Who or what is 'Black Betty'

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As in that old song, "Wooah! Black Betty! Bamble-am', covered by Ram Jam, Nick Cave and recently Spiderbait. A car? A drug? A woman? My girlfriend swears it was a prison whip.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

like most of the terms associated with jazz.blues, and rock from US Black culture, it probably has several meanings/connotations at the same time. It usually works like this:
-euphemism for sex
-euphemism for a drugs

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a palm-sized electronic device jazz musicians use to talk jive with each other.

sexyDancer, Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!

The sticking point seems to be that couplet:

Black Betty had a child
Damn thing gone blind

Or have I got that lyric wrong? If I haven't, it seems to restict the range of interpretations.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

or its a person
case closed. that was easy

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Ram Jam the House version or a rock/funk version that I've heard a house remix of?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn! I thought this thread was about Ween's "Blackjack"!

BLACK JACK!!
BIG BLACK BETTY!
LITTLE SPANISH EDDIEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

(repeat about 5,822,613,275,907.06 times)

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, Ram Jam did the hard rock guitar version of the song, back in the 70s. The one that often gets played at sports stadiums.

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 18 April 2004 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

wasn't leadbelly the originator of the tune?

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Sunday, 18 April 2004 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, the original was Leadbelly. Thanks. Tom Jones has also covered it I think.

Also here's the full lyric. Black Betty's from Birmingham!

Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Black Betty had a child (Bam-ba-Lam)
The damn thing gone wild (Bam-ba-Lam)
She said, "I'm worryin' outta mind" (Bam-ba-Lam)
The damn thing gone blind (Bam-ba-Lam)
I said Oh, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

Oh, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
She really gets me high (Bam-ba-Lam)
You know that's no lie (Bam-ba-Lam)
She's so rock steady (Bam-ba-Lam)
And she's always ready (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
She's from Birmingham (Bam-ba-Lam)
Way down in Alabam' (Bam-ba-Lam)
Well, she's shakin' that thing (Bam-ba-Lam)
Boy, she makes me sing (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty BAM-BA-LAM


the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks, there's a house edit of the hard rock version that Mike Simonetti plays when we DJ together a lot, that seriously kicks people's ass.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

haha!
The sticking point seems to be that couplet:

Black Betty had a child
Damn thing gone blind

Or have I got that lyric wrong? If I haven't, it seems to restict the range of interpretations.

-- the music mole (colinsbarro...), April 18th, 2004.

But 'had a child' could be about anything that has consequences and ''gone blind' mitgh just mean those consequences were bad.

So it could still be practically anything.

mei (mei), Sunday, 18 April 2004 11:04 (twenty-two years ago)

That's my gf's argument! That's why she continues to insist that Black Betty is a notorious prison whip!

the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

She walks like Bo Diddley
She don't need no crutch

sexyDancer, Sunday, 18 April 2004 18:20 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
http://home.att.net/~bubblegumusic/rjportrait.jpg

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the house edit I spoke of is by dutch italo-disco/house producer Ben Liebrand, btw.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

thx I'm searching for it now!! i'm currently jammin' to the tom jones vers. :3

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
'black betty' is the name given to a whip that was used on black men in chain gangs in the 1900's (i'm not american nor a historian so i'm not sure of the exact date). they also used to sing the song 'black betty' to keep rhythm whilst they worked, to make production quicker. black slaves/chain gangs were notorious for their singing and songs.
the origin of song and the name of the whip goes back much further than that, to a story about a woman named 'betty' who was indeed black. she bore a child to her white employer. it was believed betty was the housemaid (again i can't be sure) and she refused to give up the baby and was going to tell the wife about it. there may be some different interpretations around about her being in love with this man and him not being in love with her as what's usually the case, the man just using their coloured empoloyees as companions in the bedroom. anyway, the story goes that there was an argument between the two and in the end he whipped her to death. i have heard another version where she was always whipped into silence about the child, hence it being 'wild' and 'blind' when born. word got out to the coloured community about this story hence why the whip was called betty and a song was made up.
the lyrics refer to both the story of the woman black betty and the affectionate term for the whip,

Black Betty had a child (with the white master)
The damn thing gone wild (because of mixed race)
She said, "I'm worryin' outta mind"
The damn thing gone blind (because of the beating before it was born)

what is about the story of the woman black betty.

She really gets me high (to an euphoric state, past pain)
You know that's no lie (black men are honest)
She's so rock steady (hard and never breaks)
And she's always ready (can whip at any time)

She's from Birmingham
Way down in Alabam' (the distance the whip has come/travelled, possibly with the chain gang or prison guards. could refer also to how far the song is sung)
Well, she's shakin' that thing (cracking of the whip)
Boy, she makes me sing (the whip makes them cry out)

are all referring to the whip.

i'm not sure how much of that is truth or embelishment or which one is actually true, and no amount of searching on the net will tell me anything about these stories.

if anyone out there has any information at all on the origin of the song or the whip please email me. thanks.

tmg, Saturday, 13 August 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

And all this time I assumed that it was just about fucking...

John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 13 August 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh wait. It is. My bad.

John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 13 August 2005 07:20 (twenty years ago)

my old rusting black vauxhall astra, which died after catching light while i was driving it to heathrow at 5am, was called 'black betty', after the song.

my careworn red vauxhall cavalier is now called 'cherry bomb', because cherries are red and the runaways' song is one of my all time favourites

stevie (stevie), Saturday, 13 August 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

like most of the terms associated with jazz.blues, and rock from US Black culture, it probably has several meanings/connotations at the same time. It usually works like this:
-euphemism for sex
-euphemism for a drugs

cute

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 13 August 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

What's with this euphemism shit? I figured Huddie Leadbetter was writing about exactly what it appears to be about - a sista named Betty.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Sunday, 14 August 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

Birmingham as such didn't really exist during slavery; it was an industrial town, product of the New South, ca. 1890s. But it fits the rhyme, and there were people in that valley. Dylan wrote a thing with the (bam-de-lam!)s in Tarantula :"Bloody had a baby (bam de lam!)." Far as I know, he didn't set it to music (but also, for all I know, it's playing on bobdylan.com right now). Brown Betty is a dessert.

don, Sunday, 14 August 2005 03:47 (twenty years ago)

There was a story about this not so long ago on Triple J FM's morning show. You may have to contact them to get more info.

http://www.triplej.net.au

They had a sample of a song that was sung by the negro workers in the USA, it would have been recorded pre 1950's by the sound of it.

Ram Jam had changed the lyrics, Black Betty was originally about a whip and possibly Ram Jam had turned Black Betty into a woman.

There was an uproar in the 70's when the song came out as not only was it seen to be degrading to single mothers but the woman in question was a negro - double minority.

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Stephen, Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

The Bam Ba Lam was not taken from the Bob Dylan song as the lyric was there in the original recording.

Bam Ba Lam was the sound the whip made when it cracked.

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Stephen, Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah,I didn't say he wrote it first; the song came first, and he took it from that, not atypically (folk process hey)

don, Thursday, 18 August 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)


Bwah ha ha ha ha haaaa.

The Popish Plot (dymaxia), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)


We need a new board: I Don't Know Everything

The Popish Plot (dymaxia), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

or: "I'm Not Expected to Know Everything, am I?"

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

There was an uproar in the 70's when the song came out as not only was it seen to be degrading to single mothers but the woman in question was a negro - double minority.

Where was the uproar, exactly? I was there when it was a "hit" on radio and don't recall any such thing. Ram Jam's album with "Black Betty" on it wasn't a particularly hot seller and was a product of the Kasenetz-Katz production team, the same people who gave us the 1910 Fruitgum Company. The album itself is a fairly good representation of meat and potatoes redneck rock. Actually smarter in execution than the remake of "Dukes of Hazzard" it has been revived by.

Basic song themes on from Ram Jam -- "Too Bad on Your Birthday," "Hey Boogie Woman," "All for the Love of Rock 'n' Roll," "No One Can Do What You Do to Me Honey (When You're Right On the Money)." Stereotypical, excellently performed, roadhouse biker rock.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)

Black Betty is a pair of sunglasses that won't make a hole in your wallet!

(http://thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi)

OleM (OleM), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

George, the uproar to Ram Jam's version came from the NAACP and CORE (Congress of Racial Equality) who claimed that it insulted black women. They called for a boycott of the song (by consumers, radio DJs, etc).

paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

the uproar to Ram Jam's version came from the NAACP and CORE (Congress of Racial Equality) who claimed that it insulted black women. They called for a boycott of the song (by consumers, radio DJs, etc).

That being the case, they were obviously so successful virtually no one paid attention to them. "Black Betty" was and is still embedded in classic rock radio in portions of the country. First album sold the best but wasn't spectacular, which seemed to have the result that Kasenetz-Katz completely changed the line-up of ringers in the act in producing a second album, "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Ram." KK turned Ram Jam into a far more over the top pop metal act and that record sold much less although HM critics tend to give it love when they hear it.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Incidentally, both of those fairly solid LPs can be found in their entirety on the accurately-titled The Very Best Of Ram Jam, an Epic German reissue ("Mit Ausführlicher Biographie"!) currently clogging up the racks at a drugstore near you.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 19 August 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I'll have to look for that. (Probably seen it ten times without noticing, my mynd now hints.) I was kind of hoping Dylan was going pop metal, when he started wearing leathers, and posing on his motorcyle again. It was the 80s, and he did seem to be trying for hits again, so. (Maybe I should also consult drogstore for Real Live, where he looks like a bordertown drag king on the cover? Xgau: "strapping Mick Taylor to a locomotive"--Bam De Lam!)

don, Friday, 19 August 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

This week dragged out the Ram Jam collection Myonga referenced. Listened to it a few times and found on the web "Black Betty" had actually gone to #18 in the US as a single. Bill Blauvelt, the singer, I guess, was said to have been in the Lemon Pipers. Anyway, he made the first album good, and it contains a cover of the Tuff Darts' "All for the Love of Rock 'n' Roll." "Black Betty's" B-side appears to have gone into the oblivion, don't recall the title.

The second album kicks off with "The Kid Next Door" which purely smokes. Utterly strange transition and I'll be damned if I here Blauvelt anywhere on the second, not that it mattered to the party.

You know, I like Ram Jam so much even the association of that actor fool who played Stifler, the guy who ate the excrement of a dog in "American Wedding," can't ruin it.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 19 August 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

That last sentence would make a good blurb for the reissue. Where on the Web did you find about its being Number 18?

don, Friday, 19 August 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Here:

http://home.att.net/~bubblegumusic/ramjam.htm

And here, from a seller of the original 45:
Black Betty/ I Should Have Known by Ram Jam
Label: Epic 50357
Year: 1977
Factory sleeve included
Condition: M-
$8.00
No images available.
Chart info: #18p in June 1977
Condition Detail:
Label: M- Vinyl: M- Audio: M
Written by: H. Ledbetter (A), W. Bartlett (B)
Produced by: Kasenetz-Katz (A), W. Bartlett (B)

It being the web, caveats apply. But it sounds reasonable.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 19 August 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I messed up the credits upstream. Bartlett was the guy from the Lemon Pipers who made the first album good. Blauvelt was in the band but had his own different history.

George the Animal Steele, Friday, 19 August 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
Apparently we now know what it is about and it is racist.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183133,00.html

Black Betty

The University of New Hampshire has stopped playing the song "Black Betty" at its hockey games after someone complained that it was "theoretically racist," reports the The New Hampshire Online.

The song by Ram Jam, which has been a staple of UNH games for years, was quietly discontinued recently following complaints from someone "significant." The school would not say who that someone was.

The Ram Jam version of the song is a cover of a song originally recorded by the blues legend Leadbelly in the early 20th century.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 13 February 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
http://www.freeblackbetty.com/

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Sunday, 26 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

bambelam

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 March 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

It's spelled "Bam-a-lam"!!!

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Sunday, 26 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Oh, and I messed up the credits upstream. Bartlett was the guy from the Lemon Pipers who made the first album good

It is indeed the same guy. Guitarist on "Green Tambourine", vocals/guitar on "Black Betty" and obviously way more into the latter than the former.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po0CDHbnI4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2D8Eo15wE

biting your uncles (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 19:27 (one year ago)

I was confronted after singing this recently at karaoke that this was a racist song and i shouldnt sing it anymore

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:20 (one year ago)

They'd be ok with "White Christmas" though?

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:25 (one year ago)

I was confronted after singing this recently at karaoke that this was a racist song and i shouldnt sing it anymore


Nick Cave did a cover of it, and you think he sucks now so … probably wise to remove from yr repertoire

sarahell, Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:31 (one year ago)

Bill Bartlett had been in the Lemon Pipers and then formed a group called Starstruck. While in Starstruck, Bartlett took Lead Belly's 59-second long "Black Betty" and arranged, recorded and released it on the group's own TruckStar label. "Black Betty" became a regional hit. Producers Jerry Kasenetz and Jeffry Katz in New York formed a group around Bartlett called Ram Jam. They re-released the song, and it became a hit nationally. The Ram Jam version was actually the same one originally recorded by Starstruck (albeit significantly edited to rearrange the song structure). The song became an instant hit with listeners, and reached number 18 on the singles charts in the United States and achieved more success in the UK and Australia reaching the top ten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73T5EJmaS4

this train don't carry no wankers (doo rag), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:55 (one year ago)

*(from wikipedia)

this train don't carry no wankers (doo rag), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:55 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPIuxH_uitU

this train don't carry no wankers (doo rag), Wednesday, 6 November 2024 20:56 (one year ago)

So I guess it was the Truckstar version of "Black Betty" that got FM airplay in Cincinnati when I was in high school circa 1975. I thought it was kind of annoying tbh.

mom jeans VS yacht rock (m coleman), Friday, 8 November 2024 17:02 (one year ago)

it's funny to watch the video for Black Betty and remember that the guy on the left playing tambourine is actually the lead singer of Ram Jam and is not actually featured on this cut-up version of a record by his guitarist's previous group, which would turn out to be their only hit.

John Backflip (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 8 November 2024 17:12 (one year ago)

Similarly I appreciate the audacity of the second Ram Jam album apparently being the work of a completely different band, or a different singer with studio musicians - the Buddha Records/bubblegum aesthetic applied to hard rock. Researching the disco era several years ago, I was stuck by how many DJ playlists included Ram Jam's "Black Betty."

mom jeans VS yacht rock (m coleman), Friday, 8 November 2024 17:24 (one year ago)


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