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Sigh. I know, I know I can just go to AMG...<going there presently>

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, AMG isn't helping me.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Random comments:

Nobody's mentioned Schmidt's bombastic fantasy ooooperrrrra Gormenghast yet, I see. :) (Actually, it has some quite beautiful moments on it). Toy Planet with Bruno Spoerri I quite like, that has some subtly great tracks on it.

Radio Wave Surfer...I don't even think I got past the first 3 tracks of that, I thought it was awful (at least, at the time). Agreed that the Sylvian collabs are pretty decent. I'll have to track down some more of Czukay's solo stuff based on the feedback here...

I like the Karoli/Eltes album, myself.

Re: Cluster
Good solo Roedelius includes Durch Die Wuste and Lustwandel. Wenn der Sudwind Weht I had for the longest time, since it basically completes the former two (recorded around the same time), but I was listening to it one day and just said, "Nah, don't need it." I have one he did in the early 90s where he reads this poem in German at the end...can't remember the title offhand. Also had one of the albums he did with Aqueous, but didn't find it keep-able. Solo Moebius hasn't really struck a chord with me.

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, man, I think "Persian Love" is just gorgeous (assume that's the song you mean, Bimble). The aforementioned guitar playing, the dictaphone cut-up. Let that one sink into you, Bimble. "Cool In the Pool" is silly for sure, but it's good silly, as opposed to annoying silly. It's kind of Holger's disco Beach Boys thing, I think, sort of of a piece with "I Want More"...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Having heard it now, I agree "Persian Love" is be the best thing on Movies, but the song I was originally talking about was supposedly a B-SIDE to the 12" of it (maybe the person named just named it funny, but it wasn't the same as 'Persian Love', that's for sure)

Also, does anyone have comments about Klaus Schulze? I know I've heard good stuff by him in the past, but if he's too ambient I'll want to steer clear. I just don't have the patience anymore for really ambient stuff (even Eno's) the way I did when I was younger.

Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 27 May 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

what about "Hey Baba Reebop"?

It's fuggin' classic

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, does anyone have comments about Klaus Schulze?

Most of it is probably too ambient for what it sounds like you are looking for. If you get any of it, stick with the analog stuff, like Timewind (though, again, that's probably way too mellow/ambient). I've heard a couple of early 90s albums by him (e.g., Dresden Performance, Dome Event) and they are real snoozers...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Not a fan of K. Schulze, but you could probably have guessed that

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

and they are real snoozers...

Then again, I would say that about a lot of the more popular/touted Krautrock releases, too...

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

haha you don't say. I used to have shitloads of klaus schulze albums, but I've trimmed it down to one ("X") which is really good, mostly. See, if I said he was "monotonous" someone could reply that eg "hallogallo" or "mother sky" is monotonous, but klaus' monotony is a whole other ballgame. Usually, (like eg last night) my klaus s listening consists of him drumming on ash ra tempel's "join inn"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Schulze defines monotonous. Neu! & Can, you can tell they're focused & alert while performing repetitive loops, but Schulze seems like someone who just hits record and is lucky if he notices when the tape's run out...

Irrlicht is a solid minimal drone, I agree X has some great maximal parts, it actually sounds composed, though a friend put on Timewind during a late night long distance drive and it didn't sound that bad...

(Jon L), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:18 (nineteen years ago) link

checked out the Czukay/Dr. Walker Clash that I reservedly recommended upthread. there are a few good moments at the beginning of disc 2. most of it really is unfocused and Walker's beats are beyond generic, they're an insult.

Czukay/Liebezeit/Wobble's Full Circle though -- didn't listen to this as much as the other Czukay records growing up because it wasn't as composed, but that's the strength, this is a record you can leave on all day. overt reggae/dub references, jaki playing straight dub rimshot rhythms into syncopated space echo, tons of bizarre details floating through the mix.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Fave track on Full Circle, Milton?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

title track

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, yes, a sucker for the Holger guitar playing. I think the songs with Wobble singing are among Wobble's best.

BTW, On the Way to the Peak of Normal is, indeed, great. I also like the Phew album quite a bit...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

it's great. 'Fragment' is my favorite but this is the week for more listening.

I'm surprised the allmusic.com entry for Autobahn lists Conny Plank as the producer, despite the album packaging... bold

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Or, it being AMG, just wrong.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 28 May 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard this? Is it as glorious as a mess as the reviewer describes it to be?

willem (willem), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

no, the reviewer got it right, not glorious just a mess. I kind of want to hear it again now though.

(Jon L), Friday, 28 May 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I have this on vinyl. As I recall, it's not that bad, but it never jelled for me either. I remember thinking specifically that Kevorkian's "polyrhythmic electro-nonsense" was what dragged it down. But I, too, would like to hear it again...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 29 May 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to get around to Full Circle eventually, give me time. I did listen to Dan's link for How Much Are They and thought it was okay, but certainly not better than PiL and Can (what a mean feat in my opinion!).

I've actually stopped to smell the roses in my musical life, lately, and it's been good. Just got to stop chasing new things long enough to enjoy the things you already have.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 29 May 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoah, here's a discovery: while re-listening to Snake Charmer (by no means 1 or 1 1/2 stars, btw), I notice that the lyrics to "Hold On To Your Dreams" are by none other than Arthur Russell.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 30 May 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Milton, can I gets your email? I gots a question fors ya...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 03:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Milton, what happened to all those reviews you promised of all the Roedelius albums? Ha ha. Just kidding. If yer busy, yer busy!

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I came to my senses

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha! Fair enough.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Rother & John Frusciante - live in san francisco august 4th, 2004

see you there

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 05:32 (nineteen years ago) link

That's an inspired combination!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Or at least bizarre...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
setlist was 95% Rother solo tracks. 'Silberstreif' gets an extended 5 minute Neu! ending, one other track from Fernwarme (forget which offhand) gets an extended coda which Frusciante laid a beautiful solo over. Very happy.

they encored with 'Rawhide'.

(Jon L), Thursday, 5 August 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
ok so I passed on Thomas Dinger's Für Mich when Captain Trip put it out in the 90's... I like the first two La Dusseldorf albums okay, but the third one's not too great and didn't want to take the $25 risk... but this album's super nice. more of the melodic pastoral stuff from their first two, drawn out and wandered through -- mellower drums, but the riffs share the same DNA as all those other records I love. no rock freakouts, it's just time for tea.

it's got me curious about Klaus Dinger's 'Neondian' aka La Dusseldorf 4 -- does anyone have that? Is it an improvement over the third? I haven't heard any >90's Dinger I've ever been tempted to play again.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"Neondian" is sort of his big, slick-sounding 80's pop record. It's great! He does "Cha Cha 2000" and "Ich Liebe Dich" again.

Pangolino 2, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah Milton, I love 'Fur Mich'! It's *so* overbearingly romantic, but I can't help it .. it just hits a sweet spot.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

how about Code III "Planet of Man" - just got this weird 1974 LP featuring klaus schulze. not much music, lots of ambience and sounds. I also like the more rhythmic work he did like the albums Trancefer and Dune and the LP Tonwelle w/ Michael Shrieve. I think his 70's output is pretty dull, except Moondawn and Body Love. I also have a dance 12" he did called Macksy which is quite good.

GALKIN (GALKIN), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

milton, i was gonna tell you i have 'Fur Mich' and was gonna lend it to you, but i guess you already got it. the cross dressing pix on the inside are hillarious.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

cool -- I've only got mp3's, but I'll be picking it up, forced exposure seems to have it. 'Neondian' sounds good too, I guess my problem with the third one was the synths & production seemed too casual but if he went big for the fourth I'll check it out

looking through the forcedexposure blurbs, I'm getting the lineage a bit more worked out -- Engels der Herrn / la? Neu! etc. were the Klaus trainwrecks, but 1-A Dusseldorf was the Thomas Dinger band. I kind of had them all lumped in together. Has anyone checked out the 1-A Dusseldorf discs?

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I honestly never thought I'd be curious, but 'Fur Mich' is really hitting the spot

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got Fur Mich on original vinyl, but once when i was flipping it over i sorta dropped it and it's got a big ass scuff on it (luckily you can't hear it, but still sux)

also, i've got la! Neu?'s "Dusseldorf" from 96 and i wouldn't say that it's a trainwreck at all. sounds kinda like any other neu/dusseldorf record. a bit more spacious, less rocking, but just the same.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

there's something so tragic sounding about it. I can't put my finger on it, it's almost too intentionally pretty without being treacly or saccharine. Yeah, looking at those cross-dress pics really adds to the beauty-verging-on-creepy aspect.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

[re: fur mich]

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

also a fan of the two Spacebox records that John Bullabaugh mentions upthread

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link

ah man, don't make me want to start dropping bills on all those fucking la neu records, I just can't. I forget the ones I've heard, but the three I've heard were a mess

though I'll keep an eye out for 'dusseldorf'.

xpost haven't heard SPACEBOX. captain trips was really spraying the krautrock canvas with those reissues for a while.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently bought the 2nd Eno & Cluster record, and it's really good except for the tracks with voxx. Some of it is very effective new age music. Also, the Cosmic Jokers records I've heard should please any Ash Ra Tempel fans.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got la neu's 'goldregen' and i love it
anybody care to ysi für mich? pleeeeease

nervous (cochere), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://rapidshare.de/files/11778501/La__Neu_.zip.html

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

just listened to Snake Charmer. uh... well, it was only a dollar.

anyone heard the Conny Plank, Moebius & Mayo Thompson record from 83 (reissued on drag city)? weirdo stiff keyboard funk and mayo talking random crap on top. an insteresting listen, but not one of my faves.

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 26 January 2006 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

spacebox are worth checking out if you wanted exmagma to be way more fucked up.

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 January 2006 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Exmagma was plenty fucked up. fuckin' love those guys.

thoughts on Plank-related projects like Creative Rock and Lava? i've picked these up in the past few months back but haven't spent much time with either. also To Be and the first few Eulenspygel albums. worth bothering?

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Eulenspygel is actually good! I only have the second record but yes, recommended! I tried to order that Lava cd from FE but they were out.

yeah I don't really dig the Plank/Moebius/Mayo record that much either.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link


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