"Will the Circle Remain Unbroken?" / Nitty Gritty Dirt Band - C/D

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I haven't managed to dig up any threads about these guys, but what do y'all think about "Will the Circle Remain Unbroken?" (There's a series of these releases I guess?)? I have had an old copy of the triple LP of this and finally tossed it on for a change of pace. I generally liked it, but it was mostly background music for reading in the dorm room.

Also, can someone tell me what the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band's other material sounded like? I have no idea how they were perceived back in their day.

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The song about coal miners

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 22 January 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

their first record is great... there's a thread out there that deals with this record for at least a few posts... let me search...

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess i'm wrong... ask shakey mo collier when he gets here, i think this LP was sitting on/near his turntable last time i dropped by his house.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Always been curious about the quality of this one since it's in the used vinyl bin constantly.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The studio chatter in between tracks is totally classic.

Some of the riffs would sound great over some killah beats. (Has anyone heard that Real Slow Radio CDR that is all noise/beats/country riffs?)

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic. A full country music education in 2 CDs.
Great performances, and a real homely spirituality pervading everything. I listened to it exclusively for about a month.
For some reason i haven't picked up the remastered edition yet, but i will now.

pete s, Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I love this record, my mom listened to it a lot when i was a kid. "dark as a dungeon" is fantastic.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn does it have a cool album cover.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Not as good as "Mr. Bojangles."

Possibly not even as good as "An American Dream" (I forget.)

chuck, Friday, 23 January 2004 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

huh, I was just talking this very album up to someone else today... I think it's genius from start to finish, if nothing else just for the *sound* they get, just beautifully layered but still crystal clear. So many great touches on the songs - clip-clopping sounds in the background, the between song chatter, hearing people step up and then away from the mic for their solos. I have the triple LP and oddly have no trouble listening to the whole thing in its entirety, even the sides that are all instrumentals. Search: Down in the Dungeon, the title track, Honky Tonkin', the Grand Ole Opry song, oh man sooooo great.

Oddly, I don't give a shit what any other Nitty Gritty Dirt Band albums sound like.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

there are also some interesting tidbits on this album in the Carter Family bio "Will You Miss Me When I'm Gone?" Generally Mother Maybelle comes out as every bit the reigning queen of country music, with everyone falling all over themselves to express their respect and devotion. The "Keep on the Sunny Side" take has a beautiful lilting dobro part (I think it's a dobro anyway...) Roy Acuff comes out sounding like a total uptight conservative asshole. It seems like this record was well received at the time - Rolling Stone dug it and documented it (their article is reprinted in the sleeve) and it seems like it was a genuine hippy-country crossover success, with mutual respect all around.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Uuuhh, i'm slightly confused, i was talking about 'Will The Circle Be Unbroken', as i thought was everyone else, but the title here says 'remain'. Is that one of the follow-up records?

pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he just got the title wrong in his initial post. (Haven't seen or heard any subsequent volumes meself).

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen 'Will the Circle Be Unbroken' vols II and III in the record stores.

pete s, Friday, 23 January 2004 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Undeniably CLASSIC.

How a bunch a low-life California hippies snafooed the likes of Roy Acuff has to be one of the best musical "your chocolate’s in my peanut butter" of the last century.

But they also got Banjo-pioneer Earl Scruggs, flat-picker's extraordinaire Doc Watson AND Merle Travis, matriarch Ma Carter, and the best damn fiddle player ever, Vassar Clements. The playlist was derived, basically, as each musician brought forth a collection of tunes from the way-back -- and they recorded it just as soon as they figured how they work through each piece. While it does have a fair bit of filler a 90-minute tape will bust at the seams when trying to pack every worthy track.

Volumes II and III of Will the Circle Be Unbroken, however, are pale shadows of the original and i'd recommend you avoid them entirely. I've heard a few other Dirt Band albums and maybe they're better at representing their true light; gutter trash, the original Will The Circle… is their only musical sortie of consequence – and damn fine (if not lucky) one at that.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 23 January 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"The "Keep on the Sunny Side" take has a beautiful lilting dobro part (I think it's a dobro anyway...) "

Actually I went back and listened to the album this morning, and the dobro part I was thinking of here is actually in "I Didn't Hear Nobody Pray", the drunk driving accident song ("There was whiskey and blood mixed together...")

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Shakey -- Yea, great tune, except it's called "Wreck On the Highway"

christoff (christoff), Friday, 23 January 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

this is what happens when I listen to taped copies with no track listings...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The original is a nice "starter" country record. A lot of different things, well played. But it has too much the air of a testimonial dinner about it. There are better versions of almost all this stuff.

Not That Chuck, Friday, 23 January 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me where these better versions are so I can hunt them down...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

For "folky" Merle Travis get "Folk Songs of the Hills." For the even better, and more fun, honky tonk Travis get "The Best of Merle Travis: Sweet Temptation." (There was a great Rhino Travis comp, but it seems to be out of print.)

For Roy Acuff get "The Essential Roy Acuff."

For Flatt and Scruggs get "The Complete Mercury Recordings" which are way more intense than any of their later work.

For the Original carter Family...and you definitely want the original with A.P. and Sara as well as Mother Maybelle get "Can the Circle be Unbroken? Country's First Family." Slightly later than their earliest recordings, but still great. (There was a Rounder complete carter Family series, but that seems to be out off print, too.)

Not That Chuck, Friday, 23 January 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes -- all great.

See also, Bill Monroe (duh) and Doc Watson who has released a whole bunch of fine sides on Vanguard

christoff (christoff), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks for the tip Chuck, I really did this stuff. I have Lester Flatt and Earl Scruggs' "Play the Songs of the Famous Carter Family" w/Mother Maybelle on it and really really dig it. (Coincidentally, this is also the album that inspired Rod McKuen to put together the "Will the Circle Be Unbroken" sessions).

I've got a couple volumes of some weird collection of early Carter Family recordings that came out in the mid-80s. It's black, with the classic photo of the three of them and song listings for all four volumes on the back of each sleeve. I do quite like these records in their way - they remind me more of the stuff Jack Bussard collects, or old folk comps - but I gotta say that for sound quality they definitely pale in comparison to later versions of the same song. But they've definitely got that spooky "old weird America" feel to them, and the vocals are fantastic, really what drives the songs and holds them together. Oddly, a lot of their more famous tuns ("Keep on the Sunny Side", "Will the Circle Be Unbroken", etc.) are not on these volumes. I think the most famous track is that song that Elvis covered...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

duh - "I really DIG this stuff"

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 January 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Carter Family Bio is a good read -- Ima pick up Will The Circle next time I see it.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 23 January 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Duh! Yes, Bill Monroe (especially when Flatt and Scruggs were in his band). Also, sound quality isn't great on the early stuff, but they more than make up for it in feel.

Never been much of a Doc watson guy. myself, the the Vanguards are definitely where to go.

Also, not related to the "Circle" album, but of course Hank Williams, Jimmie Rodgers (good comp on RCA), Lefty Frizzell, George Jones, etc.

Not That Chuck, Friday, 23 January 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Doc and Bill Monroe have a disc-full of tracks they performed over the years -- great stuff.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd900/d908/d90825dvssa.jpg

christoff (christoff), Monday, 26 January 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Ow-right, 'm gonna order me this Circle Unbroken mutha first thing tomorrow morning.

t**t, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

Why did I give these records to my ex girlfriend? UGH

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Mm, ya gave the records you liked to the person ya liked?

t**t, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

E2E4 also :(

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

Wot's that?

t**t, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

apps/hodgepodge/modules/view/templates/

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

errr: this -- http://www.discogs.com/release/303333

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

Ho-hoo...

t**t, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

ten months pass...

My head is exploding a little that the lifeline of this thread is JW.

mose def (kenan), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 03:49 (seventeen years ago)

John McEuen is a banjo God, btw.

I wish I could find online the picture of him and Steve Martin that's inside the triple gatefold of "Dirt Silver and Gold." You gotta love a dude who taught Steve Martin to play banjo.

mose def (kenan), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 04:05 (seventeen years ago)

Coincidinkly, Steve Martin has a new banjo record out today ... http://www.amazon.com/Crow-Songs-5-String-Amazon-Exclusive/dp/B001OC6PDE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1231524175&sr=8-1

flopearedmule, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 05:50 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

I gave my copy of this to an ex -- STUPID

harmonious family feast (Del Monte Young), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 21:19 (seventeen years ago)

silly rabbit

shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 21:39 (seventeen years ago)

http://greatest-hits-albums.blogspot.com/2007/05/nitty-gritty-dirt-band-will-circle-be.html

shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 21:40 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

the earlier, goofier NGDB records are pretty good. as they're playing i'm often thinking "this is kind of ridiculous," but then when the record's over i want to play it again.

what does an IAN think of the early NGDB records?

btw y'all knew that jackson browne was a founding member of this band, right?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 09:40 (fourteen years ago)

NGDB were my absolute favorite band in high school (distancing myself from the Zep and Sabbath crowd!) I started at Uncle Charlie, All The Good Times, and Circle and then worked back to collecting those older jugband-influenced records. Yeah, they're a little silly ("Teddybear's Picnic" etc.) but fun. NGDB were my gateway to Dan Hicks, Holy Modal Rounders, and lots of older country swing like Bob Wills. My band covers "Losin' You Might Be The Best Thing Yet" from Circle.

Prostetnic Vogon Limbaugh (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)


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