RFI: irdial-disc (lost idm masterpieces, pt 2)

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so i just picked up "too many fools following too many rules" and anthony manning's "chromium nebulae".

i have some questions:

1) who were these people?
2) who was aqua regia? the guy was a genius!

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 22 May 2004 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

also the less said about neuropolitique, the better.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 22 May 2004 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

also: is this what caused GOA TRANCE?

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 22 May 2004 09:10 (twenty-two years ago)

what do you think of the cover to "fools" vahid?

― mullygrubber (gaz), Saturday, 22 May 2004 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Lots of stuff to download here:
irdial-disc.

― t, Saturday, 22 May 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

aqua regia was just one guy iirc. i love his music. i wish he'd come back and do some more. 'big band house' still rocks my world and 'pump up the led's to red, take some drugs and shake your head' is the best title ever. the man singlehandedly invented ambient house too.

irdial - so far ahead of the loop it's just craaaazy.

― stirmonster, Saturday, 22 May 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

In Sync - "Subway Route" at full volume* summoned the cops at a party I DJ'd

* not easy cos it's about 18 minutes long on one side of vinyl
have to really crank it

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 22 May 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I believe Aqua Regia is Irdial boss Enrique [my memory's hazy about this] Fernandez. Ambient house was actually invented in the early '80s by Manuel Gottsching [E2-E4], Ash Ra Tempel's guitarist. Strange, but true. Ask Carl Craig.
What's so bad about Neuropolitique? His Beyond the Pinch has some amazing moments.

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think akin frnandez was aqua regia. as for mr. gottsching - e2-e4 isn't house in the true sense. if yr following that logic then steve hillage's 'rainbow dome music' would be the starting point. i know jimmy cauty and alex patterson coined the phrase but i think aqua regia pipped them to the post with the music.

btw, PLEASE don't refer to irdial as idm (bleugh!)

― stirmonster, Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

i think most stuff on irdial sounds like b12. just the dancier bits are dancier and have more guts and the non-dancy bits are smoother and freakier and more interesting. so i call it idm. so sue me.

neuropolitique is pretty high-profile so i don't need to hear any more about him. beyond that, he's really pretentious and i've heard he's unpleasant. and his music is really corny - when the joke was made that idm means "imitating derrick may" i think they were talking about him. oh and his late career swerve into 1991 breakbeat dressed up as intelligent techno = totally laughable.

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Akin had a load of pseudonyms, but I can't be sure if he indeed recorded as Aqua Regia (AR's allmusic.com entry is very skimpy with info, too).

Hillage's Rainbow Dome Musick is totally ambient; not a beat to be heard on it, so it would be innacurate to call it a precursor to house. E2-E4 had an insistent pulse that helped endear it to many of the DJs who went to make house music. I've read that Paterson used to spin Rainbow Dome Musick in his chillout DJ sets.

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...

What else is there that is in the same vein as AND is as fantastically wonderful as 'NYC Smile on Me'?

Be as obvious (or otherwise) as you want!

― danski (danski), Monday, 28 August 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

sort of lazy, but i can't recommend this laurent garnier mix enough ... you should search out all of those artists (garnier, BT, guillame la tortue, UR in "nation 2 nation" / "galaxy 2 galaxy" hitechjazz mode, robert armani and so on)

sabres of paradise "smokebelech ii"

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ah yes X-mix 2, so beautiful.

― Omar (Omar), Monday, 28 August 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

"neuropolitique is pretty high-profile so i don't need to hear any more about him."

pretty strange statement considering he's almost completely unknown even in IDM circles...

"when the joke was made that idm means "imitating derrick may" i think they were talking about him. "

except Matt's 'Mayday' influenced material involved him using Derrick's actual equipment, in Derrick's actual studio often with Derrick guiding him on drum programming, etc.

Matt' is very well respected in Detroit. He, Lee Insync and possibly Frankie Foncett were the first Europeans to go and check those techno guys out in Detroit. Matt stayed for over a year and gained enormous respect for living in one of the heaviest neighbourhoods and taking the bus to go help out at Transmat everyday.

"oh and his late career swerve into 1991 breakbeat dressed up as intelligent techno = totally laughable."

laughable was the actual point... it was a satire on the kind of music popular at raves at the time.

BTW - I believe Aqua Regia was Akin (Fernandez), boss of Ir-dial.

― Kirk Degiorgio (Kirk), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

― arjun (arjun), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

these days i like b12 better than irdial. and i still don't like neuropolitique.

gained enormous respect for living in one of the heaviest neighbourhoods and taking the bus to go help out at Transmat everyday

note to europeans: please stop romanticizing the ghetto.

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

"note to europeans: please stop romanticizing the ghetto."

read again.. that's what producers living in Detroit say about Matt... they always ask about him when I speak to them as he's rarely on the radar these days.

FYI - B12 are repressing their entire back catalogue on CD very soon. They also told me they have some new material ready to go - some of which they have been testing live for the past year.

― Kirk Degiorgio (Kirk), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, well, i can only listen with my own ears and not derrick may's ... neuropolitique's records still sound like crap.

― the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

i was not addressing the point of whether you think they are sound crap or not... that's not interesting to me... the point was that saying Neuropolitique is simply a Derrick May copyist is not entirely fair as Derrick himself had a significant role to play in those early tracks... using the same equipment and following guidance regarding programming, tape editing is obviously going to lead to some similarity.

Fair enough?

― Kirk Degiorgio (Kirk), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

I can't go on.

FYI - B12 are repressing their entire back catalogue on CD very soon. They also told me they have some new material ready to go - some of which they have been testing live for the past year.

I'll go on.

― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:55 (nineteen years ago)

I went to a "neo-rave" in Angel, London a few weeks ago where B12 was supposedly going to play, but I never saw them. Maybe they played at like 6am or something, though, I didn't make it that long.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

Bang Face? B12 seem to play there quite a lot. I saw them a while back. Very acidy but not hugely thrilling

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Beyond The Pinch, but I thought the cover art was a bit cheeky...

that first Neuropolitique CD really grew on me at the time...its inherent oppressiveness (I can't imagine a more claustrophobic piece of music) became its strength...unrelenting, unrepentant...

― hank (hank s), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't he a tour manager now?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

yes, Bang Face! these was a huge second room, a loungey space next to the coat check, where I assumed B12 was going to be, but they were just pumping the music from the main floor through to those speakers as well.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

"Isn't he a tour manager now?"

correct...

― Kirk Degiorgio (Kirk), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Having a Irdial moment just now... Fricking awesome label.

― mmmm, Friday, 29 February 2008 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

remember john peel playing 'nyc smile on me'. listening to it again and, woah, it's fucking amazing really, isn't it?

― or something, Saturday, 1 March 2008 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

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