Sandra Tsing Loh fired from KCRW

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This sucks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

That makes no sense. Meanwhile Bono gets off scot-free, making him the Justin Timberlake figure

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

i wish i were the person at bbc online who rewrites reuters pieces almost word-for-word

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Smell that? Someone somewhere just set a pile of books on fire.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

what did she say?

"this bette middler fucking sucks"

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

it's in the reuters piece:

"My husband, my soul mate, my ROOMMATE of 15 years -- he sleeps LATE, doesn't LISTEN, moves my STUFF around. But he DOES play guitar for Bette Midler on her MASSIVE new STAGE show. There are times he STANDS within five FEET of her!," the script read. "So I guess I have to f*** him."

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

(i wonder WHY they DECIDED to TRANSCRIBE it that WAY)

morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

Sweet chariot!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"(i wonder WHY they DECIDED to TRANSCRIBE it that WAY)"
I'm sure that was Sandra's decision.

And can I humbly ask what this thread has to do with music?

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

because it involves musicians and people who work with music, maybe?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be sad about this if Sandra Tsing Loh wasn't so f***ing grating.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

"because it involves musicians and people who work with music, maybe?"
-does it?

I'm really just responding to this because I've been out of town and didn't want Ned to think I was too chicken to jump into the fray (I work at KCRW). Truthfully, it couldn't have been a huger mess with massive mistakes made by ALL.

And I think it's grotesque that Sandra mentioned the guilty engineer by name in the LA Times.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Thea, I didn't see the musician connection, either, at first. But in the story there's something about STL's husband playing guitar for Bette Midler. I'd've put it on ILE, but that's just me.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:21 (twenty years ago) link

Right I forgot about the Bette connection. The whole thing was idiotic and "those in charge" here realized it and apologized, asked her back, etc.

My husband used to write for LA Weekly and once called KCRW's General Manager the "Iron Whim". Now they adore each other, possibly because of this.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

I think it totally belongs on here, it's about non-talk radio and that in itself makes it ILM not ILE.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

"I'd've put it on ILE, but that's just me"

Yes. There's more to our friend ":-)" than meets the eye, eh Raggetty N-dee?

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

She pointed out she had just finished a five-part series on knitting.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

"I think it totally belongs on here, it's about non-talk radio and that in itself makes it ILM not ILE."
- Oh dear, I have no idea what this means. Please don't be exasperated.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe you guys should go have this FITE on the Mcsweeney's message board?

dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

There's more to our friend ":-)" than meets the eye, eh Raggetty N-dee?

It is part of my plot. So are you going to be able to escape the Stereolab venue for dinner beforehand with folks at Taco Mesa?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

Only if the establishment will pat everyone down before they enter and I remember to wear my flak-proof jacket. And I have secured Eric J as my human shield.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Hurrah! (Yes, Eric J has to come with or I will be sad.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

ILM: I Love Music, for music and related
ILE: I Love Everything, for everything and related

this could be on either comfortably, and is.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

kcrw is wack ASS except i like "this american life" and that really dorky game show they have on during the day.

Pablo Cruise (chaki), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

Chaki, you're needed on the Iron Maiden/Judas Priest thread revival.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Is Loh's KCRW show a music show? I guess I only know her from her Marketplace commentaries.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Glad it wasn't on ILE because I never go there, anyway! I was just trying to wind up ":-)"

And lord knows I wouldn't flatter Sing Blow by fighting about her. I must say the bolt of lightning was a shock to us all when it struck, including Zeus herself.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

and that really dorky game show they have on during the day.

Do you mean Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me? Or Whaddaya Know?

My best friend is an intern for This American Life!!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Thea, do you know Candace Moyer from KCRW?

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

Candace is my bud! I have her old job. Our desks are next to each other. She is my hero...I have the one job I would want at this station because of your mama.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:19 (twenty years ago) link

how'd you know? haha.

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Lucky guess. Why else would you ask? And as you know, Madame Moyer likes to shoot the sh_t, so I know her son's name and so much more! I've seen wedding photos, etc etc. Congratulations, btw

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:25 (twenty years ago) link

NEPOTISM. Of an indirect and happy sort.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

haha funny. thanks. thea, i'm glad for you taking over her job. the lady needs a break.

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

No, not "NEPOTISM", Ned! Jason's her son, not I. I just hovered for a year or more and made it known I was the man for the job.


Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

Oh I know, I just liked playing around with the idea.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

If Candace had adopted me I'd have had a much happier childhood, it's true. I'd have grown up skipping down the fluoro-lit halls of K-CREW making eyes at Chris Douridas instead of being jostled on steamy busses in rainy Vancouver, rotting my brain to NoMeansNo through the headphones.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 01:46 (twenty years ago) link

it was a nice childhood. but instead of NoMeansNo, you would have known all the lyrics to Soft Cell but not realized until you were older how dirty they were

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 02:05 (twenty years ago) link

For immediate release
Contact: Sarah Spitz (310) 450-5183

SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
IN THE MATTER OF SANDRA TSING LOH


Until now, public radio station KCRW has chosen to respond in limited fashion to reporters and concerned listeners about Sandra Tsing Loh's dismissal and the station's offer to re-hire her, which she rejected.

Out of deference to her personal situation, which she subsequently chose to make public in the media, KCRW provided only factual responses about the station's policy on indecent language and FCC regulations.

After much deliberation, KCRW has decided to release the letter that Ms. Loh faxed to General Manager Ruth Seymour on the day she was notified that her program "The Loh Life" was cancelled.

Less than 48 hours after writing this letter, Ms. Loh retained the services of a public relations firm. In the ensuing weeks, Ms. Loh and her representatives fanned a media storm with negative remarks about the station that led to personal attacks on its employees. She made misleading statements about her own culpability in using “indecent” language on the air.

Little more than a week later, KCRW offered to reinstate “The Loh Life.” Ms. Loh was to respond by the next day. Instead, she requested an extension over a weekend to make up her mind. That same night, Ms. Loh chose to appear on television, and never told the interviewer that she’d been offered her show back.

In her letter, Ms. Loh apologizes and takes full responsibility for her "foolish and ill-timed mistake." She expresses her gratitude to Ms Seymour for the success she's enjoyed because of her association with KCRW.

Ms. Seymour notes: "The discrepancy between the content and tone of this letter and the subsequent attacks on KCRW has yet to be explained. I guess Sandra figured that attacking KCRW gets far more attention than a 3-minute weekly commentary. Unfortunately this came at the expense of the station that had given her a home on the air for six years.”The letter reads as follows:

March 1st, 2004

Ruth Seymour
KCRW
1900 Pico Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90405

Dear Ruth,

I just want to say, once again, how deeply horrified I am about what occurred Sunday morning. While uttering an expletive over the air was the very opposite of my intention, I should not have placed another person in a "gatekeeper" capacity for my work. I genuinely hope KCRW will not suffer lasting negative effects due to my foolish and ill-time mistake.

I also wish to extend my apologies to (the recording engineer)...He is an excellent engineer, who I thoughtlessly--and unfairly--put in a professionally precarious situation. The responsibility for this disaster is mine, not his. While I myself have been fired, I hope that (the recording engineer) will be able to continue in his otherwise wonderfully productive career at KCRW.

On a personal note, I do remain extremely grateful for the long tenure I've had with you, and the valuable opportunities that have come my way because of my affiliation with your great station. I continue to wish you all the very best.

Sincerely,

Sandra Tsing Loh


Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

The firing is ridiculous on the stated merits, but given my brief exposure to Loh on tv, isn't it obvious that she's completely nuts?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

Well, many of us are. She's a little overly calculating to be just nuts, maybe.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

(I'm sad that no one commented on my fantastic joke waaaaaay up thread.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

(No, I noticed it, and it was good.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

by good, you mean horribly bad, right?

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Of course!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm glad we're all in agreement.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, it gets funnier every time I think about it. And it's the best thing about this thread.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

Still, it was hurtin'.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

fired from her marriage too

In the December issue of The Atlantic, author Sandra Tsing Loh discusses two books about the concept of bad mothers and expands a little on her current situation. Remember, in July she confessed in a discussion of marriage in the same magazine that she had recently had an affair that ended her married life. This time she writes:

I myself am not just an imperfect mother, I am a bad mother. I am bad not in that fluttery, anxious, 21st-century way educated middle-class mothers consider themselves “failures” because they snap when they are tired, because they occasionally feed their kids McNuggets, because as they journal they soulfully question whether they’re mindfully attaining a proper daily work/life balance. No, I am bad because after a domestic partnership of 20 years, when my kids were still elementary-school-age, I fell in love, had an affair, admitted it, and quite deservedly got tossed out of the house on my ass. Currently between homes (my earthly belongings reside in a 10-by-10-foot windowless U-Haul storage unit whilst I alternately house-sit, pool-sit, and cat-sit), I furtively park at the curb of my former home for an extra few minutes after dropping my kids off and, with my laptop, I steal wireless. Approaching 50, I am living a life that is less sunlit Waldman/Chabon than tattered Charles Bukowski.
In short, I am truly bad, in a 1970s way—that decade when women really were bad!

She also talks about the reaction to her earlier confession:

I’d thought mine was a sad but not atypical tale to cite in The Atlantic as a jumping-off point for a discussion about the state of modern American marriage, but … No!!! Oh, the shock, the outrage, the vitriol, the tying to the bumpers of and being dragged behind blogs large and small all across our fair nation! Oh, the plasterings with a scarlet A, the media stonings. I fielded so many horrified condolence calls after one particularly savage L.A. Times profile of me that I found myself plaintively asking a friend, “Don’t you think the word crucifixion is overused nowadays? Do we have to keep using the word crucifixion?” But what particularly surprised me was the ire of some of my own sisters in the chattering class—college-educated, affluent NPR listeners/New York Times readers. In the old days, for better or worse, members of this privileged demographic would have been on female liberation’s front lines. Now they were among the most censorious. “YOU MUST GO BACK HOME!” one girlfriend of mine (56, married, Boomer professional, no kids) typed in block letters. “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!”
“It feels like we’re living in the ’50s,” said Janet. At which point she downed her prosecco and exclaimed: “For God’s sake! When did people get so timid? In the ’70s people wouldn’t give a damn! Doesn’t anyone read Germaine Greer any more?”

velko, Saturday, 21 November 2009 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link

In good news, Ruth Seymour stepped down as general manager this week

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 21 November 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i have no idea who this person is but that passage made me feel bad for her - i feel always feel bad when people try to be clever & chatty about the horrible sad shit in their lives

a dimension you can only access through self-immolation (contenderizer), Saturday, 21 November 2009 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link

2004 ilx is so terrible

and then makes him speak only by rapping (he hates rap) (jeff), Saturday, 21 November 2009 06:25 (fourteen years ago) link

i have no idea who this person is but that passage made me feel bad for her - i feel always feel bad when people try to be clever & chatty about the horrible sad shit in their lives

― a dimension you can only access through self-immolation (contenderizer), Friday, November 20, 2009

And now you know who Sandra Tsing Loh is.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 21 November 2009 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Approaching 50, I am living a life that is less sunlit Waldman/Chabon than tattered Charles Bukowski.

She is hoping to be portrayed by Mickey Rourke.

President Keyes, Saturday, 21 November 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link

synchronicity from this week's New Yorker (11/23/09)

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6048/picture3hx.png

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Sunday, 22 November 2009 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

I’m not a KCRW listener, but thought this was kinda interesting (Bentley’s pretty straight-up about some things): https://variety.com/2019/music/news/jason-bentley-leaves-kcrw-exclusive-interview-1203243455/

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link


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