Help Me Find Nice Things To Say About Music I Don't Like

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I am trying to write positively about a couple musicians that I am supposed to write about for the college paper this week.

Please, help me find something nice to say about

http://cdbaby.com/cd/magdalen

and

http://www.jefftillinghast.com

Kevin Erickson, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are you "trying to write positively" about them? Did they buy ad space or something?

When in doubt....just be vague: "They're the type of thing you like if you like that type of thing!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, you write for a student newspaper in the music section? Right, remember the following:

1) Everyone on the planet has exactly the same experiences as you, so if they hold a different opinion, they must be an idiot
2) Everyone likes a gag. Crack wise on how there are a large number of bands nowadays called The (Something)
3) Be sure to point out how reality TV is killing off real music
4) If it has guitars in it, it sounds like The Strokes
5) Unless it's acoustic. Then it sounds like Belle and Sebastian
6) Spell-checking is for pussies.
7) Refer to the editor by his first name. That creates an informal atmosphere that's perfectly welcoming to an outsider
8) All albums should be rated 8/10.
9) Unless it's "The Grey Album". That saved hip-hop.
10) Man, that Coldplay are one miserable bunch of guys!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

11) Make sure to review live gigs of campus bands that your mate plays bass in. Be sure to comment how they've got "A and R" interest
12) When you've finished off complaining about how reality TV is killing music, start off complaining about the NME. It shows that you're independant.
13) Never bother to virus check your PC, and then send all reviews as a Word attachment through e-mail
14) Deadlines mean nothing. You can submit something four hours before the paper comes back from the printers, and it'll probably get published
15) If your review doesn't get published, this is because the editor hates you personally. Be sure to cause bloody revenge on his kin.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

16) Editors of music sections, being as they usually are massively social creatures with well-rounded out private lives, have lots and lots of friends who they give CDs out to. Why not trying complaining about this when you're not given the new Hoobastank LP to review?
17) In a singles column of roughly 400 words, it's always a good idea to devote 300 words of that to the White Stripes, and dismiss the rest of the records with quips like "Groove Armada? Groove Rubbish, more like"
18) Avril Lavigne is kinda like Alanis Morrissette, isn't she? Because, like, they're from Canada, I think.
19) If you're the one person in the section that likes pop music, make sure that you spend 400 words in every review apologising for owning a Blue album. Say things like "They may not be as "edgy" as Oasis or The Choral, but it's fun!"
20) Yes, we do need a seperate section for dance music/jazz/The Vines.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

21)Be sure to include "I" and "Me" in all live reviews, if you stop writing like primary school "my summer holidays" essays you have failed.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

22. Live reviews should begin with a description of your walk to the venue

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"As far as I know, Artist X has never eaten the flesh of its own young."

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

24) Gangsta rap is a genre that still exists. Why not trying proving that you're "down" "with" "the" "kids" by referring to some contemporary gangsta acts, such as 50 Cent, the Black Eyed Peas, or Abs.
25) So Solid Crew sure do have a lot of members!
26) If the review is being written in March, it's always a good idea to refer to the album as being "perfect for the summer", irrespective of what it actually sounds like
27) Alternative music socities are an essential part of campus life, and provide diverse, well-rounded forums for people to learn about new and challenging music. Be sure to join one before starting any reviews
28) If your editor has sweated blood and tears, spending in excess of three hours on the phone to around 13 different people to get you tickets to the hot new guitar band, why not try submitting a 113 word review, which mainly focusses on the bass player's fringe?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

29. When reviewing dance records, make every effort to appear that you are talking about obscure martian geology theories. Alternatively do a passable imitation of a grandad, eg "this one should have the 'ravers' 'bopping' in their 'manumissions'"

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

This is why I love Dom.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

30. The best place to learn about new music is CD:UK Hotshots

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

31. You may wish to become music editor yourself one day. The best way to go around this is to never turn up to any meetings, submit any reviews, and then complain a lot when the outgoing editor appoints someone who has a fucking clue

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

32. Have you heard of this great new band called Saian Super Cru?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

33. Reviews of chillout albums should feature lots of wacky references to "smoking". Show what a rebellious non-conformist you are, whilst reviewing an album that consists entirely of light-trance reworkings of "Yellow".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

34. When tackling local Battle of the Bands contests, remember that your newspaper has a wide, influential audience that can make or break a band's career, and so any negative words about the acts should be avoided, lest it send them into suicidal depression

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Chart Job Opening
Tuesday April 20, 2004 @ 04:30 PM
By: ChartAttack.com Staff

Chart has an opening in its editorial department for a reviews editor, responsible for
all music reviews.

Duties include managing music submissions, assigning reviews, writing, editing,
administrative duties and being an active participant in the music community by
regularly attending shows and events.

Candidate must possess extensive knowledge of Canadian and international artists
and labels. A broad base of interest in various musical genres is key. Also required:
music writing experience, excellent writing and editing skills, superior organizational
and communication skills, ability to meet deadlines and manage time effectively. A
positive, personable attitude, excellent people skills and the ability to work well with
others in a team environment is essential.

Mail cover letter and resume to Human Resources, Chart Magazine, 41 Britain St.,
Suite 200, Toronto ON M5A 1R7. Or email — no attachments please! — to
[email protected].

Deadline for submissions is April 23, 2004.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

35. If you have a problem with your editor, don't bother e-mailing him with it. Instead, post about him on your blog, and don't bother to Googleproof it. This will solve any disagreement you may have.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

36. It is illegal to give any indie band from Scotland a review under 8/10.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

37. DRESS CODE: when attending music meetings, Incubus hoodies are MANDATORY.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

38) Remember, if you DON'T like the music, you are biased and are not supporting the scene. Vague threats of violence toward you will follow, but will rarely if ever be backed up by action.

mike a, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom,

marginally funny, but not helpful.

I'm trying to be positive, so as to not alienate people. My college is small (1400 students) and in a small town, and I am the first music writer they've ever had. My ability to get people to come to shows that I'm actually really excited about hinges on my audience not thinking that I'm one of those "elitist indie snobs".

I've already met my self-imposed bad review quota for my negative coverage of a band called CrB (which is a clever abbreviation for "Campus Rock Band", I shit you not)

Somebody go listen to those mp3s and tell me something nice i can say. Please, I'm desperate.

Kevin Erickson, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Some "nice" things to say about music you hate:

39) it's "at least better than that American Idol crap"
40) the band is very "tight," e.g. they can actually play together
41) you could always talk approvingly about their musical equipment, e.g. "the guitarist plays a really cool silver sparkly Danelectro"
42) "they're really nice guys"

All of which means "this sucks, don't get anywhere near it," but at least mitigates the aforementioned threat.

mike a, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Dom, you are alarmingly good at this.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

(oh god, some of my RECENT live reviews begin with my walk to the venue. busted!)

mike a, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

bad review quota
then write about something good. you're not doing a service to ANYONE by pretending something's good. Get someone else to write about them. Y'know, take on an apprentice. Quit being a hog!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

He *must* have it stored somewhere. This is all familiar as day to me but I couldn't reel it off with this sort of ruthless efficency...

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlie, I've sweated in the salt-mines of student music writing for so long. It's like The Office, except with 50 Gareths and you're Tim.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

43) No need to write an actual headline. Just randomly pull out a sentence from the review that makes no sense out of context, and use that.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

44) Scanned album covers make for really good large images to accompany text, especially if the album cover doesn't actually feature the band.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

45) When you can't think of anything good OR bad to say, fall back on objective description. Don't feel the need to express an opinion if you honestly don't have one (not meant to be a joke - I've used this trick more than once).

mike a, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

then write about something good. you're not doing a service to ANYONE by pretending something's good. Get someone else to write about them. Y'know, take on an apprentice. Quit being a hog!

I generally spend 75% of my alloted space writing about really great shows and 20% giving faint praise to mediocre mostly local stuff. Before i took the job it was 90% mediocre mostly local stuff, 10% top 40 CD reviews, and 0% great shows. It was all written by staff writers who didn't know any better.

I don't even like writing about music! I took the job because I was just tired of seeing amazing bands come through town and get no preview coverage or even show listings. If someone else would do it, I'd be more than happy to let them, but no one wants to!!!

Kevin Erickson, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

37. DRESS CODE: when attending music meetings, Incubus hoodies are MANDATORY.

They never wash their hair either. Indie kids stink. Do you know, I actually heard some of them snigger when I got excited about the new Kelis single on Monday. Huh.

Dom - we just got the Scan in our office today. Your news editors are illiterate!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

46. Picture reviews should be laid out in one column going across the page, or perhaps five or so

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sadly, the news section is the best thing about it. Let's not get started on our sports coverage. Needless to say, you'd get more in-depth news by throwing your keyboard into a blender.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha I remember Scan* - is that Wigan or somewhere?

*not that well, obviously

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

47. 7k images you've found on Google look great when blown-up in order to fill 1/2 page.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

SCAN- Lancaster University. We were one of the few newspapers not to be nominated for a single award in any of the roughly 7000 student media awards shows last year.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

45) When you can't think of anything good OR bad to say, fall back on objective description. Don't feel the need to express an opinion if you honestly don't have one (not meant to be a joke - I've used this trick more than once).

Heed this advice. Best serious advice yr gonna get.

Although Dom's posts are hilarious and oh-so OTM

djdee2005, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

47. In 2004, a FULL-PAGE review on the new Divine Comedy album is U&K.

Scan is Lancaster. The news editors get confused between singular and plural nouns (alumni/alumnus AARGH) and in their standfirsts they begin each word with a capital letter.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

It's reminding me all too often of the trenches I was in at UCI in the early nineties -- which weren't all that bad, but man was I stretching at points.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

48. Don't write "twat" on a picture of an artist you give a bad review to's forehead. You typically hear from their label a few days later.

___ (___), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

in their standfirsts they begin each word with a capital letter.

Oooof

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of our sub-editors do that horrid standfirst thing too. It just never gets past me.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The problem with Lancaster is that, traditionally, universities like Durham and York are where people who failed to get into Oxford and Cambridge go. We're where people who failed to get into Durham and York go. We suck.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

47. In 2004, a FULL-PAGE review on the new Divine Comedy album is U&K.

49. SCAN gave three pages and a front-cover to a live gig by the Fun Loving Criminals. In 2004.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I honestly thought the Fun Lovin' Criminals had split up or died or something.

I shout at my music editors all the fucking time to cover more proper music, and this generally results in huge pervy pictures of the Sugababes and Jamelia to accompany 50-word single reviews.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd be lucky to get anything showing more than a half-inch of flesh past our women's officer, a truly odious, useless woman who makes up for not having a single fucking clue as to what she's doing by raising lots of "issues".

Her most memorable move was writing a 300 article about the horribly misogynist film "The Secretary".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I swear the next time Justin or someone releases a single I'll replace whatever wank material they've used with Justin with his top off. I swore at the start of the year that my magazine would have more naked men in it and I am bitterly disappointed that this has not happened.

Our women's officer has been into the union building once this wole year.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

WHOLE.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to ponder if student politics turned someone into an asshole, or if it was just assholes that got involved in the first place. After having been involved in an election campaign I came to the conclusion that: I couldn't give a flying one.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, the latter. Only assholes can be bothered. Only stupid assholes, by their third year of uni, can still retain a belief that student politics matters to anyone, least of all students.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Good god this is bad though.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/magdalen

I forgot to tell you the other reason I am trying to be positive: if i maintain a friendly relationship with the people who set up shitty shows, they will allow me to access their deep pockets and bring better people to campus.

Kevin Erickson, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Only stupid assholes, by their third year of uni, can still retain a belief that student politics matters to anyone, least of all students.

It is however primary among the reasons why New Labour will still be a driving political force in ten years' time :(

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I wrote for SCAN, a long time ago. As the resident American, I reviewed Jim O'Rourke, Bonnie "Prince" Billy, and Ani DiFranco.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgot to tell you the other reason I am trying to be positive: if i maintain a friendly relationship with the people who set up shitty shows, they will allow me to access their deep pockets and bring better people to campus.

Of course, after you lose credibility for appearing to like crap bands and the pockets dry up from no one paying for show, it won't matter. Then you'll graduate and it really won't matter. I'm sure there's a way you can stay friendly with your organizers without compromising your reviews. Maybe you should join the concert committee?

JC-L (JC-L), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Comment on their professionalism OR comment on their uncompromising DIYness.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

make your promoter buddies happier and do reasonably objective PREVIEWs rather than critical REviews.
Reviews are usually the best reading, but don't serve that great a purpose on the business end of things.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course, after you lose credibility for appearing to like crap bands and the pockets dry up from no one paying for show, it won't matter. Then you'll graduate and it really won't matter. I'm sure there's a way you can stay friendly with your organizers without compromising your reviews. Maybe you should join the concert committee?

All their crap shows are free. There is no concert committee. It's mostly done by a hired person chosen by the administration, though i've been able to get the college radio station to sponsor a couple shows.

make your promoter buddies happier and do reasonably objective PREVIEWs rather than critical REviews. Reviews are usually the best reading, but don't serve that great a purpose on the business end of things.

that's exactly what i do actually. i only write reviews when the editor asks me to.

Kevin Erickson, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:26 (twenty-two years ago)


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