Enrique (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I had that record

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They'd imagine Young MC prob

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Young MC fucking ROOLZ.

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I like him a lot!

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Jay Dee (Jay Dilla) is on point

― iiitone (King Kobra), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

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― 33333, Thursday, 22 January 2004 08:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know that about Positive K either!

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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