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There is a good article in the recent New York Review of Books that is relevant to you!

Entitled Disco Dreams, the article is a review/criticism by Luc Sante of two recent books reflecting personal views of popular music: Songbook by Nick Hornby and Sonata for Jukebox: Pop Music, Memory, and the Imagined Life by Geoffrey O'Brien.

One sentence summary: O'Brien's book is well done; Hornby's is not.

Link is here:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17096

Has anyone read O'Brien's book?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

Sante is always worth reading; did a piece about a year ago in NYRB in which he reviewed Kempton's "Boogaloo," book about the soul/r&b scene in America in the postwar era.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 12:56 (twenty years ago) link

My copy arrived yesterday and I am on chapter 3 right now.

It is very well written, if slightly... too... exquisite? I am, naturellement, all in favour of exquisitry, but I wonder if it couldn't be tempered with something a little more... vulgar. He describes his grandfather sitting down to play boogiewoogie piano at one point, and his grandfather is wearing a perfectly pressed white suit. In a way, that is a good analogy for O'Brien's prose.

Nevertheless, this is mere quibbling. I am devouring this gorgeous book.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

Favorite part of Sante's essay: "So no problem, then."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link

Well, Sante is too easy on Hornby, whom I consider a menace to society...

jackblack (ddduncan), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

I was going to post this link. I think I'm going to pick up the O'Brien book today as Sante has gotten me pretty interested in it. Aside from the fact that he's just the reviewer, Sante is indeed always worth reading. His own books (Low Life, Evidence and The Factory of Facts) are absolute must-reads--even if they don't have anything to do with music.

direct_program, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 16:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not questioning Sante's integrity. But it *is* true that O'Brien is a NY Review of Books regular.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:38 (twenty years ago) link

The notes are really cute (and seem designed perhaps to explain things to confused Hornby fans):

[1] "Crunk" is an offshoot of hiphop based in the South, favoring antiphonal group chants and raucous shouts over solo rapping, and with notably pornographic lyrics. Originally —and sometimes still—the vocals and sometimes the backing tracks were drastically slowed down. The style originated in Houston with a subculture of cough-syrup drinkers, syrup being famous for slackening perception of time.

[2] "Grime"—a contentious term at pres-ent—is a British analogue to hiphop (which evolved quite distinctly from hiphop, being an outgrowth of UK ga-rage) featuring rapid-fire, often social-realist rhymes over oddly baroque-sounding synthesizer continuos.

[3] A "remix" is a song whose properties have been altered on the mixing board —bass brought up, echo increased, vocal dropped back, Tunisian string orchestra track introduced, etc. "Mashup" and "bootleg" are synonyms, although their exact definitions vary. In general, though, the terms both refer to the practice of marrying the vocal track of one song with the instrumental backing of another, either or both of those items being subject to further alteration.

[4] The MP3 is a format for digitally storing and relaying music or other audio items. Although there is some loss of sound quality in the process, the MP3 is notable for its compression—a player no bigger than a deck of cards can hold up to 50,000 songs.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

(Actually, I would take small issue with Matt Sab's summation of the Sante review. Sante thinks both books are well done, but that Hornby has a complacent, trivial outlook.)

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

hornby does not deserve to publish. anything.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 07:05 (twenty years ago) link

my entry for most useless reply ... but I want to...

My summation is inaccurate?

How is this book of essays well done?

"All of Hornby's little essays are similarly artless and, often enough, equally vague."

Yes, he gets his point across ("you can easily find brand-new examples of the same stuff you've been listening to for the last thirty years, so there's no reason to feel snagged on a branch while the tide of history surges on") but in any way worth noting.


Clearly, Sante disagrees with what he interprets to be Hornby's 'message' but I think it is also clear that Sante believes Hornby has done a shoddy job of it.

To justify this post (somewhat), I'll throw my own thread off course (any way to change the subject line?):

Did you see that popmatters.com had two Hold Steady album reviews yesterday?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

Let's do the whole context:

"All of Hornby's little essays are similarly artless and, often enough, equally vague. He succeeds so well at not sounding like a critic that he could easily be mistaken for the average inarticulate consumer, someone who wears his heart on his sleeve and doesn't care to probe much underneath. This is in fact his particular genius: he is l'homme moyen sensuel of pop culture. What he expresses and how he expresses it could almost pass for a replica of your neighbor's or your cousin's explanations of why they love "Take It Easy," by the Eagles—although they would be unlikely to command such fluidly plain prose, its plainness giving luster to every stammer and ellipsis:"

It's what Hornby is trying to do, not his ability to do it, that falls short.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

And the core of Hornby's message:

"Hornby reassures himself and his readers not only that adulthood does not mean having to renounce catchy tunes with jangly guitars in favor of music requiring jackets and ties, but also that pop music can once and for all assume its true function, as a salve. Teenage evenings spent pumping a fist in the air in time to Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" may now seem ludicrous, but teenage nights spent sobbing to the accompaniment of Carole King's Tapestry remain rich in beauty and meaning."

There isn't some wonderful way to express this waiting as a potential good pop book out there. It's the attitude itself that's wanting.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

artless is a compliment anyway!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

I think Hornby provides a useful service in identifying people with no taste whatsoever. Anybody who has anything good to say about him can immediately have all future opinions disregarded.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

Should I subscribe to the NY Review of Books?

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:27 (fifteen years ago) link

They are offering me a Professional Discount Rate!!

(does Harper's make a practice of selling addresses of all their submitters? wtf! or is "professional discount rate" the name they give to the subscriber price?)

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:31 (fifteen years ago) link

all professional steendrivers get discounted magazine subscriptions... didnt u get the membership letter?

gr8080 (max), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:35 (fifteen years ago) link

big hoos aka the pro steendriver

u dont like my lyrics u can press ►► (deej), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link

these motherfuckers are offering you a discount and not a loyal subscriber? a recent email exchange between me and their subscription department:

me:

The person who gifted me the subscription has forwarded me a letter from you inviting him to renew "with our special holiday offer". However, with this offer the cost of the renewal is the same as it was last year for a new subscription and the same as it is for new subscriptions on the website: $105 for international subscribers. Is this correct?

them:

The cost your renewal will be $105.00. The answer is basically Marketing..

but in answer to your question, yes, you should subscribe.

With the enormous power and flexibility of the 2007 Microsoft Office syst (caek), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, this is the best magazine I know of. It's hardcore: I subscribed my mother but she couldn't hack it, it was too much work for her. But it's the only magazine I read cover to cover each issue.

it's a great breakup balllad sung by Bill Champlin (Euler), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I look forward to the summer break where they give you a couple of months to catch up, although I didn't manage that this year. 3/4 of the way through issue 11 now.

caek, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I always skip ahead to anything by Freeman Dyson or Steve Weinberg though.

caek, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Back inna mailbox w/subscrip request attached.

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I subscribed then cancelled, when I realised I was reading all the articles online rather than in print anyway. Professional rate was pretty cheap though ($30/year maybe), so go for it.

toby, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah I just put it in the box for $15.99/year.

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I need to renew Harper's. All the doom & gloom covers are overwrought sky is falling stuff and I can go the rest of my life without reading another LATE ROMAN EMPIRE analogy, but I'll gladly pay $20/year for 12 installments of the Readings, Index & Findings sections. Anything else good is just a bonus.

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 01:45 (fifteen years ago) link

i've subscribed off and on for years, letting my subscription lapse and then re-upping from an ad or one of those discount-thingies rather than shelling out for the official re-subscription. it's an excellent pub overall, some issues may be slim then there'll be one like the current number with half-a-dozen good pieces in it. great way to keep up w/books that you wouldn't have time to read. really smart political essays too.

m coleman, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I love Harpers so much. I just resubbed this week (partially for the new issues, mostly for their online archives). NY Review of Books sometimes wows me, but not enough to shell out for a sub. Also, all my professors at school get comp subs and my thesis adviser lets me borrow hers.

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ian, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"intellectually curious"

art tatum HOOS & chopped (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

taking next year off. brain melted.

caek, Sunday, 6 December 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

haha

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 6 December 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

soon as i have money i wanna renew, i felt so much smarter while i was reading this regularly

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 6 December 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link


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