The Wire: The State of Song- Frustration!

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This months issue contains one of thr most interesting looking atricles they have published for quite a while, unfortunately they have decided to print 12 pages of this 16 page article in their smallest typeface ever and i just can't read more than 2 sentences of it without feeling a headache coming on. GRRRRRRRRR.....

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

well there's this new movement called grime it's very involved and will remind you of baudrillard's contemplation of the theory of things that go bump and by humming along to it you might think about those tunes of your youth and how now they're refracting through an ionosphere of playstations because our contemporary medium is the pixel and

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Close,Ned, but they don't do grime.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

They will, jed, they will.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

unfortunately they have decided to print 12 pages of this 16 page article in their smallest typeface ever and i just can't read more than 2 sentences of it without feeling a headache coming on.

When a magazine does this, it's a not-so-subtle hint that they really would rather you not read the article.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:28 (twenty-two years ago)

but i've honestly never seen a typeface this small in ANY magazine, ever.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

you really would think a magazine produced almost entirely by middle aged men (and increasingly FOR middle aged men) would be more sensitive to the difficulties of reading a small typeface...

― a, Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I see on the website that they're reviewing Lanza's Elevator Music! WTF? Has it been reissued?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha me and certain ilxors were chatting abt how the wire doesn't do song or melody last night...they might have been referring to this article but I'm not sure (beer and sleep and all that).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Crimony, Elevator Music has been reissued but it'd need major reconstructive surgery in order for it to not suck.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

why did it suck in the first place mike?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Why aren't readers willing to work a little to get at the brilliance hidden away in music criticism? What's this crybaby stuff? Have you heard of magnifying lenses? Do you need someone else to make an appointment with an optometrist for you? Why can't there be at least one publication for people who like to squint? If you want readable type, stick to Entertainment Weekly. Or maybe you'd rather read Mein Kampf. I hear it's available in LARGE PRINT.

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I wrote a whole essay on the subject but it's not on Tom's site anymore (grrr) and archive.org is currently useless.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:46 (twenty-two years ago)

rockist - hahaahaaa!

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I sense someone's forehead veins are throbbing rather alarmingly.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

oh ok if it turns up anywhere do tell.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I see the small type as something way beyond a "rock critic" thing and more a "magazine layout" thing. In fact I kinda doubt the writer had anything to do with it.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

the wire do change much of the layout from issue to issue.

The design is much better than maybe 3-4 years ago. Maybe they've been loking at that far more than the contents.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

(What was the name of that rock magazine that once rendered a Bryan Ferry interview entirely in a dingbat font?)

The design is much better than maybe 3-4 years ago. Maybe they've been looking at that far more than the contents.

It sure seems like it!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually think its the best looking magazine available, until you try to read it.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

raygun, mike

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I just find The Wire's flaws seem more clear to me now than they've ever been before: cheerleading, trend-mongering, contempt for the mainstream, dull and uncritical reviews, etc.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus they seem to have expanded their coverage of rock-centered stuff, and while I bet it pays the bills, that's never been the reason I've picked up the magazine in the first place.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

When do you think The Wire started to change? Other than the cover person usually having some appeal to the indie rock set, which happened 2 or 3 years ago, I haven't noticed much of a difference. Are you sure it's not you that's changing?

― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you sure it's not you that's changing?

Well, I've noticed my voice has begun to crack and I've started to grow hair "down there" and I've been having these funny feelings towards other men...

Sorry.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:14 (twenty-two years ago)

You might want to have that looked at. I hear it's a sign.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously, though, a number of the magazine's best writers have disappeared from its pages recently, probably to write books. That's a pretty palpable and obvious change right there, and maybe the source behind some of the other ones.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the sign. It opened up my eyes, you know.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

(DAMN YOU RAGGETT AND YOUR IRRESISTIBLE PULL TOWARD THE LAND OF SILLY!!!)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

''When do you think The Wire started to change?''

Partly what mike said and partly when rob young took over from tony herrington as editor, he cut off the think pieces, or things like doing one article per month on one topic for a whole year (the series on soundtracks, for instance).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(DAMN YOU RAGGETT AND YOUR IRRESISTIBLE PULL TOWARD THE LAND OF SILLY!!!)

Yay me! But you're certainly right about the book point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

this article looked really good too, as a kind of invitation to make some interesting mix tapes above all

i don't like the title though, "the state of song," as if the songs listed are at some kind of vanguard (even if some of them are 50 years old!), and everything else is just retrograde; but that's the wire for you

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 24 April 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i got as far as the end of the first page (before i got a headache) and there was a bjork track : "Army of me= even buggered up in the remix, its her most powerful song" wtf? i think its the worst Bjork song ever!

i agree with you though amateurist - this would make a really good Mix Tape, was my first thought on flicking through the article.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 24 April 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

but i've honestly never seen a typeface this small in ANY magazine, ever.

so you've never read Chunklet then?

― gas, Saturday, 24 April 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the wire really IS bad these days. some of the newer reviewers read like pitchfork cub critics. the review of the sonic youth dirty reissue a while back was a travesty.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i always just browse it in the store because i find that the bulk of each issue, which is the reviews in the back, is pretty useless

some of the features are still cool, and i like their layout a lot

― amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't know, or want to get involved w/, the politics of the Wire mag, but the choice of Bohn/Kopf as 'new' editor already seems pretty disastrous. "And the news just in is that Nick Cave is back in the studio recording a new album": this, from the opening para of the current editorial, made my heart sink. I mean, surprise! Nick ("conspicious by his absence from our State of Song feature") Cave recording yet another solo alb, well I never.

I just find The Wire's flaws seem more clear to me now than they've ever been before: cheerleading, trend-mongering, contempt for the mainstream, dull and uncritical reviews, etc.

Michael D has hit the nail on the head. But I am glad Geeta and Byron Coley write for it

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 24 April 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

But I am glad Geeta and Byron Coley write for it

Yes, absolutely.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 April 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I just find The Wire's flaws seem more clear to me now than they've ever been before: cheerleading, trend-mongering, contempt for the mainstream, dull and uncritical reviews, etc.

I've been saying this for a while, in fact even written a few letters about it. Julio is right, the rot set in with Rob Young but making King of the Goths, "Biba Kopf", editor really put the tin lid on it. Anyway, I'm travelling up to Glasgow by train and will need some bumf to read, so I imagine I'll ending up buy this new issues.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 25 April 2004 07:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, I'm travelling up to Glasgow by train and will need some bumf to read, so I imagine I'll ending up buy this new issues.

Oh yeah. I can complain mightily if I want to, but it looks like I probably be buying each month's issue for lunchtime reading material for the foreseeable future.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 April 2004 08:32 (twenty-two years ago)

see, i h ave voted with my wallet!

or something like that, actually i'm just poor

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 25 April 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haven't seen the issue yet...i probably won't get it til the end of next week! i hope i can read my own contributions to it, though. that sucks about the small typeface.

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 25 April 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it really that small, jed_? I was a touch disappointed with the article; nice idea though. I wish they'd emphasised the turnaround (with some breaks & continuities rhetoric mebbe) from their initial Death of Song edict.

Big plus point for me, though, this issue: more geeta than ever! :)

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 April 2004 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Is it really that small, jed_?

I'm old, remember.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, yes it is!

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

haha I'll go check.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i hope i can read my own contributions to it, though. that sucks about the small typeface.

If they've done that to your work, I shall give them the smackdown, for they are punks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

jesus people, buy magnifying glasses

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 25 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

(the new hipster accessory)

― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 25 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

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i just wish de:bug was available in english.

invisible jukebox is still my fave wire section. i really enjoyed the one last month with luc ferrari.

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

the one w/Buck 65 is pretty good too.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

don't you think the writing in the wire is what qualitatively sets it apart from blender?

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually the magazine I wish was in English is Trax which really looked gorgeous when I picked it up in Paris (LCD on the cover, a piece on Villalobos, reviews of Kelis, Kylie and Kompakt and a really nice CD with !!!'s "Me and Giuliani", John Carpenter's "Julie", "Cop That Shit", a track from Superlongevity 3 and something else I can't remember.) I have no idea if the mag is normally good, but that issue was nice and it only took me a couple of days to semi-decipher it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

haha no I don't!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait yes I do--Blender generally, overall, has better writing than The Wire, by a mile. a LOT less obtuse stiff-upper-lip-old-chappie "I quite like this, it's proper experimental music, and not like that crap the plebians of the world enjoy" stuff. the reggae-reissues column (called, haha, "Dub" because after all Bobby Digital dancehall vocal tracks from the mid-'80s are SO dub) is particularly abominable. whereas most of Blender's writing's worst attributes come from the same place (i.e. England, where bad writing about music comes in stodgier flavours than America's), but where they have a fair amount of good writers doing thankless work in what amounts to the margins spacewise, but joke's on us--it's actually in the magazine's body itself!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that's overstating it a bit, Matos. I really don't think that many of the Wire writers take that kind of snobby position. It's one thing to infer it from editorial policy but I don't often see that kind of strawmanning of experimental vs pop in individual writers' work. And remember, they're trying to accomplish two different things. My sense of Blender is that it's a bit more info-tainment oriented, whereas the Wire, in its best moments, is trying to be a bit more analytical -- academic without sacrificing entertainment value (at its best). Obviously I'm biased, but I think yr characterization above doesn't totally hold up. Agreed, however, that Blender has plenty of fine writers writing for it, whose work in the mag totally stands on its own. Now, if only they'd ever return my emails...

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

that's interesting, i've never read blender. i do read the wire in piecemeal so i don't encounter much of the dreaded stodginess although i'll usually read and enjoy anything by toop.

(xpost)

― tricky disco, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Philip, you're right, the strawmanning was overstated, but the stodgy stiff-upper-lipitude that permeats so much of the writing (both in The Wire and in English music mags period) isn't. the overall tone even when I agree with it (which is about even with any other music mag I can think of) is pretty, not offputting . . . ho-humble, I guess. which is down to the analytical vs. infotainment aspect you describe, obviously, but I wish its tone were juicier, just as I wish Blender's tone were less flighty.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with you there not just about The Wire but most mags in general (and my own writing above all, frankly). So much music crit right now seems to be almost dispirited. I don't want gonzo, but I want some kind of passion. I'm ready for shit to have some bite to it, and frankly the alt weeklies is one of the only places I'm seeing that these days.

Anyway, I've got to go reapply a coat of lip-stiffener... ;)

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

philip where is the easiest place to get the Wire in SF? I always manage to get it when I'm out of town.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmm... I think Borders Union Square has it, and I'm sure that Harold's Int'l Newsstand does. My little newsstand in Noe Valley even has it!

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

You can always find it at Virgin (assuming it's still there).

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks guys.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

matos, for fuck's sake, if you have a budget the size of blender's would you really hire the likes of alexis petridis and dorian lynskey!?!? it's this that makes me say that blender is way worse than the wire - sure both have their failings but if it wasn't run by cretins with a beyond-spasticated idea of what it is to commission talent, blender could at least afford to be so much better. the wire does pretty good on a tight budget, it could even be great if only it decided to take a look outside its own window every now and again.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, just (belatedly) read the current Wire, the March of the Goths gathers pace with Einsturzende Neubauten, Coil, Diamanda Galas all featured in this State of Song nonsense and Biba Kopf moved to apologise for the absence of Nick Cave! Add to this features on Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel and the Hafler Trio and the resemblance to the NME circa 1983 becomes uncanny. Wo ist Lydia Lunch tho?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I went to a lydia lunch gig last week.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:13 (twenty-two years ago)

... I'm expecting noting less than a grovelling apologia from Biba Kopf in his next editorial for not mentioning Lydia Lunch. Call himself a Goth? Tchoh!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

(POLL DADA POLL: Will The Wire Evah Manage To Do Samthung To Make Dadaismus Show A Minuscule Sign Of Semi-Contentment?

"No!": 1 vote
"Yes?": )

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha, shouldn't the poll be more along the lines of "Will The World Evah Manage To Do Samthung To Make Dadaismus Show A Minuscule Sign Of Semi-Contentment?" There's still good things about Wire, and they've mostly been mentioned by other people here like Julio. Complaining about stuff is more fun tho.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

slightly off topic, but dadaismus...did you get to any of the FOTC gigs this weekend? AMM/MEV predictably got a good audience but attendance was otherwise typically disappointing.

(only slightly off topic, as it will be lucky to get any mention in the wire at all, I would think, AMM/MEV notwithstanding)

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, Trax looks great, but it's pretty mediocre.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The writing in de:bug is not that hot either -- state-of-the-art German music criticism is pretty dire.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, with the exception of phil, simon, ian penman, geeta because she's a pal and a couple of other *individual* writers, the wire isn't really for the likes of me. you just have to resign yourself to this and your life gets better - then again, i find myseldf equally alienated by blender, the voice (then again, maybe i just need to lsiten to more barbie records) and pretty much every other publication out there, these days. i'm not even saying this like it's a bad thing, either.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The Wire I think was more "for the likes of me" when it was a straightforward post-Ornette jazz/improv mag under RDC and then a proto-blog under mark s. Unfortunately there weren't enough of "the likes of me" to keep circulation figures afloat, thus all the post-mark s changes. Shame.

That having been said, it's nice of Stubbs to get Matt Woebot into print at long last.

(congrats also to Enrique for getting into the film section of Time Out!)

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i find the wire a lot less irritating than a lot of other mags/papers.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 11:33 (twenty-two years ago)

slightly off topic, but dadaismus...did you get to any of the FOTC gigs this weekend? AMM/MEV predictably got a good audience but attendance was otherwise typically disappointing.

I was in Glasgow dammit. Well Glasgow was great but AMM/MEV is a dream ticket. I'm assuming Julio was there.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, and can I concur with all above about Ian Penman's review of Patti Smith - why has it taken so long for someone to stand up and say enough is enough?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

he's pretty much always hated her, though

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought he complimented her for "Horses" tho?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

AMM- the best I've seen from them.
MEV- no good.

also saw some stuff on sunday evening.

Penman likes 'horses', overall the rev reminded me of the Zappa rant.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

No it was better than that Julio. Why were MEV "no good"?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

MEV for some unknown reason were using Spring Heel Jack's equipment on that gig.

Highlight for me was BJ Cole guesting with the London Improvisers Orchestra on Monday - really amazing integration of the pedal steel with the orchestra, also helped to moderate some of the more excitable members of the group (my God! actual CHORDS!). Terry Day's tango tribute to Liberace was superb as well.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

MEV- lots of individuality, no group sound. I felt rzewski was shut out for a lot of it.

Sunday was really good: good start with gail brand's duo, chris burn ensemble was terrific (apparently they had two new memebers playing with them for the first time but they had no problems fitting in) and Paul Rutherford was nice to see, if not that great.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, I'm afraid I only stayed for Gail's set on Sunday and sloped off afterwards. On Monday with the LIO Alan Tomlinson absolutely wiped the floor with Rutherford, trombone-improv-wise.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i think i should abstain from further posting on this thread! but anyone with questions for me can email me

― geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

...Alan Tomlinson absolutely wiped the floor with Rutherford, trombone-improv-wise.

O yeah? Well I'm not a Rutherford hater (no way!) but hearing ear witness reports of Tomlinson's goodness does gladden me immesely!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, rutherford has had periods of illness and solo-wise is in a position where he is fighting against his recorded work in a way that other great improvisers aren't.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually re-read a couple of recent issues today at work and its not so bad, really. just not AS good. which is not a crime, i guess.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"Alex, Trax looks great, but it's pretty mediocre."

That's too bad (although since it's in French, it've been difficult going for me regardless.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see how Grime is even worthy of a mention.

― Savin All My Love 4 u (Savin 4ll my (heart) 4u), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

When did Biba Kopf start posting to ILM?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://www.olivebaptist.org/Ministries/pastoral_min/iraqifreedom/L.Traylor%20Leading%20Singing.jpg

Hmmm. More like the Song of the State.

― Hipper than thou, Friday, 4 June 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The type is not quite as small as I was expecting. Nice to see that Meredith Monk gets a mention, but I find most of these blurbs painful to read.

― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 4 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i am obviously blind!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

they WILL NOT do grime. i've told you repeatedly. you will never see that music, or regular dancehall featured in the wire. i will lay money on it.
i will buy you dinner is you see a dancehall/grime feature within the next 3 years.

actually i'll buy everyone one the entire internet dinner.

Where do we post our orders, Dave?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 24 March 2005 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

oooh, burn!

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 24 March 2005 11:42 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, I happen to know the designer who's re-designing The Wire, starting I think next month. Do you want me to have a word about the small type issue?

― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 24 March 2005 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, can he/she make it smaller?

(Actually, my subscription ends next month, so white-on-white text might be the way to go from now on).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 24 March 2005 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

anyone have the full list from the cover story?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 1 May 2005 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

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