DESTROY: Cliched Radio Spot Music

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1. MOTHERFUCKING MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS (which I like but fuck you Ira Gla$$ca$hmoneymillionaire!).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

2. That quiet part from Talk Talk's "Spirit of Eden", you know the one

problem is i usually place these things and then quickly forget them...

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

3. PINK FLOYD'S "MONEY" cash register sounds used as intro to FINANCIAL REPORTING.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 May 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

4. OR FOR BASEBALL SALARY TALK.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

can i just complain generally about the way music is used in "this american life"?

almost never with any imagination.

often it's just some lazy correlation between a lyric and the preceding feature.

often it's some really heavy-handed "mood music" like, oh, i guess that was supposed to be "thoughtful" or "heavy."

often it's "selections from the reckless records used bin."

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

often it's just some lazy correlation between a lyric and the preceding feature.
Now you're spilling into "cliched advert music". Just a couple of hours ago, I saw an ad for bottled water that featured The Lightning Seeds' "Pure", y'know, the line "pure and simple every time" is supposed to describe the water.
These types of "lazy correlations" crop up all the time and they never fail to piss me off.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

kruder & dorfmeister tune used in some shampoo spot. bet that paycheck kept them in teflon for at least a week.

harshaw (jube), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

also: all the generic drum & bass used on modern rock alternative stations can goto hell.

harshaw (jube), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:54 (twenty-two years ago)

and didn't Moby license every track off Play?

he's cool.
http://www.chartattack.com/pics/2002/06/14-moby.jpg

harshaw (jube), Monday, 24 May 2004 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I missed there was a new thread about this.

My post from the movie music thread:

My best friend just completed an internship for This American Life -- one of her goals, at my encouragement was to try to get Ira to vary the underscoring music. I don't know if she succeeded or not. The one that drives me crazy is Uaxti's Aguas de Amazonia, which is a South American band covering Philip Glass -- they play that ALL THE TIME. (I think Glass Solo Piano sometimes, too.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 May 2004 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, Amateurist is OTM re: TAL. Although there's a difference between the underscoring music (which is prob. the "heavy-handed 'mood' music" you're talking about) and then the segue music (which is prob. the "lazy correlation" stuff). FWIW, since I've sat in on the show twice when it's been put together live in the studio, I can tell you that the segue music is very frequently selected at the last minute -- and by "the last minute" I mean WHILE the show is being broadcast on Friday night. There's usually a stack of half a dozen possibilities for songs they can use, and Ira listens to them all very quickly while the previous story is being played, and then picks one as the story is coming to an end. When I was there a few weeks ago, he seemed immensely proud of choosing an instrumental version of Madonna's "Borderline" for a story about prisoners with borderline personality disorder.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 May 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

that's like the definition of an academic joke, i.e. one that is funny only in theory.

the whole way the show is presented bugs me. some of the stories are really good, really intriguing, but the way they are often read/edited/score/etc. seems to presume zero intelligence on the part of the listeners, like our emotions have to be guided through the whole process so as not to worry about forming our own thoughts. i'd like it a lot more if it was a bit more...spartan...overall. if there weren't so many clues to the reporters' tone in the inflections of the VOs...and of course if they didn't lay that "mood" music between bits (or in the pauses within bits) so often.

amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 24 May 2004 06:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The one that drives me crazy is Uaxti's Aguas de Amazonia, which is a South American band covering Philip Glass -- they play that ALL THE TIME. (I think Glass Solo Piano sometimes, too.)

NPR IN NEPOTISM NON SHOCKER.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 24 May 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I swear I've never heard Music for Aiports anywhere except my own room...oh, and an ex-boyfriend used it in a play based on black box transcipts from doomed airplanes. But that's it.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I used a bit of "Metal Machine Music" in an "Outer Space" dance show for the Turkey Showgroup, but we never used it as it didn't happen that year.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
Ira Glass on Transom.org last month:

We've actually been experimenting with using less music on the radio show lately. Some of the producers - Alex especially - are tired of how it feels. I think we used to use so much music because we were worried if the stories were holding the audience (and to make up for mediocre readings by non-radio reporters) ... and one reason we use less lately is that we're all feeling more confident that the stories are strong enough without the music.

As for worrying about whether it tugs at emotions ... I don't worry about that at all. We always try to avoid using the sappy music under the sappy moment - it's easy for that to get really corny. (The same is true for how you perform the big emotional moment in a script. I remember one of the old All Things Considered hosts, Noah Adams, explaining that's when you have to go for flatter readings; if you get all emotional with emotional material, it can sound cheesy really fast.)

Generally the kind of music we use is more emotionally neutral. Its goal is more to keep a sense of motion, to keep things moving. And to underline the turns in feelings. I'm not against manipulating feelings. The whole job is about manipulating feelings. If you don't get in front of that and embrace it with a big bear hug, you're not doing your job as a radio producer. You just don't want to be all corny about it.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)


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