Should I go see Philip Glass and Terry Riley?

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Bang on a Can Festival, May 2
Edison Center, Washington University
St. Louis, MO
with Philip Glass & Terry Riley

Philip Glass - Music In Fifths
Philip Glass - Music In Similar Motion
Terry Riley - In C

Tickets are $23. Having never heard Terry Riley and only Einstein on the Beach and other bits and pieces of Philip Glass, will I be able to handle seeing this performed live?

stephen morris (stephen morris), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

YES!

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, that's cheaper than the benefit they played here in NYC.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

and those are great pieces too (second time re-post?).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Terrry Riley didn't play last night and Philip Glass played a new piece that was pretty boring. I'd love to hear someone perform early Philip Glass(those pieces pre-date Einstein, I believe) and In C is often wonderful. I am, however, slightly allergic to Bang on a Can for some weird reasons.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Are Glass and Riley actually performing?

In C is one of the classic 'minimalist' pieces - each performance can be quite different but generally it's a lovely harmonic thing. I'm sure that BoaC will do a fine job.

The 2 glass pieces are my favourites of his - both are quite mechanistic and reasonably fast paced with some dramatic changes. Not sure how BoaC will perform this one - most things they've done (that I've heard) have been quite 'tame' in comparison to how the early 70s Glass ensemble played.

phil turnbull (philT), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:35 (twenty-two years ago)

those pieces are very early, yeah. Have you heard the early recorded versions, Dan? Just about the only Glass I like.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:36 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I can tell Glass and Riley will both be there.

This is what I wanted to hear. I haven't heard much early Glass and I know I'm kind of a heretic because of that. I keep meaning to pick up Music in 12 Parts, but it's hard to remember what with the amnesia.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

$23, while steeper than most stuff I'd go to, is not a bad price for two "living legends."

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I like a lot of Glass up through the 80s, I recently got Northstar and Glassworks for 2 bucks ea. at Princeton Record Exchange. Both of those have some good stuff on it, and I even like some of the stuff that's fairly dated, like the Photographer. The early recorded versions were the ones nonesuch put out in the 90s right? I don't have them.

Phil, I just read somewhere else that BoaC were performing with Riley somewhere, so I assume that means they will both be there, though I can't imagine Glass will be playing. It's pretty common knowledge that he does not have the chops he once did and delegates the hard stuff to Michael Reisman, word is that Kurt Munkasci(sp) turns him down in the mix, and on the early 90s version of Einstein, he only played, like the first note.

Last night was pretty crazy, besides those performing, people like Lou Reed and John Adams were in the audience, the guy who runs Nonesuch got an award, it was all very avant-garde establishment self-congratulatory fun. However, there were plenty of empty seats and by the day of the show, they were practically giving tickets away. I'd already payed by 100 bucks, but don't mind as it was a benefit after all.

A quick rundown of the show, minus all the speaches and excerpts on video of Bill T. Jones and Keith Haring running around:

Steve Reich and 3 others play Drumming 1. I think the other three were orig performers on the piece. It was AMAZING. While clapping afterwords I couldn't help but go into some Reich-ian rhythms.

Pauline Oliveros-Tuning Meditation. Where Pauline makes everyone in the audience sing vowels and tune to each other, then sing notes nobody else is singing. I did this with her at Oberlin in 96. Suprisingly, it worked and was really cool.

Meredith Monk-Dolmen Music. Again w/ a few original performers, this was utterly amazing. I've been a big fan of the album for years, though usually gravitating to the poppier pieces, Travelling, The Tale, Gotham Lullabye. It was amazing how much of a performance this was, with all the weird babbling dialogue being acted out in their gestures towards each other.

Intermission

Robert Ashley-Love Is a Good Example. I'm not a huge fan and this piece that was just 3 spoken vocals w/ some processing was somewhat boring to me. But now I can say I've seen Joan La Barbara

Laurie Anderson-I forget the name, a "work in progress." I was really not excited for this...but it was fantastic. her monologue was funny, political and insightful. She spoke over pretty standard electronic new synth drones, then whipped out the violin and played with some sort of pitch-shifter/harmonizer/delay, and it was really really good.

Philip Glass-Some very "pretty" piece with a Kora player, a sax player and Reisman playing some kind of synth. Nicely done, but neither interesting enough or emotional enough.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know if Nonesuch re-released the stuff, I just have the Chatham Square and Shandar LPs.

Sounds like a great show.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

do you have the Jon Gibson record on Chatham Square? I've wanted to hear that.

They also had a CD for sale made in conjuction w/ the anniversary concert. It's on Orange Mountain Music (.com) which claims to exit for people to study Philip Glass's music. This 2 CD set however features late 70s recordings from all the above and Palestine and Conrad and Niblock etc etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I read about that CD, and if the Palestine, Conrad and Niblock stuff is unreleased, I want it in a bad way.

I don't think I have the Jon Gibson because I passed on a super-water-damaged copy at a thrift store in Chicago some years ago.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

What are they playing In C with?

NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

What's Terry Riley? Is he a "rockist" composer, as I always
thought of Philip Glass?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Terry Riley basically invented minimalism.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:14 (twenty-two years ago)

although I think Tony Conrad beat him to tape loops by a year (though with a different application).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Terry Riley has got to be the coolest dude ever.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I fucking need that Reed Streams re-ish, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I have all the Organ of Corti releases...not to mention the 40 bucks I spent on his 1975 soundtrack to a forgotten Klaus Kinski movie called Lifespan! It was on the wall of The Sound Library and I listened to it and it was cool, kinda Terry Riley lite at times. I had to take the risk, but would've hated myself if I'd come home and gone online to find out it had come out on CD. Nope.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

http://home.swipnet.se/sonoloco10/riley/seminar1r.jpg

NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck, fe seems to not have Reed Streams anymore. Is that outta print?

One time I was browsing at In Your Ear in Cambridge, Mass. in maybe spring 1998 and they had like EVERY Terry Riley LP, except for Reed Streams. Still kicking myself for not taking Persian Surgery Dervishes home.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://terryriley.com/

haha, his website rules

NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

come to think of it that might've been the same day I got Advent and Lake so there.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

http://terryriley.com/images/terrypsychedelic1a.jpg

NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

he's just the genius hippy who I'd say is in the top 20 list of people who've impacted the music of the last 35 or so years. The shit w/ Chet Baker jamming along to himself via tape delay and the You're No Good "re-mix" are just incredibly prescient, and the whole indian thing w/ La Monte Young...all those other kids, Reich, Glass, Conrad, Palestine, Oliveros descend directy from him. Baba O' Reilly indeed.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

whoa whoa what a second, is that where the Who got the name?

h kottke-stencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:32 (twenty-two years ago)

19 out of 20 times I prefer listening 'harp of new albion' to 'well-tuned piano'

(Jon L), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

another expertly proofed post from milton

I know 'harp' owes a debt to the previous piece, but 'harp of new albion' instantly sends me into a much deeper state.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Squirell Police: Philip Glass = Rockist? Never occurred to me. Please explain.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah...Pete Townshend says the arpegiating synth on Baba O' Reilly was influenced by Rainbow in Curve Air, while the Baba is a reference to his spiritual leader, Meher Baba, and I'm sure Terry Riley's "spiritual" leanings didn't turn Pete off either.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

makes sense since both In C and Rainbow... were huge sellers, and the keyboard pattern is totally Riley-esque. Don't know why I never put 2 + 2 before, though.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I read an article which said that, at least in his early days,
Glass had a scruffy "rock band" thing going on, and the stuff
that I've heard (mostly _Koyaanisqatsi_) has catchy melodies
and a really intense rhythmic pulse that almost reminds me of rock.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

although he denies it...Jeffrey Lohn's contributions to the Theoretical Girls are as a good an example as you'll find of 70s NYC-style "art" music merged with 70s punk rock. Branca's stuff from that period took itself too seriously, while not yet having the power to match, but Jeffrey's songs were great rock songs informed by minimalism and such. Likewise, the Glass produced/promoted Polyrock. There was a lot of that in the late 70s early 80s....Elliot Sharp did it at times as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, holy crap. Thanks a lot, guys, that was definitely one of the most amazing concerts I've ever been too.

The highlight was In C. Philip Glass at the baby grand and Terry Riley on an electric piano and vocals with Bang on a Can doing the rest. Unbelievable.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 3 May 2004 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i rearranged an entire itinerary last summer to stay in budapest an extra five days so that i could see steve reich perform drumming, music for 18 and tehillim live. i do not regret it.

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 3 May 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, Philip Glass perfomring In C WITH Terry Riley, that's amazing, from your initial post I never in a million years would've expected Glass to play In C.

On this topic, my WFMU record fair finds included one nice relevant thing...Peter Zummo's Zummo with an X LP which features a sidelong piece of Zummo playing horn, somone playing tabla and Arthur Russell playing cello and vocalizing. Composed by Zummo, but it's all about Russell. The same dealer also had the original Philip Glass Music with Changing Parts 2xLP on Chatham Square for 35 bucks.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 May 2004 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently it was only the second time Glass and Riley had performed on stage together. The other time being the night before, in Kansas, so I'm pretty sure that this might have been the best $23 I've ever spent.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Monday, 3 May 2004 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I got Einstein on the Beach on Tomato in near-mint @ the FMU fair for 30 bucks

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 3 May 2004 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I watched a poerformance of riley's 'rainbow in curved air' in a cathedral last year, and I really liked hearing this in there even though it might not have been suited for it in terms of acoustics.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 3 May 2004 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think, maybe due to familiarity or whatever, that I prefer the 90s Einstein recording. Although I love the sound of the farfisas and such on the Tomato version, I don't mind the synth-organ sounds used on the 90s one, they were much better/less dated then his earlier synth records like the Photographer. But most importantly, I was downloading some of the Tomato version and realized the final Knee Play, which I find so beautiful, is shorter and has less text. Can anyone who have both versions compare and confirm this?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

it's true, knee play 5 is shorter. also the pieces don't segue into each other on the Tomato version, the music has to stop cold every 22 minutes to fit LP format, whereas on the 90's Nonesuch version the pieces flow through each of the three discs.

I enjoy both versions for different reasons; tighter, faster performances & extended flow on the Nonesuch, but the vocal performances are much more compelling & alien on the Tomato & I prefer the Farfisa arrangements. There are times where the vocal performances on the Nonesuch really bug me, it's not like the original is free from pretensions but it remains mysterious, on the new one Einstein now presents itself as a coagulated classic.

But everyone I've heard from simply prefers the first version they've heard, so y'know.

(Jon L), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(by 'vocal performances' I mean the solo orations, the monologues. the sections for chorus are improved on the Nonesuch; on the original the sections with fast counting are a bit blurry, on the Nonesuch you can actually hear the entire chorus precisely enunciate each of the hundreds of numbers and it's very striking.)

(Jon L), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"Should I go see Philip Glass and Terry Riley?"

See, yes. Listen to, no.

PDQ Bach, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Einstein on the Beach was the first Glass record I ever heard. The Portland, ME public library had the Tomato version, but I didnt have a record player, so I sat in the basement and listened to the record on their player all afternoon one Sunday. I can't even remember what it is that made me think I should listen to it, but that is one of my fondest memories ever of having my mind completely blown by a record. I really really didn't understand what I was hearing. I just knew it was sweet.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It's great innit? Before I heard Glass, I thought that modern
classical had to be difficult, but I found his stuff quite
accessible to these prog-rock-cut teeth.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say, I saw a similar show tonight (Bang on a Can with Riley, no Glass) and it was very bad. I missed the first piece, but caught the last two pieces on the first half, both of which were Louis Andriessen pieces. The first seemed rather awkward to me. The second was his famous piece Workers' Union. In the hands of BoC it's very jocky, sort of like an etude for a prog rock band. The performers play the piece with much overdone theatricality, and in the end it's really only about them.

Riley and In C were the second half. Riley was good, and his singing was great - really made explicit the connection between his music and traditional Indian music. These Bang on a Can performers, though - ugh. Ziporyn adds all these horrible faux-klezmer accents to the ends of Riley's little phrases and doesn't stay in tune. The cellist has a vibrato straight off the conservatory assembly line - not well-suited to Riley's music at all. And the guitarist is awful, sub-Mackeyan, like he hasn't heard any other electric guitarist since 1982 but he's got all the hip gear and he's set to ROCK your local car dealership commercial. All the peaks and valleys in Bang on a Can's performance seem scripted and inevitable.

And for what it's worth, I wonder if Riley should have made adjoining cells more similar to each other - they're really different, so that there isn't much difference when the performers are playing cells 30-35 as opposed to 35-40. There isn't enough possibility for meaningful textural contrast.

charlie va (charlie va), Saturday, 8 May 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.archive.org/audio/audio-details-db.php?collection=other_minds&collectionid=ReichBerkeleyMuseum&PHPSESSID=9bab9c1781c3f9c58f864d043bfc7bd5

to download a 1970 radio broadcast of a Steve Reich concert, pretty amazing.

Also, just received this from Mr. Brian Chase, drummer of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, who, when he's not off being a rock star, has volunteered at the Dream House, you coming Joel?...

>TERRY RILEY & MICHAEL HARRISON
>NIGHT RAGAS CONCERT
>
>Sunday May 9, 9pm, $20
>Faust Harrison Pianos
>205 West 58th St., NY
>212-489-3600
>
>A rare & intimate unpublicized & unamplified concert
>No reservations required ~ Limited seating on a first come first serve
>basis
>Doors open at 8:40pm
>
>Terry Riley, voice
>Michael Harrison, voice
>Naren Budhkar, tabla
>Zarifah Manzella & Dean Klopsis, tamboura
>
>California composer, keyboardist and raga singer Terry Riley launched
what
>is now known as the Minimalist movement with his revolutionary classic
“In
>C” in 1964. This seminal work provided a new concept in musical form
based
>on interlocking repetitive patterns. It's impact was to change the
course
>of 20th Century music and it's influence has been heard in the works
of
>prominent composers such as Steve Reich, Philip Glass and John Adams
and in
>the music of Rock Groups such as The Who, The Soft Machine, Tangerine
>Dream, Curved Air and many others. Riley’s hypnotic, multi-layered,
>poly-metric, brightly orchestrated Eastern flavored improvisations and
>compositions set the stage for the New Age movement that was to appear
a
>decade or so later. In 1970, Riley became a disciple of the revered
North
>Indian raga vocalist, Pandit Pran Nath and made the first of his
numerous
>trips to India to study with the Master. He appeared frequently in
concert
>with the legendary singer as tamboura, tabla and vocal accompanist
over the
>next 26 years until Pran Nath’s passing in 1996. Riley now regularly
>performs raga as a vocalist and recently appeared in concert with
tabla
>virtuoso Zakir Hussein. Riley was listed in the London Sunday Times
as
>"one of the 1000 makers of the 20th Century."
>
>Through his work with alternate tuning systems and harmonic resonance
>Michael Harrison has revolutionized the piano. Having made a lifelong
>study of both Western classical and North Indian classical music,
Harrison
>has developed a distinctive voice as a composer and performer. He was
a
>protégé of minimalist godfather La Monte Young and a disciple of the
late
>master Indian vocalist Pandit Pran Nath with whom he studied from 1979
>until Pran Nath’s passing in 1996. He continues to study and perform
today
>as a disciple of one of India’s preeminent vocalists, Ustad Mashkoor
Ali
>Khan. As an internationally acclaimed composer/pianist Harrison’s
work is
>performed throughout the U.S. and Europe.
>
>Naren Budhkar as a tabla player represents a link of the East West
cultural
>bridge. As a classical percussionist cultivated by the tradition of
Indian
>music and culture, Naren possesses the aesthetic sense to complement
his
>drumming to vocalists, instrumentalists and dancers alike. He has
>performed and recorded in a wide range of styles from Indian classical
to
>jazz, folk, country and rock music. He has been cited in The New York
>Times, aired on CNN, and heard from clubs to concert halls and from
folk
>festivals to Yoga retreats.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 8 May 2004 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

keeping this thread alive...I just returned from the aforementioned concert. My friend and I joined 30 or 40 totally random people, some New Music folk, some meditating hippy folk, some high culture folk, some Other Music employees, some Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Philip Glass, La Monte Young and Marian Zazeela, fillling the back room of the piano store. Riley and Harrison performed 2 lengthy ragas which were beautiful and I feel lucky to have been able to experiance such a thing in such an intimate setting.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 10 May 2004 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't see the thread! This is the second new music concert in days that I missed, because no one posts info about them to nyhappenings! Dan, get on that!

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 10 May 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

charlie, out of curiosity, have you heard Bang On a Can's Industry? I think it's good, including the version of "Worker's Union". I haven't seen them live but I wonder if you would make the same criticisms of this record because I don't hear it that way. Especially not the cello, which goes into total noise brutality on Gordon's "Industry". I also think Ziporyn's Gamelan Galak Tika is brilliant.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 10 May 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

BOAC All-Stars and Riley played at Wesleyan on Friday night. i wonder if this is the show on which Charlie W. was commenting above, as my impressions were identical. first piece was Zack Browning's Back Speed Double Circuit, which i thought completely failed to integrate its electronic backing track (played on a CD) with the chamber ensemble. the BOAC guitarist was particularly awful. but you just knew that would be the case the moment he walked out onto the stage. two Andriessen pieces (Doppelspoor and Worker's Union was overkill. the first presented a side of Andriessen i hadn't heard before - lyrical, romantic, atypically French-sounding - but BOAC's interpretation was flat and tedious. and the All-Stars just plain mishandled the excellent "Worker's Union." prog/jock-rock theatrics OTM. In C wasn't the transcendent experience i'd hoped for, but it was an interesting compromise between chamber and percussive interpretations of the piece. BOAC's percussionist was brilliant. Riley sounded fine, bless him, especially when singing, but Ziporyn was just wrong, piping in with a kitschy Klezmer lilt at the most inopportune moments. at least the guitarist could barely be heard. and spent most of the hour on lap drum. small mercies.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Monday, 10 May 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I posted the Riley event on sunday, it was something that I don't think was supposed to be widely advertised. What was the other event? The Kitchen benefit I posted weeks in advance.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 10 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant that Phill Niblock concert that someone posted a review to nyhappenings. I read the list digests pretty thoroughly every day, though I tend to gloss over y'know where Aqui is playing this week or whatever, and didn't see anything about it. Then again, I didn't check my email from Friday afternoon to last night, so there you go.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 10 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

look for changes in nyhappenings soon...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 10 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

okay I officially hate the digest version now. Your email about the concert JUST NOW appeared in my inbox. Fuck that day-late shit.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 10 May 2004 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

augh only JUST read about this terry riley thing last nite...

:(

geeta, Monday, 10 May 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

for those in the NYC area:

Emily Manzo [a.k.a. The First Lady of Cuntry, a.k.a. "Emily" of
"Emily & Christie" (ex-l'il fighters)] will be giving a recital up at
Columbia University TODAY, Friday May 14th, at 7pm in Horace
Mann room 435 (directions below).

Rob Thatcher (aka Fat Bobby of Oneida fame) will join Emily for
Reich's Piano Phase. Emily will also be giving a preview of the
Sofia Gubaidulina Extravaganza (collaboration with other
Oberlin-grads set for Chicago in July) with her Piano Sonata,
plus some Chopin and Ligeti Etudes.

This event is free!

Directions to HORACE MANN, ROOM 435, Teacher's
College, Columbia University, 120th St btwn Broadway
and Amsterdam:

Take the 1/9 to 116th Street, stay at the front of the train,
exit right after turnstiles, up left staircase. Walk up to
120th Street, turn right, walk half way down the block to
the Main Hall Entrance (on the north side of the street).
You'll have to check in with the security guard, and from
there I will post many, many signs to guide you to the
room. You will be rewarded with refreshments, and, of
course, piano music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Will I see you there, Dan? heh heh.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Unfortunately not...I don't get out of work untill 9pm.

Will you ever do it again?

What if I start a new music concert series for hipsters?

btw, is that the correct spelling of Thatcher? Sabine's post to nyhappenings had it as Thacher.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait, I just saw the email address.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Yep, the goofy spelling is correct. Thanks, ancestors.

If you start a new music series for hipsters, I'm out, but if you start one for unqualified drunks, I'M IN!!!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Guys, talk to me about Steve Reich?

NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

how about a new music series for shy introverts who prefer snacking to drinking?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich
Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich Steve Reich

See, it's phasing...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

except it's not because ILX stripped all the spaces!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha ha. Yeah, I was kidding about the series for drunks. I'm just trying to deal with the fact that this is an odd situation in which I find myself. I would be totally into your idea.

jwilliams: Steve Reich, about whose music I don't actually know a ton, wrote a bunch of pieces which use sound phasing between really simple repetitive parts to create fantastic, otherworldly ghost melodies. Piano Phase is two pianos playing a simple 12-note phrase in unison (very quickly); one piano slowly speeds up, and the phasing effect between the two instruments cancels certain tonal elements as the sound changes in really wondrous ways.

When the sped-up piano reaches a point where it's hitting note number one in the pattern as the slower piano hits note twelve, that person slows back down so the two are again playing rhythmically in unison -- but this time in a melodic counterpoint rather than unison.

Then repeat the process again and again, until eventually the two are finally playing the pattern in tonal unison again. Then piano one changes to an even simpler 8-note pattern, piano two joins, and they cycle through again. Then the same with a four note pattern, and one more time around the horn.

It sounds really sterile/conceptual, but the sound is incredible -- and I can tell you that live, with two grand pianos, it is a hell of a lot richer and more complex than the recording I have, so if you have a chance to hear it (or any other like pieces by Reich) live, DO IT.

End of the longest post I've ever made...

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

(I met a girl who is really into Steve Reich and Terry Riley.)

NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS REMIND YOU THAT ZERO IS ALSO A NUMBER (ex machina), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ask her if you can "come out to show them."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

man, that's some music nerd humor there. (obviously, I heartily approve)

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

well I was trying to make a joke out of "Four Organs" but it was too awkward.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

following re: Reich...

The phasing idea began with his early tape loop pieces, where the spacing of the tapes and slight adjustments to tape speed caused the same phrase of spoken music to go out of phase and create interesting effects.

This lead to what would be called process music, where a process would be set up, as described above, and subtle changes would be made to create an infinate number of possibilities and unexpected structures. Music as a Gradual Process:

http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~abauer/MusicasProcess.htm

At first it was simple elements, the two pianos of Piano Phase, the 4 Organs of 4 organs, the 6 pianos of 6 Pianos, etc.

In the early 70s he also studied west african drumming which affected his work where he'd do similar gradual process pieces that was more about rhythm then melody(though it was always about melody as well...) In Drumming, a single drum would be hit, then a few measures later, another beat would be added, before you knew it a million complex rhythms would be jumping around, and the addition of a single drum beat would completely change the feel of the pattern.

Through the 70s he expanded these pieces and taking the rhythmic pulses and gradual process to great heights while placing more emphasis on actual melodic composition. The peak was probably Music for 18 Musicians.

His next influence would be the human voice, first in the hebrew chanting of cantors as shown in Tehilim, and later in the actual sampling of voices. This breakthrough was first used in the piece Different Trains with the Kronos Quartet, where he'd have samples of people talking, creating a narrative, then the music would pick up the melody and rhythmic quality of the spoken phrase. His wife added video when they extended this idea to the Cave, and again most recently, for Three Tales.

I'd say the best introductory releases would be Music For 18 Musicians and the Different Trains/Electric Counterpoint CDs.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Lee Ranaldo just sent me this:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/dotsonics/lee/art/organs.html

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

If you meet a girl who likes Steve Riech and Terry Riley, I'd say there's a 50% chance that that's a really good thing, and a 50% chance that that's a really, really bad thing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

same thing if you meet boys who like Reich and Riley, of course.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, way xpost, regarding the Who's Baba O' Reilly...I was looking at Robert Wyatt's Solar Flares compilation and noticed a song calle Blimey O' Riley and thought...wouldn't it be funny if that was also a Terry Riley tribute? So I put in on, and well, maybe I'm being presumptious, but sure enough there's some horn playing through echoplex/delay.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
http://www.bam.org/events/05RING/05RING.aspx

Riley's also performing a solo piece for prepared piano somewhere on the upper west side.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

http://oberon481.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/20/satyagraha070803.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsU7wczwbNI&feature=related

the met's been broadcasting their shows in HD, I hope this becomes commercially available

I remember buying the Satyagraha box when I was in high school and sort of mortified when I dropped the needle to hear traditional bel canto operatic singing, I was expecting another Einstein. sat through the whole thing sort of nonplussed and thinking I'd just completely wasted my money, until I got to the third LP which very gradually worked me over. the second it was over I went back and listened to all of the first LP again

Milton Parker, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

i have a question and a joke to share. the question is, has anyone heard the phillip glass/leonard cohen collaboration? i am intrigued and would appreciate any insight. the joke, from the new documentary glass by scott hicks, is ~

knock knock
who's there?
knock knock
who's there?
knock knock
who's there?
knock knock
who's there?
knock knock
who's there?
knock knock
who's there?
phillip glass

kamerad, Friday, 25 April 2008 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

has it been four years? I had forgotten this thread. That Terry Riley/Philip Glass concert was definitely a turning point for me. "In C" especially was responsible for warping my 17 year old mind.

s. morris, Friday, 25 April 2008 22:46 (eighteen years ago)


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