The Roots- Don't Say Nuthin

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WTF? Lead single? Pretty lackluster coming from the roots.
Generic keyboard beat. weak rhymes.
The song sounds like a throw away

jj, Monday, 10 May 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

plot=lost

oops (Oops), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

havent heard it but i imagine its shit. the roots' questlove is the king of hyperbole, but their last album was MOR hop.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

they finally did a song that sounds like a regular rap beat and it sucks

Al (sitcom), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

it's ok. the guitar part is kind of knight rider/spybreak ish, but not enough. obviously they broke their own three syllable single title rule (break you off, what they do, you got me etc etc).

.rob (rgeary), Monday, 10 May 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"Generic keyboard beat. weak rhymes"

this honestly sums up most roots songs for me

jake in portland (cerybut), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

apparently there is a "virtual duet" between them and sly on the new record

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

move over bono!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Strongo, you have given me fears. Specifically because what Hilburn and the ex-drummer from Gay Dad will now say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Phrenology was totally excellent, and now they're doing virtual duets? Humph.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah someone we both know is writing about it for a certain antiquated tech mag (that starts with wir and ends in -ed) who are very psyched by the idea of this virtual duet.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, I know! we talked about it, believe me.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Natalie Cole to thread!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps someday in the distant future black thought will be duetting with a vacuum cleaner in a commercial

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

check yr email strongo

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 10 May 2004 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha!

the reason the 'virtual duet' was even possible is bcz the roots have access to the original sly masters, because they are doing a sly remix album which will be released in like six months i guess (i think this is an awful idea, too.), so they were able to 'play' w. the band (by using various individual tracks from the original multitrack recording...guitar, etc) from the original of 'everybody is a star'. it sounds just fine, but that's because their source material is a great song. it's not by any stretch an amazing reinterpretation, though. i'd much rather just listen to the original.

didn't think the album was so terrific as a whole, but it's certainly nice enough. then again, i only got to listen to it once in a studio. (no thanks, major record labels who don't "do" promos!)

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 02:24 (nineteen years ago) link

don't get me wrong I'm a fan but it's a weak song
the beat is by Scott Storch.
go figure

jj, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Scott Storch sucks, go figure

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

He does? "Murda Marcy" coulda fooled me.

The Roots get unfairly shit on cuz of the fanbase that chooses to hoist them up as an ex. of rap that uses "real instruments" etc. but they are a v. interesting group that have released a number of great songs over the years and put on terrific live shows. "Silent Treatment" is beautiful.

That said, yeah this new single sucks pretty much.

djdee2005, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

at first i thought DSNuthin' was too little of everything- a rather weak and safe radio song that would not convert any 'radio-loving non-roots fans' nor would it satisfy the die-hards, if for no other reason than cuz the song is damn near transparent.

now, i think the same thing- but i see it's getting them a pretty good amount of face/ear time on tv & radio... so if that was the point, mission accomplished.

wish i'd caught their performance on jimmy kimmel last night

ps. DSNuthin' is like a hyped up club version of what they were trying to do with "Comin' to Break You Off"

naturalaw-dp, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

oh the roots do plenty themselves to encourage that same fanbase, djdee! have you ever read a ?love interview?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

don't get me wrong, the roots have made some fine music in their time (though never a wholly successful album, shocker of shockers), but their whole schtick is suspect.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

For a drummer, Ahmir is a very good writer.

I can't believe I haven't even heard OF this song. As a member of "that same fanbase", I feel like I've failed them.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

also being named "hip-hop's best live band" is like being called "jazz's best rock drummer" or "klezmer's best rhythm programmer".

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

It sounds so forced when they try to make pop hitz these days. The ideal Roots album would be Things Fall Apart-style hard beats with only Malik B. and Dice Raw on the mic (they can keep the ?uestlove dn'b beats from 'You Got Me' and 'Break You Off' though).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

klezmer's best rhythm programmer".

I think I've found my niche.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

haha i knew you'd appreciate that.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"With contributions from Jean Grae, Martin Luther, Devin the Dude, guitarist Captain Kirk Douglas, producer Scott Storch and comedian Dave Chappelle, 'The Tipping Point' also highlights the collective of artists and producers who the Roots have championed throughout their career. Elsewhere on the record, comedian Dave Chappelle makes an appearance on "In Love With (The Mic)" and the group also pays homage to Sly and the Family Stone with a "virtual" duet on "Everybody is a Star."

WTF with "Everybody is a Star"? Is it required that once-phenomenal groups attempt to cover this song to questionable ends (I'm thinking also about Fishbone's WTF-to-the-max version ft. George Clinton y Gwen Stefani).

If there is no Malik B. on this album I will be sadified.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

And wtf "guitarist Captain Kirk Douglas"? What's the name of the song he guests on "I Am Spartacus"?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

wait a minute, martin luther?!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

the protestant reformer or the civil rights activist?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i got 99 thesis and a bitch ain't one

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.ohwy.com/history%20pictures/martin-luther.gif

Looks like he's mc'ing to me.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

jay-z could teach him a thing or two about rhyming from memory.

scissors (Honda), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's not exactly free-styling there, is he. Maybe he's more on the Saul Williams spoken word tip.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

saul williams? ML...K? hmm

scissors (Honda), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

oh man i totally forgot to suggest that dj krust/saul williams track when ethan was trying to come up with his "10 horrible rap songs" list

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

That is indeed a horrible song, I can't believe he put it on his record.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

http://theroots.umusic.com/default.asp?referrerCode=rootssite

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

four grand is an odd amount

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

holy god, this really does suck rocks

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

uh nickalix, I don't think Malik B. was on the last album, either

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

He DEFINITELY wasn't, I was hoping he woulda heard "Water" and changed his ways, but alas, it was all for not...

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Thought looks like a motorcycle cop in those sunglasses.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

no, he's the stunt double for the Cee-lo Green is the Soul Machine cover shoot

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I was hoping he woulda heard "Water" and changed his ways, but alas, it was all for not...

Maybe it would have worked if they hadn't put that five minutes of "avant-noise" in the middle of the song. He probably heard it and said, "Damn, now why would I want to clean up and re-join a band that intentionally ruins their only song about me."

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

having now heard this i can say with all certainty that it is indeed total ass. the video sucks too. (you fucking lamers are NOT FROM NEW YORK!!!:"O)_*(U(+)(*&^_&_Y*)(*(8!!!!) (fuck will smith too while i'm thinking about it.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i almost wonder what the kids on the okayplayer messageboard have to say about it. almost.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link

There's nothing wrong with the beat. WTF is up with that hook though?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i know klezmer's best rhythm programmer!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://members.aol.com/Polecattt/bears1.jpg

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

that sure beats the picture of naftule brandwein i was trying to post

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

your xpost ruined my "what is up with that hook" joke!!

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought you were trying to send me a cryptic message!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i was kind of embarrassed to ask what that meant!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

does know one know the hillbilly bears?! where the hell is adam?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm jewish, we're not allowed to watch that stuff

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oh the roots do plenty themselves to encourage that same fanbase, djdee! have you ever read a ?love interview?

I haven't ... but industry rule #4,081 is that all modern hip-hop artists who release good music have to talk about how corny other hip-hop is.

djdee2005, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
having heard the album now, all the scott storch productions suck, the rest of it kicks... especially the sly stone track (more of a remix than a straight cover)

stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
The production on this album is surprisingly loose (I don't want to say sloppy as to imply a negative sound, it's like AWESOME slop) and even kinda abrasive, something The Roots (except for the Stockhausenisms of "Water") haven't ever really messed with much.

"Don't Say Nuthin" seemed kinda weak at first but god if it isn't growing on me. The hook is fucking really getting to me (that's a good thing), it almost reminds me of some of the more mumbly less heartbroken drunken Tom Waits moments.

I will say that The Tipping Point gets increasingly better with each listen. Their "that fan base" we metioned above aren't going to like it, because they expect that Roots sound (the Rhodes, the upright bass, the clean as shit drum mix, etc), which they really definitely aren't going to get from this.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 25 June 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

the beat has grown on me for this, and black thoughts rapping is really good, especially on the first verse. the hook is kinda catchy/silly/quirky too.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmmm. I will check it out, but I prefer the anal how-do-they-get-those-sounds tight production style to their more live-sounding stuff (The Seed, Water, etc.).

(Nick, they've hardly used upright bass since Do You Want More!)

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

This is the only Roots single I like ever. Video's shit though.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

This single still annoys me...And not bcuz its a new direction but bcuz its boring.

"Silent Treatment" is their best single by far in my opinion...that said I'm not a huge fan of their "classic" sound for the most part, I've been waiting for a "new direction" for awhile - hopefully the new album is as you say.

djdee2005, Saturday, 26 June 2004 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to really love the Roots and have all their albums, but ugg this song...

I'd second "Silent Treatment"s goodness, but their best album is Things Fall Apart w/the studio fuckery and all.

They are playing this jam band festival a few hours from me over the 4th of July weekend. The fact that this makes perfect sense is one of the reasons (also Black Thought ain't sayin nothin new) I don't rate them anymore.

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 26 June 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link

black thought has become one of the most boring MCs ever. he talks about the same stuff (personally, i never want to hear him talking about performing live on stage with his band ever again) in virtually every song with the same flow. he even sounds bored with himself.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Saturday, 26 June 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

love this song and the video idk

Spottie, Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB5coQcelAk

Spottie, Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link

I was sure this revive would be for the recent Black Thought freestyle on Flex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA

Simon H., Friday, 15 December 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link

Listened to "Things Fall Apart" for the first time in ages last week. What an awesome sounding record.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 December 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link

xppost Jesus. Forget his virtuosity, that really makes me appreciate how slow my brain is.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 December 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link

yeah it's one of the best radio "freestyles" i've ever seen, even moreso because the lyrics are actually great and deep, not just impressive technically the in the late Eminem or whoever battle rap youtube bullshit perhaps i'm bad because i stab a crab and slap my dad with a maxipad in the back of a taxicab type junk

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link

lol, otm.

Funny how old-school skills are so suited to the viral clip era.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 December 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link

yah its good, was going through roots stuff yesterday after watching it. i dunno how someone can do that without breaking for ten minutes or whatever. no slip-ups.

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link

perhaps i'm bad because i stab a crab and slap my dad with a maxipad in the back of a taxicab

literally indistinguishable from the quotes from the new Em album on the other thread. uncanny.

Simon H., Friday, 15 December 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link

yah lol

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

love this song and the video idk

― Spottie, Thursday, December 14, 2017 4:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, was always great

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 15 December 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

was weird reading this thread and seeing all the hate for it. been a top ten roots track since i first heard it.

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link

Things Fall Apart is still one of my favorite sounding albums ever and I go back to it at least once a year. Can't say that for any Roots album since. Also sounds the best out of that crop of Soulquarians @ Electric Ladyland records.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link

havent listened to that one in years but i reckon it's still my favorite roots record.

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link

How I got over and rising down are pretty underrated. Great band

In a slipshod style (Ross), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link

I haven’t checked Anything since rising down, which I liked at the time

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link

i'm guessing there's still no such thing as a bad roots record but i also haven't really checked out anything since how i got over

game theory was my fav when i listened to this band regularly, maybe i should go through the whole catalog soon

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 15 December 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link

yeah same. i started in on Do You Want More yesterday.

aways loved the organ on I Remain Calm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduCiaOoeHw
and the one w the bagpipes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNbug0_F0Io

Spottie, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

"i told you stay out the hood....circumcised" lmao

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 15 December 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link


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