What's the best Venom album then?

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I have Black Metal.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I just have Welcome To Hell. I can't claim it's the best as it's the only one I've heard, but I'd imagine it to be essential, if only cause it has "In League With Satan" on it. And other almost as good tunes.

― Daniel DiMAGGIO (Daniel DiMAGGIO), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

1.Welcome To Hell
2.Black Metal
3.At War With Satan
4.Possessed
5.Eine Kleine Nachtmusik
6.Cast In Stone
7.Resurrection
8.Prime Evil
...don't bother any further

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Metal is pretty much the only one worth owning.

― abegrand, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 07:56 (twenty-two years ago)

ecstatic peace 7"

― autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

"black metal" is regarded as the classic, but "welcome to hell" is my personal favorite - great production, the band were just foaming at the mouth with enthusiasm. definitely get the castle reissue with the bonus tracks, i think "in league with satan" is on there.

"at war with satan" is good if you have a tolerance for the ridiculous; but then, we're talking about venom...

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

At War With Satan is the most representative of what Venom meant at the time, I think, in all their cartoonesque glory.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Welcome To Hell and Black Metal rule. At War With Satan is v. funny cos they were trying to outdo Rush and make a full-blown progressive rock album. I haven't heard any other albums, but the 7th Date Of Hell live video is classic too.

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The best Venom performance is the one that ended up on a Celebrities At Their Worst, where a creative soundboard guy edited out all the music down to a couple of feedback bursts and kept all of the between-song ranting from the front guy, which is rough voiced and ridiculous. It also has the salutory effect of making the actual five-second 'songs' sound like Wire.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't that the same thing as the ecstatic peace 7"?

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Welcome to Hell: #379 in Stairway to Hell
Black Metal: #391 in Stairway to Hell

I haven't listened to either since the book first came out, though.

― chuck, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Siegbran nails it, though the first three are on peaks far above the rest.

Welcome to Hell / Black Metal are modern rock essentials.

There are numerous limited EPs from the early era, too, most of them great: "Warhead," "Die Hard," "Manitou."

The B-side of the "Bloodlust" single, "In Nomine Satanas" is some funky devil shit.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't that the same thing as the ecstatic peace 7"?

It could well be!

"This song is called 'CHANTING...of the PRIESTS!'"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

If you would've asked my 13-year-old-self this question, I would've said At War With Satan, without question.

Looking back with older ears, though, I'd have to say Black Metal is the jump off and then Welcome To Hell next album worthy of your attention

― Randy Reiss (undeadsinatra), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

this is really pushing me towards starting the "bands what sound like VENOM" thread i've been dying to. warfare, n.m.e., of cabbages and kings (first ep) to thread, etc, etc.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:26 (twenty-two years ago)

At War With Satan, of course.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

You should probably get Welcome To Hell, and it seems like I recall a 4-song EP that was really good too - but maybe not...

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

More bands what sound like Venom :

early Voivod
Bathory
Discharge
Antisect

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

HELLHAMMER

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you everyone, helpful as ever.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no, no, that REALLY sound like venom. oh yeah, amebix!

has anyone heard the warfare stuff? it's like venom mixed with more songy, beer-swinging, stompy punk hooks and music.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Looking back with older ears, though, I'd have to say Black Metal is the jump off and then Welcome To Hell next album worthy of your attention

-- Randy Reiss

I've taken your advice randy.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Warfare, yargh. They're ex-Tank and Damned guys, covered "Two Tribes." Yargh.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

you mean 'yargh' in a good way, right?

(they also covered "addicted to love," but covers...eh.)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ex-Tank and Damned? You mean that's where Algy Ward ended up?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

so i picked up "calm before the storm" on the cheap. i recall hating it when it came out, but now i'm kind of digging the more straightforward heavy metal guitars (they even make those little squeaky harmonic 'weaahhh' noises on 'em) and songwriting with cronos-as-usual.

should i search the cronos solo albums? and yes, i am aware i'm heading down a dark alley on this one...

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant "yargh" in a squinty sound effect way, didn't realize it might look bad two months later. Yaaarghot!

Maybe I'm wrong about Algy Ward -- he produced Warfare, but I don't think he was in the band. He later had a band called Warhead with somebody ex-Warfare and wurzel from Motorhead. Don't know if it was bar rock or pure fukking armageddon.

All these guys plus Cronos are on the amazing "Sport Alive" benefit 12" for victims of soccer hooligans, as is Doro Pesch, Lemmy, Rogue Male, and a couple drunkards from Girlschool. Too bad the songwriter/lyricist was an Italian with limited grasp of English! Another metal masterpiece from my revered Mausoleum label.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the amazing "Sport Alive" benefit 12" for victims of soccer hooligans

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 18 June 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

my sentiments exactly, s de g - I mean I'm familiar with Hear 'n' Aid but this "Sport Alive" sounds like the troo kult metal benefit record

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

also, were the Celtic Frost reissues worth picking up - did they remaster 'em in a way that made the whole thing worthwhile? I feel like there's a lot of metal from this era that could really benefit from a remaster/repackage treatment, and I know there's a fair handful of good writers who'd probably jump at the chance to write liner notes, but tweaked-out super-trill reissues seem limited to auteurist crap so far

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Major annoyance at metal gigs in the 1980's - "I wonder who the support band's going to be" "Oh fuck, not tank AGAIN" worst, when hanoi rocks pulled out of a support iirc w/twisted sister, and got replaced by - yes" tank, who we'd already seen about 17 times. they were like the metal senseless things for a while

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

are we talking pre-"We're Not Gonna Take It" TS? 'cause if so you got completely robbed, I mean if you'd have added White Sister to that bill you'd've had one of the all-time classic gigs

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it was the first uk tour, and the lineup was TS and Hanoi Rocks, in Sunderland! However, one of HR made some snidey comment abt TS, and dee snider threatened to beat them up. so they dropped hanoi, and got fucking TANK in instead!!

I went to see Hanoi Rocks on their own tour a couple of months later w/the original drummer, "gyp casino" iirc. they looked pretty fucking scummy. they were great, and would have blown TS off the stage, good tho' TS were.

A couple of years later, I saw HR's final tour, w/the Johnny Thunders band supporting. We went home after 2 hanoi numbers, they were sounding awfully tired by then, abd Thunders band was AWESOME.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

the NY-Dolls-damaged first-wave-of-the-second-wave-of-glam ppl I knew in SoCal went into the most beautiful public sulk when Dazzle (Razzle? can't remember) died - Hanoi Rocks was like the great hope of the future for those people

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Razzle. You can thank Vince Neil for his demise.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. the second time I saw Hanoi Rocks, they did this encore of "Blitzkreig Bop" with Razzle singing, and Mike Monroe attempting to play drums!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 18 June 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah I remembered the death - I lived in southern California at the time, it was a big deal! and we got to hear local news anchors saying "Hanoi Rocks," which, while no consolation for the loss, still gave us giggle fits

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 18 June 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

also, were the Celtic Frost reissues worth picking up - did they remaster 'em in a way that made the whole thing worthwhile?

i've only got "to mega therion" as a remaster - the sound is slightly better but not really worth buying again if you've already got it on cd. they also replace "usurper" and "jewel throne" with the "tragic serenades" remixed versions and include "return to the eve (1985 studio jam version)" as a bonus track. and the liner notes are in unindented, unbroken 6 point type.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 18 June 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

British black metal veterans Venom return:

VENOM - New Studio Album Due Early 2005
http://www.bravewords.com/news.html?id=16856

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm acting excited!

(i'll even buy it if cronos promises to get rid of that shirt.)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Unholy Shit!!!!

Thanks for that, DJ!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait. No Mantas and No Abbadon. It's just the Cronos show.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be their, uh, fifth comeback?

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

is it a comeback if no one likes it?

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

*ner ner nerwababaleabalegwaernyerrrrrrrrrrrr* *cheers*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 August 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

you know, you've heard some rumours out here that, ah, venom have packed in, yes? venom are supposed to be finished?

...

WELL WE'RE RECORDING A FUCKING NEW ALBUM NOW!

― haitch, Monday, 19 November 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

for ur edification: 'venom live at city gardens'

― haitch, Monday, 19 November 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

seven years pass...

I feel like I go forever without listening to these guys and then I hear "Black Metal" playing in a bar in Tampa and it's like, I'm ....aroused?

― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 7 February 2015 17:40 (eleven years ago)

yeah, they're definitely the kind of band you feel in your pants

― contenderizer, Saturday, 7 February 2015 21:31 (eleven years ago)

From Hell to the crotch.

― master shammer (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 7 February 2015 21:37 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

in "Teacher's Pet", how the fuck was Cronos jerking it without any other classmates knowing and complaining

― Neanderthal, Saturday, 26 August 2017 21:26 (eight years ago)

He's furtive.

― Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 26 August 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)

listening to "At War with Satan" and it's goofy fun but I've thought the title track was over like 5 times already

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 31 August 2017 03:53 (eight years ago)

Dude the genius of the composition is that the end is the beginning but switched

DO YOU SEE

― Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 31 August 2017 05:35 (eight years ago)

I love that album

― Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 31 August 2017 05:36 (eight years ago)

it's delightfully ridiculous.

LIKE SATAN

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 31 August 2017 05:40 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

if you like Prime Evil, they are playing quite a few songs from it on the Venom Inc tour since it's that lineup.

it's also a kickass show and you should go.

― Neanderthal, Monday, 2 October 2017 23:16 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

so they have an album called Metal Black.

were they trying to confused fans who were drunk and/or high into buying the wrong album

― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 August 2020 00:40 (five years ago)

It's kind of like Fear The Record and The Fear Record except it's not just re-recordings of Black Metal

― With deep regret I remove my bookmark from this thread (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:55 (five years ago)

Not a fan but it seemed like a good place to share...in the mid 80s I once saw Cronos at a zebra crossing in Newcastle.

― Grantman, Monday, 17 August 2020 12:07 (five years ago)

was he wearing red leather?

― With deep regret I remove my bookmark from this thread (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:15 (five years ago)

three years pass...

Welcome to Hell > Black Metal

REASONS

1) "Angel Dust" - fast, sloppy, and ferocious
2) proto-trash like "Witching Hour"
3) better production (it's louder and more in your face without sacrificing that rawness)
4) "Buried Alive" is boring

but I love both

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 February 2024 05:17 (two years ago)

Welcome To Hell is my favourite too, for similar reasons

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 15 February 2024 10:02 (two years ago)

Is the Neat stuff all you need? I see there are a couple of different 2CD compilations around and had been thinking of grabbing one for a while.
Had the 91 compilation since the mid 90s and quite enjoyed it.
So had been wondering what best way of updating from that would be.

― Stevo, Thursday, 15 February 2024 11:40 (two years ago)

the only post-Neat album I've heard is Prime Evil which is OK but I wasn't really into it

― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 15 February 2024 11:45 (two years ago)

They made a lot of good albums after the original 4-album run on Neat - Calm Before The Storm, Prime Evil, The Waste Lands, Cast In Stone, Resurrection, Metal Black, From The Very Depths, all well worth hearing. I mean, we're not talking genre classics here but nothing for any of them to be embarrassed about.

― Siegbran, Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:30 (two years ago)

Just put on From The Very Depths again - yeah just as I remembered, it kicks ass.

― Siegbran, Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:45 (two years ago)

(needless to say, 20-year-younger me was somewhat wrong upthread)

― Siegbran, Thursday, 15 February 2024 15:51 (two years ago)

totally missed that Abaddon has lymphoma now :(

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 15 February 2024 16:01 (two years ago)

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