RJD2 really blatantly rips off a Steve Reich track on Deadringer...

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!!! "Proxy" uses a Pat Metheney track off Different Trains...and there doesn't appear to be a sample credit in the liner notes...

― OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait wait wait NOT ALL SAMPLES ARE CREDITED!?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

This is an outrage!

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Somewhere Gilbert & Sullivan are rolling over in their graves.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

And Madlib ripped off Miles Davis! We're through the looking-glass here people.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually that was Gilbert O'Sullivan who is probably alive, isn't he haha

Nevermind.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I have to ask this now. Does anyone know if Nelly Furtado sampled the Kronos half of Different Trains on her 3-yrs-ago single "Hey Man!"? I am dying to know because if it's true it would totally kill me, I mean the song is about boys and all and here she is sampling a track about concentration camps. The sample is at the very beginning but then used throughout.

― caspar (caspar), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Madlib samples Steve Reich on Madvillain's "America's Most Blunted". HE DOESN'T CREDIT HIM EITHER, OMGOMGOMG

RJD2 has never cleared his samples, he once came on a message board, discouraging people from picking apart songs and stating the samples, in the offchance someone would see and ergo fuck up his hustle.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

what?!? That is the LAMEST. It's one thing to use uncredited samples (allright whatever, everybody's been doin it for years), but quite another to actually insist that people don't analyze it in public. Man fuck that. He doesn't own those samples, they aren't his to keep to himself...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty UNKLE never credited Reich on their remix of "Djed". It's a hard world for Steve.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah tell that to the people he sampled on "come out" and "it's gonna rain"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait that's NOT Steve Reich's voice on "Come Out"?!?! But I wouldn't know that from the liner notes?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I think the sample on "Proxy" is from the intro to Music for 18 Musicians. (The Metheny piece you're talking about -- which is called Electric Counterpoint, not Different Trains [although they appear on the same album] -- is most famously sample in the Orb's "Little Fluffy Clouds.") [/pedant]

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i remember mentioning the elliott smith sample on deadringer to rj and he flipped out and begged me not to print it.

― mark p (Mark P), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe it's taken this long for someone who makes electronic music to sample Electric Counterpoint. Now what would be really cool is if they put it in a sort of "house-y" context, but more "ambient" and maybe included a sample of a woman talking about the sky or something, maybe Rickie Lee Jones? Even better...get Pal Joey to remix it!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, that would've been funnier if it posted before jaymc mentioned the Orb. Oh well.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait wait wait NOT ALL SAMPLES ARE CREDITED!?!?!

you are such a dick, Alex.

(but yes...it's really very blatant. He pretty much lets the track play out and throws a beat on top of it.

Of course if you're stealing a bassline from an obscure Texan funk 45 then maybe you can get away without listing the sample....but this is a really well known and important piece of modern composition!)

― OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

huh. Well I've heard some RJD2 and was kinda non-plussed by it. Now I've got no respect for the guy whatsoever.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I call bullshit. All sampling artists should expect to be caught, no matter how obscure their sample is.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Like an old Texas funkateer would be less likely to be listening to cutting edge downtempo music than Steve Reich.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I doubt that somehow.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

But I can't imagine Steve Reich caring or sueing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

considering the nice things he's said about the Orb among others, me either

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe you called RJD2 Cutting edge. !??!!1

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Thursday, 22 April 2004 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Its arguable.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 22 April 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Borneo and Sporenburg's "Boys in Shorts" also samples Electric Counterpoint to great effect.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Like an old Texas funkateer would be less likely to be listening to cutting edge downtempo music than Steve Reich.

well, it's not really a matter of the musician listening to the music, taking objection and calling their lawyer as much as it is just how well known is that piece of music, does the artist still have a publishing deal/legal people, etc. etc.

Does the sample stand out as a piece of original work or does it blend in to the new composition---could it easily be the artist's own work?etc etc.

― OCP (OCP), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Yawn, Mark Cohn logic.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry I was trying to blend his name into a new one.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Marc Cohn logic.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

what?

― OCP (OCP), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Guy who sued Shut Up and Dance for sampling/covering basically in its entirety his 1991 hit "Walking in Memphis" for their 1992 hit "Raving I'm Raving". Even though on the surface they were basically the same song, their relatively undetectable changes to the track were all that was necessary to change his MOR ballad into a subtle indictment of rave/ecstacy culture.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 April 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Sampling is a game, a sport, if you will. If you're really good you don't worry about getting caught.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 22 April 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

OCP are you down with OPP?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 22 April 2004 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

you know it.

― OCP (OCP), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

(or me, as it were.)

― OCP (OCP), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, did Cohn win the lawsuit?

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

he won in the sense that the record was withdrawn a few days after release (and just when it looked like it would get to #1 too! - in fact it peaked at #2, then rapidly disappeared)

whether he got any money out of PJ and Smiley I don't recall - marcello would know - but the original SUAD label had to close for a while.

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Doesn't Orbital's "Meltdown" (one of the songs on that album, I think it's the last one) also sample "Electric Counterpoint"?

― locus solus, Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

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