Taking Sides : Ivor Cutler vs Menswear

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For the quiet pastoralism of "I'm going in a field", and the fact that I never actually got round to doing the trance/rave remix of it... vs the 'world at our feet' conceit of "Being Brave" what the hell...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 April 2004 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Who do you think you are? CRW??

Buster (mokey), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I vote Ivor Cutler for what it's worth...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I believe in bugs, also.

Buster (mokey), Thursday, 29 April 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

So that's two nil for Ivor Cutler then.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Three nil.

"'Canada!' he would shout..."

OleM (OleM), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:13 (twenty-two years ago)

four nil

"that did it that did it - CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP
a yellowy canary - CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP"

zappi (joni), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the eternal debate...

Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ETERNAL! LOUISE ! DRINK!!

jack (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You're not fooling anyone, "jack".

Buster (mokey), Friday, 30 April 2004 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

This is far too sophisticated to be a CRW thread.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but who gets your vote?

Buster (mokey), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Menswear, if only cos I don't know any Ivor Cutler.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You may as well kill me.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep on seeing Ivor wandering up and down Kentish Town Road, looking a bit bedraggled and bewildered. I am a bit worried. I thought about going up and having a chat, but then I remembered the last time I met him, at a reading I was managing, and how I had addressed him as 'Ivor' and how he had responded 'That's MR CUTLER to you, young man!'. But he was a pussycat, really.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

He used to be a school teacher, you know. Once a school teacher...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Grout, you are a genius. Only a genius could possibly present us with such an impossible choice.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It's 4-1 so far...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ivor Cutler. By a whisker.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I stand alone.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh geez. It's like being asked to choose between Mary and Jesus.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

WWCS?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost but OTM anyway, so change that to...)
WWCD?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep on seeing Ivor wandering up and down Kentish Town Road, looking a bit bedraggled and bewildered...

I'm just glad to hear he's still alive.

Buster (mokey), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

you see this one is tuff. i have for years never understood the appeal of Ivor Cutler. i used to hang out with kid at school way back in the mid-80's who worshipped him, never got into his words of wisdom.
then he was featured on a FAX ambient album that was ace other than his additions.
so i would love to side with Sick-ness just to stand apart. but .. its Menswear ? and that makes it tuff.
but het .. to add some balance. give me music industry sanctioned indie guitar pop music over weird ramblings of a lovely old man any day .. (i realise this will make me a hated man round some parts .. but hey .. i can live with that. and my menswear album)

mark e (mark e), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this your spoon?!

voice, Friday, 30 April 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

http://homepages.force9.net/king1/Barton/Images/Thumbnails/tn_HereIsMySpoonCover.jpg

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, more clearly...
http://homepages.force9.net/king1/Barton/Images/HereIsMySpoonCover.jpg

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you kill my brother?

voice, Friday, 30 April 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Good morning, how are you SHUT UP!! ivors the best

ladyintheradiator (ladyinradiator), Friday, 30 April 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

don't give me the small talk...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 30 April 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Another for Ivor. I can't say I have any fond memories of Menswear's music; I remember mildly disliking them. Of course, my mind could change if I heard them again and found I'd been missing something, but it don't seem that likely to me. They do have their defenders - or defender - around here somewhere, don't they? ;-)

Tom May (Tom May), Friday, 30 April 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Ivor Cutler for what it's worth.


I mean Menswear sucked so hard that they did the ‘i want to look 1996 and foolish’ classic move whereby you substitute an '@' for an 'a'. fucking stupid. Though maybe they really wanted to be called Menswater but needed to masonically code it for fear of alienating the nuLad BritTwat fraternity...?

james porter (james porter), Friday, 30 April 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Ivor Cutler on a documentary I saw many years ago, walking on grass in a public park in bare feet. trouser legs rolled up, while his beautiful old wife watched from a bench - she may have even been knitting. Ivor: "I let sensations permeate through my feet into my unconscious and I skim it off the surface... also, I'm an incurable show-off".

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 1 May 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)


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