ATP05 - Conjectures and Rumours Thread.

Lazy bastards.

I say: Jarvis Cocker, Wayne Coyne and Cornelius. But then I would say that...

I would like either Will Oldham or Mouse on Mars to do it. Although I would have to demand that both of them had Shellac play.

Failing that, how about Danielson's themselves? It would at least be eclectic.

They should do a Shellac weekender every couple of years at the end of the summer with the stipuklation that he's not allowed to invite Arcwelder *again*.

I can understand why some people may not like them, though.

Back to the plot...someone suggested Belle and Sebastien in one of the other ATP threads, which is not a bad shout IMO. As long as I didn't have to listen to all of their set, I'd be happy to see them as curators.

Totally concur on Arcwelder. How about a standing rule that whoever curates has to invite Shellac? That would ensure I bought tickets every year.

re B&S: they did a thing called the Bowlie weekender at camber in 1999. Their website claims that this spawned ATP. I'm not too sure about the genealogy and the rumblings I've heard have implied something a bit dodgy on someone's part. If it did spawn ATP then why is it never mentioned in connection with it, in the press or in ATP's literature?

Lazy bastards."

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"Lazy eh? Buck-toothed, are we? Bony arms, are they? Liver spots, did we? Chinless, will you?"

It's Low and Fugazi next year, though I forget who told me that.

I'd actually like the Super Furry Animals to do it, you may be peering at your screen quizzically but I bet they'd choose a largely ILM-friendly bill (for better or worse). Not that I expect this to come to pass.

Wouldn't grumble one bit if Fugazi & Low did do next year, mind. Though Fugazi's name seems to crop up every year in some rumoured capacity, so..
Weren't Stereolab the 'curators' (or at least a headliner with Tindersticks) for the aborted first ATP 6 months after Bowlie, that had to be postponed as The Kidz were still saving up again after Bowlie/they hadn't sold enough tickets, which Mogwai eventually took control of by next Spring...? Can anyone remember who else were on the bill for that originally?

From the NME, of all places.

I think my explanation above is rubbish, and the more likely one (as backed up by a little research) is that having Bowlie was B&S's idea, but having it again was Foundation's.

And wouldn't the £100+ ticket price be about ninety-odd quid too much for a Fugazi show?

Plus have Faith No More reforming to close it all, with big smelly ugly Jim Martin back on guitar for one last hurrah/end-of-set beating & kit-trashing courtesy of the others
It could just be the insomnia but this seriously seems like the best idea ever right now...

GBV would be awesome. They should also establish a 3rd stage on the Beach or outside in the grounds somewhere. Perhaps with a salvation army band.

I was in the KitKat cafe for sunday lunch, it's that little old hut standing on the beach near the big car park. it's actually from the thirties and a cool little space inside. i was talking to the owner and i said they should host little gigs during ATP in there, and he said that it was too tiring cos they're getting up early. he smiled at the idea though.

the local people like that festival, well at least according to the taxi drivers and pub landlords:) they say it's never any trouble and brings business into the area.

I have no idea what music Guided By Voices like, apart from the obvious. It should be someone who is or has been quite vocal about their favourite music, I guess

Mencap - I just meant it would be cool to see GBV play at ATP. Bob Pollard is quite keen on early Genesis from what I remember.

Is Bob?

It's the School of Rock. One-two-three-four BIG SCHOOL!

Mike Patton - great idea, but Hogan's only ever looked at people he's promoted as curators. does he have past links with Patton?

Low - Zak left, but came back for the Radiohead tour. Current status is, as far as I'm aware, unknown, not least becasue their website has only had one update this year making me think they've split up.

Fugazi - I remember Bob Weston fielding a question on Fugazi at W1 2002, and saying that they had invited them but Fugazi had refused because they didn't do festivals on principle. On that basis, they seem unlikely as curators.

I'd love to see Daniel Smith curate it, but I think we're clutching at straws there.

I suspect a Flaming Lips or Mercury Rev curatorship is on the cards, but have no idea why I suspect this to be the case. I can only dream of a Neubauten curatorship, which I suspect would have some phenomenal acts at it.

Would Scott Walker do it if he didn't have to play?

So what I suggest is two weekends every year featuring six curators, all of whom will at some point have been produced by Albini but haven't got round to falling out with him yet.

22nd - 24th April -- the Chapman Brothers
29th April - 1st May -- Vincent Gallo

hmm will Gallo go all improv on us again?

Gallo will have all his hollywood chums (possibly)/post rock/Sonic Youth side projects maybe

As far as I’m aware, Mimi is pregnant so they’ve decided to spend some time putting together a rarities box set rather than working on anything new … although they may or may not have recorded an album earlier this year.

I wouldn’t expect to hear much from them until autumn/winter at the earliest. Certainly no shows.

They would be a great choice for ATP though, if you ask me.

THROBBING GRISTLE'S RE-TG EVENT POSTPONED TO 2005 AS ALL TOMORROW'S PARTIES UK GOES TO 3 CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS NEXT YEAR (THROBBING GRISTLE NOW JOIN JAKE & DINOS CHAPMAN AND VINCENT GALLO AS CURATORS)
FANS STILL GET THE CHANCE TO SEE THROBBING GRISTLE ON 16 MAY 2004 AND GO TO THEIR 2005 CURATED ATP
FESTIVAL

FOUNDATION / ATP on behalf of Throbbing Gristle are very sorry to have to announce that it will NOT be possible to present the RE~TG event as planned over 14 - 16 May 2004 at Camber Sands. Instead, the celebration of Industrial Music in the 21st Century will now be done as an ATP event over 15 - 17 April 2005, curated by Throbbing Gristle themselves.

To compensate, Throbbing Gristle are letting all people who bought tickets come FREE OF CHARGE to see them on the same day as they were due to play at RE-TG (Sunday 16th May 2004) at a secret London venue and will let them see them record their new album played live as a concert. Tickets will only be available to people who purchased tickets to the event. All tickets for RE-TG can also be be refunded at point of purchase or transferred to the Throbbing Gristle curated ATP weekend next year.

This means that there will now be 3 consecutive ATP weekends in 2005, with THROBBING GRISTLE joining JAKE & DINOS CHAPMAN and VINCENT GALLO in curating a weekend each. The dates are:

Week 1 - April 15-17 - curated by Throbbing Gristle
Week 2 - April 22-24  - curated by Jake & Dinos Chapman
Week 2 - April 29-May 1 - curated by Vincent Gallo

As Foundation/ ATP's Barry Hogan and RE-TG Manager Paul Smith says of the RE-TG event:

"Despite good sales for the event (in excess of 1600 tickets), unexpected cost rises and scheduling complications would have required the festival virtually to sell out before enough funds were generated to stage the RE~TG festival in the manner originally intended by T.G, Paul Smith and Foundation.

All ticket holders will be offered a FULL refund from point of purchase OR alternatively you can transfer your tickets to the TG-curated ATP weekend event at the same venue which is confirmed for April 15 - 17th 2005, at which TG have agreed to give their last ever concert performance.

All the other artists on the current RE-TG bill have been invited to play, and in addition we anticipate the participation of a number of yet-to-be-confirmed 'high-profile' special guests whose previous schedules did not allow them to take part in this year's festival.

TG have asked me to pass on their personal apologies to everyone for the obvious inconvenience these rearrangements will cause and to stress that this situation was NOT the band's doing.

Mindful that many people will have already booked travel to the UK from afar, TG have decided to invite all CURRENT ticket holders to a PRIVATE RECORDING SESSION at a secret location in central London on the AFTERNOON of Sunday May 16th (the same day they would have played at RE~TG ).

This invitation is FREE & ONLY available to current ticket holders and is offered regardless of whether you also select a full refund for your ticket money or you choose to transfer your ticket to ATP 2005.

RE~TG ticket holders will be notified directly and the details listed on the ATP and TG website in the next few days.

This recording session event will not be open to the general public.

The result of the recording will be a totally new TG work - and released as a TG DVD later in the year

Exclusive TG related artefacts, some which were intended for sale at RE~TG will be available exclusively for sale at the recording session.

All those concerned in the realisation of RE~TG are very sorry to disappoint all those who were looking forward to RE~TG event, and are working hard to make up, in whatever practical way we can, to overcome this otherwise insurmountable problem.

RE~TG has constantly suffered from scurrilous rumours of Throbbing Gristle playing at other events in various parts of the world.

Please be aware that TG will not be playing at ANY other events whatsoever & ATP at Camber Sands on 15-17 April 2005 is TG's only & final public performance."

Who do we reckon for 2006? ;)

Excellent.

It certainly makes next year harder to call, not having a fucking clue who either of the other curators might pick, so I guess my knee-jerk choice is for the TG weekend until I see some names attached to the others. This could really backfire on Foundation, I see a lot of people not buying tickets until lineups are announced.

"wow,

hopefully they will have all the child maequins on stage and then get michael jackson to play."

He played other gigs when he was around, and one of those featured a few members of Sonic Youth, performing one of his albums (I think When). It got some really good reviews.

I'm just worried that my joke, that he's going to make everyone buy one of his £70 t-shirts and wear it all weekend, might just come true

That's the problem with Vincent Gallo. You never know when he would have a rock star strop.

Sadly, I am holding out hope that Gallo brings some of his chums (who I like) along. I really don't like Gallo, though.

Can someone tell me about the others? Do the line ups only get announced very near the time?

This is all looking pretty lame at the moment.
TG are going to attract even more nerdy beard strokers!

I want:

Mike Patton: knows loads of great bands
Rick Rubin: Slayer, Masters of Reality, Beastie Boys...
Le Tigre: Awesome band + loads of girls!

The TG audience isn't likely to be 'nerdy' so much as sociopathic.

This could really backfire on Foundation, I see a lot of people not buying tickets until lineups are announced.

is the most wise thing written on here thus far. I mean, they must have been shitting it about RE:TG for weeks before finally deciding to pull it, so you think they'd take extra care for lightning not to strike twice.

I think the problem is that you have no real idea what to expect. It's one thing if a band curates, you decide whether you like them and second-guess what bands they like. This allows you to make enough of an informed decision. But modern artists?

Where did this whole 'ATP is two weekends thing come from anyway? I thought the first time it happened (Shellac) was just because the first one sold out so quickly, and this year was so they could get all the curators together? Given that this year (as with the Shellac year) they struggled to sell out both weekends actually choosing to stretch their public's funds across nearly a month, much less asking them to fork out over £500 on the off-chance there'll be something good, seems like commercial suicide to me.

So I'd have thought that there were enough people to fill up 2 weekends. Well definately more people who would like to go, than places if there was only one weekend.