How many music reviewers/journalists in here?

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The life of a music reviewer/journalist seems pretty dreamy, like a young Angela Lansbury. Errr ... anyways, seems like there are a lot of music journalists on this site. So, just wondering what the life of a music journalist is like? How did you get started, and how long have you been at it? As someone thinking about it, would you recommend journalism school or just practice writing?

Thanks so much for your thoughts ...

Gregory T (tubesocks), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

step away from the keyboard, there's nothing to see here.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

many men, many many many many men

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i think there were 16.23 at last count
but these things change so quickly

common_person, Friday, 16 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Four, but one of them reviews movies as well.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm one.

i started out by (a) doing a zine, from ages of 14/15 to...god, maybe 23 when I was done with college and too busy with work. in this zine i wrote about music. i read a lot of music magazines, focusing on reviews. got an internship with baltimore city paper in college and started writing for Lee G, who is now their main ed and posts here. internship ended continued writing sporadically for Lee until 2002 when I decided to get more serious. now i get promos every other day and am drowning in music and write for two other alt-weeklies and have little time to think about much else besides music, which is fine. it ain't what i do for a living, though.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 16 April 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i would not recommend it at all, seriously. it's hard work and shit money. you are looked upon as the lowest kind of freelancer, you have to deal with editors, who by definition (even the good, nice ones) are all a bit mad. you do get free music, mostly bad, which you can exchange for food, beer, occasionally sexual favours, but thanks to p2p this makes you feel abt as special as about 400 million other pc users the world over. if you still want to do it after this, and have abandoned all ambition to have good relationships, a normal life, own anything of worth etc then it's obvious you are completely insane, but as luck would have it, that's a useful starting point. read lots, write more and listen constantly. start with zines, local press, talk to editors etc, develop a thick skin, get used to rejection but make every piece better than the last and don't give up. do these things and you'll get there eventually. all the best.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

The life of a music reviewer/journalist seems pretty dreamy, like a young Angela Lansbury.

I told you to stop hitting the cough syrup so hard.

Lester Bangs:
Jesus of sippin' syrup, savant, muse and toper.

George Smith, Friday, 16 April 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

what stelfox said

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

You might not ever get rich
But let me tell you it's better than digging a ditch
There ain't no telling who you might meet
A moviestar or maybe even a pennyache

Come some of the work get's kind of hard
This ain't no place to be if you planned on being a star
Let me tell you it's always cool
And the boss don't mind sometimes if you act a fool

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

try being a movie reviewer

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

people actually review music?

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, and you can sometimes drink on the job. that's awesome. that's my favourite part, I think.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you can if you are a restaurant critic, for heaven's sake. this is much more sensible job!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

plus restaurant critics are sort of like spies. they have SECRETS!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

fat spies

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Paul Eater to thread!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

How many music reviewers/journalists are NOT in here?

39 Steps + 40 Winks (39 Steps + 40 Winks), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

too many

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks for the earnest responses. i kinda knew where this was going, but it's nice to hear the reinforcement and the personal stories. seems like you have to a reclusive kook to make it?

Gregory T (tubesocks), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

which is one of my life goals ...

Gregory T (tubesocks), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a restaurant critic too, this is a much better part of my job

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Slocki, you must link to your Punisher review.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

check the original thread in 2 seconds!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yup, the link just appeared!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I are a rock hack. I've been doing it since about 1996, and currently write for eight or nine places, three of 'em websites that don't pay a dime. I'm also the editor of a porn magazine. So on the worst day of my working life, I spend the whole day looking at pictures of naked women and listening to records I got for free in the mail.

I recommend becoming a rock hack. There's a pretty low threshold for entrance, no union dues, and low stakes since only a half dozen people really read what you're writing anyway, and their sputtering, outraged letters of response can often brighten up an otherwise crappy day. The trick is to become a specialist: write about one kind of music. This way, you can get on the promo lists of only the labels that put out music you like, and avoid getting a lot of really, really shitty records in the mail. I mostly write about metal and out jazz. Somehow, I wound up on the Arista list, so I get crap like Outkast and Usher sometimes, but otherwise, my mailbox is full of envelopes from Century Media and Relapse and Eremite and other quality labels.

One other good trick I have learned while being a rock hack is: deal with publicists only by phone and e-mail, whenever possible. This way they don't know what you look like, and you can get on the guest list and hang out at a show in peace without anybody coming up to talk to you about the next band they're gonna try to shove down your throat, or to complain about the review you wrote the week before, or whatever else. Facelessness is probably the best thing about being a critic. Embrace it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a pretty low threshold for entrance, no union dues, and low stakes since only a half dozen people really read
what you're writing anyway, and their sputtering, outraged letters of response can often brighten up an otherwise crappy day.

Yeah, hate mail is often the best mail you get. And music writers get great mail.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

(because it's music mail, duh)

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Stelfox nailed it way upthread.

I also started doing zines in my early teens (sounds like a Belle & Sebastian lyric), but before that, I was the 'Arts Editor' for something called the "Teen Advance" in my local paper. I wrote reviews of Pungent Stench, Bob Marley and Cycle Sluts From Hell, to name a few. I was 12. My mom still has the clips and I will post them here if I can procure them - the photo of me alone is pretty hilarious.

So you could say I've been writing 'professionally' for almost 15 years.

It totally sucks, and I've given it up many times (i'm currently on hiatus except for a few magazines that are dear to my heart).

At the height of my 'career,' I wrote a weekly column and wrote for six or seven publications. I was forced to get a job developing film, which pays $7/hr, because I couldn't pay my bills by writing. Naturally, after doing this full time for awhile, the last thing i wanted to do when I got home from a hard day's work was to have to sit down and write about why the Subtonix CD sucks. You time becomes too valuable for such piddling nonsense, and that PBR ain't gonna drink itself, yaknowhutumsayin?

One day you'll wake up, as I did, and realize that even if you reach the apex of your goal - say, editor in chief at a newspaper or magazine, with salary, benefits, etc - you still won't be making half as much as the folks who wave orange plastic flags at construction sites all day. Some job.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a good way to learn how to write, I still says.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 16 April 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I once wrote a review of Kid A. And fucking terrible it was, too.

the impossible shortest special path! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 16 April 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

It's fun and as it's a pointless profession you needn't feel any responsibility to anyone when you write!

mei (mei), Saturday, 17 April 2004 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck it, it's all gravy. Not makin'-a-living money, but it feels kinda special.

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 17 April 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

When I first started out, back in my university days, I was strictly thinking music. I ended up as a sportswriter who occasionally dabbles in the odd record review.

BanjoMania (Brilhante), Saturday, 17 April 2004 02:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I only got into it OFFICIALLY last year, mostly because of the inspirational existences of two whiteboys named Mark Richardson and Frank Kogan. Oh I just became a sub-editor last week which is odd seeing as how some weeks I can barely READ. lol this is gonna be fuuuuucked up

LC, Saturday, 17 April 2004 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure that this thread is partially responisble for me writing a lead today that went something like: "I'm a rock critic. I do cool shit every damn day."

Huck, Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a music reviewer but I play one on my blog.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd have a hard time working "shit" into one of my leads.
I have, however, gone the Mad magazine route with a few stories/reviews, using the $%^&#@ to get my point across.
And a local church group actually complained about the implied profanity.

BanjoMania (Brilhante), Saturday, 17 April 2004 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I find writing about music to be quite fun on occasion, I've never thought about attempting to get good at it or make money from it or anything.

ferg (Ferg), Saturday, 17 April 2004 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep getting random e-mails from bands thanking me for reviews and other bands wanting me to review them. And that's pretty cool!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I write reviews.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 17 April 2004 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Too fucking many".

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 17 April 2004 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I do this too. Even though my college advisor told me I was wasting my talent writing about music. I have occasionally supplemented my income by filing copy on other stuff as well. Life's been good to me so far.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 17 April 2004 07:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a retired music reviewer/journalist. Obviously.

lovebug starski, Saturday, 17 April 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I still write about music, but a bourgeois interest in making a decent living and an instinct to do more than just one thing pushed me in other directions: film criticism, book reviewing (which I do mostly these days, and which I enjoy most), humor writing, and tech/biz writing (which I like least and, naturally, pays the best). For a while I was full-time on-staff music journo, and the burnout factor was pretty high -- all those free Rhino box sets, yes, but a lot of shit records, the headaches of putting a section together and dealing with flaky writers, flacks and local bands often impolitely demanding coverage.

J-school? If you have the means, sure. But it's not a guarantee of anything, and nothing beats on-the-job training with good editors and the motivating pressure of real deadlines. It may just be a function of the writers I worked with, but j-school grads tend to have a more stilted writing style, leading to a lot of by-the-numbers reviewing ("On their second album, Band X's album features 12 new songs with their familiar guitar-bass-drums arrangements..."). J-school apparently teaches a lot, but humor and imagination isn't a big part of the mix.

Getting your foot in the door is always a unique process; there's no right way to do it (for me it was a matter of some dumb luck, meeting people, and a lot of sending clips around). But once there, impressing editors isn't that difficult. File on time, within the word count, and produce sensible prose. Doing music features? Here's a simple thing to do that writers are stunningly resistant to but which made my heart sing when it happened: make phone calls. You talked to the band, great. Did you talk to the producer? Label owner? A&R guy? Club owner who got them their first gig? A little bit of enterprise on your part invariably makes for better stories; that sort of access can be difficult with, say, 50 Cent, and flacks can be real pricks about this. But there's really no excuse not to do it on a local beat.

My apologies if this sounds too lecturing. Regardless, it can be worth it. Give it hell: A life of encyclopedic musical knowledge and grinding poverty awaits!

m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

m.e.a also completely otm. Good advice too

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 17 April 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I concur, m.e.a is OTM, sorta squares w/ my experience esp. the bit about j school. NONE of the reviewers/music journos I know & admire studied journalism-as-such, I don't think, and if they did it's been balanced w/real-life exp in writing& the musicbiz or both.

lovebug starski, Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Chiming in with another random thought -- I recall Xgau being downhearted in his most recent pazz/jop essay about the part-time reviewer, apparently implicitly wishing that said creature had more time to commit to the job to do it right/embrace the passion/understand better etc. As a part-time reviewer myself, in official employment terms, I was a touch miffed -- one can listen to as much music as a 'professional' and think about it as much away from some sort of formal staff writer job.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to be a part time music reviewer when I grow up.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Dream the impossible dream!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I know! I mean, not everyone is allowed. I still have to do my vision quest.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Paint your face with the appropriate earthen clays.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i reached a certain point where i was being paid quite well to write reviews by volume - and then it all went to hell. once you hop into bed with the big boys, you just start churning it out, eventually losing all touch with your critical faculties. in the end, the experience didn't diminish my interest in music. but i've been unable to recover the desire (or is it need?) to write about the stuff ever since.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Saturday, 17 April 2004 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

All good advice...especially m.e.a. and stelfox. The getting-your-foot-in-the-door part is totally different for everyone but usually involves getting some nicely written clips in a zine and then sending them to pretty much every mag you can think of, along with, of course, good pitches. Editors don't really need your clips as much as they need your story ideas. Once in, the absolute key to maintaining editorial relationships is getting your shit in on time and writing your shit in proper English.

Unless you live with mom, the only way it's gonna work at first, though, is with supplementary income (i took tech/biz writing gigs...seriously, a good way to make the bills go away and to practise writing for different audiences.) I'd say my best writing skills were developed while popping out a monthly column for a video production trade pub.

Anyhow, do what you love and the free CDs will follow... in truckloads.

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 17 April 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Just really wanted to say thanks to everyone who posted. It means a lot to hear real stories from people who've done the time. I want to do what I love, as cliche as it reads, and what I love is discovering music I haven't heard yet. So I guess I'll figure out the how-to as I go. Thanks for all the solid advice.

Gregory T (tubesocks), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I write for my college paper. I don't really like it, and I don't think I'm particularly good at it, but I was just tired of seeing amazing bands come to town and never get preview articles written because the staff writers hadn't heard of any of them.

Kevin Erickson, Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

haha this "free cd" thing seems largely apocryphal to me

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Just stick your address on the web, Strongo. Hey presto, lots of crap.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i think a better ? would be, how many people are *getting paid* to write reviews. cuz we all like think we are reviewers, no?

frankE, Sunday, 18 April 2004 07:26 (twenty-two years ago)


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