sorry, recomend me some ska.

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like i said, rolly, dancable, not too rootsy, you know funky

lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 09:45 (twenty-two years ago)

All you really will ever need....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005YU95.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah forget those pesky jamaicans

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, if she's only discovering Ska for the first time, don't you think this would be an easier introduction than going right to Desmond Dekker?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoops. He. Sorry, Lukey.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

desmond dekker isn't exactly "out there," and he pisses all over most second-wave/two-tone ska.
a good compilation to get is club ska '67, which has some of my favorite classics: "stop making love," "rub up, push up," "pied piper," "dancing mood."

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah, he's not out there as much as a lot of others, but in terms of the most user-friendly introduction to Ska, I'd still suggest the first Specials album.

In any event, AVOID THIRD WAVE CALIFORNIAN NEO SKA AT ALL COSTS!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

By this I mean The Dance Hall Crashers and their vile ilk.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

amen to that!

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

As well as The Specials get 'On My Radio' by The Selecter.

Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Avoid that "Rudy, a Message to you" by Jamie Cullem.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Hold on, I've just noticed there are two threads of this. Why does this keep happening? Maybe it's time for that bloke to ask how long 'Marquee Moon' is again...

Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

really DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER buying ANY TWO-TONE WHATSOEVER until you've heard prince buster, a few trojan tighten up comps, or maybe the trojan ska boxset. for god's sake if you're coming at this stuff from a retro perspective you might as well start at the start.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's right...have him go out and buy a box set. Yeah, that's sound advice.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, if you were recommending an easy-to-digest starting point, "all you will ever need" seems a strange phrase to use.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ahh heck, the box sets are only around £10, maybe even £7 if you get lucky...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

For '90s ska, the first couple of Hepcat albums weren't bad.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

the box set is avbou 20 bucks alex so please have a go when you know waht you're talking about

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry for the typing all. and alex, as tim says i don't really believe that one (admittedly very good) punk-filtered revival comp by one band is all you will ever need to get a grounding in ska, for fuck's sake.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It certainly isn't ALL you need, but I do think that 2-Tone is an excellent entryway into the original material.

Is it OK to admit that some of Operation Ivy's ska material was pretty good? Nonwithstanding the horrendous shit it spawned, I mean.

mike a, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

ah, having just looked at the pic again, it's not the comp but the same applies. comps give you variety and you can make up your mind what you like then rather than having fucking idiots telling you "this is all you ever need" in a tone in which the self-importance far outweighs the knowledge behind the proclamation. also if you want to listen to ska and are a beginner, starting afresh, then why do you need a route in? just statr at the beginning. jeezus wept am i the only person who talks any kind of sense on this board?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

dave otm. you can get the trojan sets very, very cheaply. as i said upthread, i really don't see the point in buying any revival stuff when it's so vastly inferior to the original material.

xpost - maybe i'm talking sense, just a bit?

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

yes - you often do, sorry

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i actually picked up a trojan box set in a supermarket while buying bread the other day for £4

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I recommend "Ghost Town" by the Specials.

Mister Snrub (MisterSnrub), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

wtf how is The Specials any more novice-friendly than 60s Jamaican ska??? It's just party/dance music, and you could dive right into the authentic Jamaican stuff straight off.

Trojan box sets are good, and you could pick them up for about $15 here in the US.
Justin Hinds -- Ska Uprising, first several songs are straight-up ska and then gradually the track selection mutates into rocksteady.
Skatalites --- Foundation Ska, just what the title says
Don Drummond -- Best of, duplicates a few tracks from Foundation Ska but Don is such the man that it's still worth picking up.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

also need some Prince Buster. 'Fabulous Greatest Hits' on the Sequel label is great (watch out, there's other comps with the same name on other labels)

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

big 5!

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

It took jamaicans to invent ska, but it took stoned californian dropout surfers to perfect it. Start with Sublime, then maybe some Rancid, then No Doubt's first album (they sorta sold out after that) and go from there!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

how could I forget!?

http://www.asianmanrecords.com/basket/images/keychains/skankinpickle.jpg

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"In any event, AVOID THIRD WAVE CALIFORNIAN NEO SKA AT ALL COSTS! "

A sage piece of advice. I remember when that shit started getting popular I hated it because it was so peppy and cheerful and I was so angry and self-loathing/pitying.

"Is it OK to admit that some of Operation Ivy's ska material was pretty good? Nonwithstanding the horrendous shit it spawned, I mean."

Op Ivy was cool. I liked and still like them. The bands they influenced, however...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh fuck all y'all....

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

come on. at least i didn't say that we should hunt down the specials and beat them with croquet mallets 'til they beg for mercy as punishment for so befouling the musical landscape.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

argentine ska band (early on they were ska) los fabulosos cadillacs.. first record from 1987 called "yo te avise"..wonderful stuff....highly highly recommended...

serge, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

As Dave said get the Trojan Ska Box 1 or 2, or preferably this 2-CD set (Rough and Tough):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000630XU/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/026-5397279-9938866

It's better sound quality than the cheap n cheerful 3D boxes, but not as much music obv. It does a good job of chronicling the rise of ska outta mento/calypso and Ja R&B through to the morph into rocksteady in 66-ish.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

At this risk of inviting more ire (as opposed to irie), I would like to pedantically point out that Los Fabulosos Cadillacs are much more than simply a ska band.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Rancid did good punk stuff too that wasn't very ska. Also Skankin Pickle had some metal stuff, and I think the Bosstones might have done a lounge song or two?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Rancid's ska stuff is vastly superior to their other stuff, actually.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"Time Bomb" is a great single.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Agreed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

that box set sounds good. for a single disc comp try Soul Jazz's Studio One Ska maybe. Or the two volumes of Intensified if they're still around.

also for something completely ridiculous: Longsy D. late 80's ska mixed with acid house = skacid.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

GO FOR THAT NEW KILLING JOKE SONG THAT SOUNDS LIKE DICKY BARRETT

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

we used to have a grand old time goin to less than jake shows.

who cares if they were like 12th generation?

the point was candy everywhere!

"my boy lollipop" by millie small. i love that tune.
m.

msp, Thursday, 13 May 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember working kitchen at a third-wave ska show at First Avenue when this 15-year-old kid came up and ordered a slice of pizza. "They're really good, aren't they?" he asked. "I'm not really into 'em," I said. "I like ska, but I'm a much bigger fan of older Jamaican stuff." "They have ska in Jamaica?" the kid asked, dumbfounded. For a split second I thought about sonning him but then thought better of it: "Yeah, that's where the music was invented in the '60s." He had no idea. I wrote down a couple of titles for him to check out, and he went away w/his pizza looking bedazzled. I've always hoped he took my advice.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 May 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(the titles were Club Ska '67, Intensified! 1962-66, and More Intensified!. this was 1997.)

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 13 May 2004 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

. . . and this 15 year old kid was none other than Alex in NYC. It's amazing how some people never learn.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 13 May 2004 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)


Best of Toots and the Maytals
Solid Gold from the Vaults 1 and 2 (Trojan)
Second that "Intensified" comp

For slsk:

Lord Tanamo - "I'm in the mood for love"
Beverlys and the Maytals - "Walk with love"
The Charms - "Carry go bring come"
Toots and the Maytals - "4664 was my number"
Baba Brooks - "Seven guns alive"
Beverly All Stars - "The monster"
Ethiopians - "Owe me no pay me"

I'm never quite sure what's technically ska vs rocksteady vs early reggae, but this is all stuff I like from that period...

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I would recommend Sicilian rocksteday band Roy Paci & the Aretuska.
bye
http://nightpassage.free.fr/eng.html

night passage, Thursday, 13 May 2004 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)

**I'm never quite sure what's technically ska vs rocksteady vs early reggae**

Ska = faster tempo (one-a, two-a) + usually plenty of brass. Died out c.66

**I'm never quite sure what's technically ska vs rocksteady vs early reggae**

Ska = faster tempo (one-a, two-a) + usually plenty of brass. Died out c.66

Rocksteady = the third beat is accentuated ('one-drop') often with the kick drum and the tempo is slower. Less horns.

Early Reggae = double beat on the 1 or 3, often a guitar or organ.

This is all approximate!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 13 May 2004 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you should probably be using even numbers rather than odd there, C.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The Slackers (particularly their album with Glen Adams and Susan Cadogan on), the aforementioned Hepcat and the Pietasters are all fine examples of 90s/00s ska bands that actually have some semblance of respect for the original stuff (and good choons). Just so's you don't have to completely immerse yourself in an era long before you were born

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Dog Latin he say fuck the 3CD Trojan comps as they dilute reggae down to the bare bones and just don't do it justice. Far better are the slightly pricier Trojan comps that come in a card sleeve with full colour liner notes. As I say, more expensive but the sound quality is a lot better and the selection of tracks don't sound like they were handpicked by rhesus monkeys.

Here are some that were mentioned on the other thread or that I think are good:

Loch Ness Monster (Trojan)
A rerelease of an early skinhead comp. Lots of Lee Perry-style keyboard instrumentals plus some pretty good songs. Some very odd themes on this one: a song about a baby that wants to have sex with its own mother; one about a Chinese king who wants to have sex with a Jamaican girl and about 7 songs about vampires. All good rollicking stuff, maybe a bit much to take in in one sitting though.

Dancehall 69
More skinhead ska. Slightly more melodic than the grinding Loch Ness comp. This has some classics such as "The Conqueror", "When The Saints Go Marching In" and "The Liquidator". Weighing in as a double comp it can get a bit sprawling, especially since about 75% of the tracks are instrumentals.

Lee Scratch Perry - The Upsetter
A really good early Lee Perry album. Again, lots of insrumentals but the vocal tracks alone are worth the money. Busty Brown's version of "To Love Somebody" is great, but even better are the two tracks by the Silvertones which are probably two of my favourite reggae songs.

One Step Beyond
Comprised of two CDs. CD1 covers the original ska greats. They're all on here, Lord Tanamo, Millie, The Cats, Symarip plus loads more. I've been really enjoying this one and it's fantastic for a summer party. CD2 I haven't heard yet but it delves into the whole 2Tone revival (i.e. the mighty Specials, Madness, Selector, Judge Dread), again it all looks good.

You could do no worse than go for the Best of Tighten Up comp though. Honestly the best thing I've bought in several years. Not necessarily all ska, but if you want a primer on the best reggae to be released in Britain and Jamiaca in the late 60s and early 70s, look no further. It really is amazing.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:47 (twenty-two years ago)

the Street corner Ska compilation is a good one (on Metro I think, who seem to specialise in doing primer type albums) it has some fantastic Baba Brooks stuff on it, especially a track called Vitamin A which is my favourite at the moment.

chris (chris), Thursday, 13 May 2004 09:50 (twenty-two years ago)

. . and this 15 year old kid was none other than Alex in NYC. It's amazing how some people never learn.

Oh go fuck yerself, Alex. Listen, I've heard fuckin' Prince Buster and Desmond Dekker and Lyn Taite and the Comets and all that stuff, and as great as it is, I simply prefer the Specials. Sorry.

GO FOR THAT NEW KILLING JOKE SONG THAT SOUNDS LIKE DICKY BARRETT

Oh chortle. How wildy original of you.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Lukey, having recently got the Trojan Ska boxset for £7 looking for a nice overview/introduction: you can't go wrong (it's mindblowingly mindblowing in it's mindblowingness).

Also, the thing that got me interested was an old Desmond Dekker album that I've had for years, that my dad had for some reason. That was followed by a very good post-66 Toots and The Maytals best of ('20 Massive Hits'). And ain't that song called '54-46 That's My Number' not '4664'?

N.B. Toots is touring Europe at the moment - http://www.tootsandthemaytals.net/toots/tourdates.aspx

Jim Cassius (J.Cassius), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)


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