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I was reminded of these guys because VH1 Classics was playing the video for "On The Loose" this morning. The question is, does anyone else remember them?

Their singer had very impressive pipes, actually. I was surprised.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

They do holidays for old people, now.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Bahaha.

Sub-Rush Canadians with a vocalist who sounded better suited to Broadway. "Wind Up" was good arena-prog, but forgettable otherwise.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex is OTM about the singer; you could just imagine this dude coming from the same church choir as Sebastian Bach.

Also in the video dude was wearing a jumpsuit with a special crotch pouch.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Check out the Rollie Fingers `tache (along with up-collared leather blazer, scoop necked red tank top and fingerless glove combo) in the video for "Wind Up". It makes the mind reel.

They bizarrely have about fifty albums to their name, seemingly.

http://www.michaelsadler.com/photos/misc/bigimages/49.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Jumpsuit/parachute pants with utility rip-off crotch pouch just out of shot.

http://www.michaelsadler.com/photos/misc/bigimages/50.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.michaelsadler.com/photos/misc/bigimages/48.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I totally remember these guys have a video in HEAVY rotation on MTV when I was a youth and the channel was still worth watching. Can't remember the name of the song tho... Had some sort of concept video with a car chase interspliced with live footage. For whatever reason I remember the video having a slow-motion shot of the drummer having at the hi-hat.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

That's "On the Loose".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Wherein the lead singer (in afore-mentioned jumpsuit with incongruous asian script thereupon), busts out of some prison so he can go sing the chorus of the song.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Great keyboard solo...great song, actually. As epic as a song by a band named "Saga" should be.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I taped some songs by them once. I was surprised by how good they were. Recently I was trying to remember the name of the band and I got them mixed up with Prism, who were far worse. Thanks to ILM I remembered it was Saga I'd had on tape.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Canadian Rock Hierarchy:

Rush
Triumph
April Wine
Saga
Voivod
Max Webster
Klaatu
Godspeed You Black Emperor! (The name works well in this company.)

earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Rod Torkelson's Armada featuring Herman Mandelchuck

I somehow left this one off the list.

earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Canadian Rock Hierarchy:

Rush
Triumph
April Wine
Saga
Voivod
Max Webster
Klaatu
Godspeed You Black Emperor! (The name works well in this company.)

What about Helix?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 24 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Forgot about them, but the name definitely fits.


earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Worlds Apart was the only album i knew but it was a pretty good mix of prog and new wave. Fo some reason, i kinda associate them with Aldo Nova -- maybe something with the "spaciness" or furturist aspects of the music -- but they had a really unique sound. Too bad they swayed their follow-up towards light duty. Could they be a first MTV casualty?

christoff (christoff), Monday, 24 May 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Aldo Nova. Hmm, wonder what that sounds like...you guys have got to stop giving me ideas, here or my brain is going to pop under the strain.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 24 May 2004 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Aldo Nova's first album was a new wave sounding Billy Squier. His sound had a bunch of synths/keyboards mixed in with the guitars. "Fantasy" was big on the radio when I was in middle school and I had it on tape but don't remember much about the rest, but that song is really catchy.

Billy Thorpe should be on that list for "Children of the Sun", but to my suprise, he isn't Canadian. I thought that it was law that all Rush opening acts in the late 70s/early 80s had to be of Canadian citizenship? Maybe it was ok as Austrailia is in the Commonwealth.

Zebra was a band that should also be given honorary Canadian citizenship as their song "Whose Behind the Door" definitely fits in those other bands.


earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

"Who's Behind the Door"

earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

No Canadian rock heirarchy that contains neither The Guess Who nor Chilliwack can be considered canonical!

Embarrassing Fact: I once saw Saga live in concert. It is not at all mitigated by the fact that they were opening for Hall & Oates.

phil dennison, Monday, 24 May 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, you mean Zebra weren't Canadian?? I swear I thought they were. I wonder why. Oh wait, now I remember; my best friend in middle school saw them when they opened up for Loverboy. I was jealous.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 24 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Good call on Zebra -- might as well throw in Revolution by Night by BOC.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 24 May 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

boc = not cannucks

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

That album did have Aldo Nova on it, though, didn't it? Or did he just co-write "Take Me Away"?

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Zebra was a band that should also be given honorary Canadian citizenship as their song "Whose Behind the Door" definitely fits in those other bands.

No way. Zebra were 100 percent Ami cheese. New Orleans transplanted to the metro Joisey/Long Island circuit where they were discovered. Travelled and traded in exactly the same rooms as Twisted Sister, the
Good Rats and the most famous Rat Race Choir.

Zebra's cover of "Slow Down" was absolutely crushing.

No Canadian rock heirarchy that contains neither The Guess Who nor Chilliwack can be considered canonical!

Add BTO, Trooper and Moxy for seasoning. Pat Travers for the major throwdown. Ronnie Hawkins' Hawks.

The last time I looked, too, almost the entire Saga catalog was still in print. Even REO Speedwagon and Styx can't claim that.


George Smith, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I spent the summer of 1985 in Salzburg, Austria (studying German, a language that I can barely speak a word of now, even if you put a gun to my head). One of the people I met while over there was this Norwegian kid named Kenneth who was the BIGGEST Saga fan that has probably ever walked the face of the earth. He had not one, not two, but THREE Saga t-shirts in his possession (and I only think he brought two other shirts with him for the entire summer), and could tell you who produced every album, which studio they were recorded in, each member's beverage of choice while laying down tracks, etc. Strangely enough, however, he had never heard of Van Halen, and when one of us handed him a Walkman with a cassette of 'VH1' in it and played "Eruption" for him, he nearly shit his pants. I vividly remember him saying, "That cannot be one man playing that guitar solo. It simply CANNOT." Sadly, reciprocally listening to his copy of Saga's 'Worlds Apart' didn't have the same effect on me.

michael alan goldberg (michael alan goldberg), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I could also be wrong, and I'm not really claiming BOC are Canadian, but the Bouchard brothers might have been born north of the border.

Saga kind of sound a bit like a German band on Sky records or something.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread has blown my mind. first, the topic. then, mentioned: chilliwack (truly the stuff VH1 classic dreams are made of, big-budget obscurity), and triumph, who i first heard of in 1984 when my dad and stepmom went to ohio to get their marriage license and myself and my brother stayed with this neighborhood family, in the 'cool older brother's' room no less (as i think i mentioned in another thread this was a critical meme of the early 80's). i was 7 then and on his wall were huge rock posters like one of the beatles in sgt. pepper garb, which freaked me out, and one of the biggest was for triumph! say what? and still to this day i have never heard them...

duke klein, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"this Norwegian kid named Kenneth"

oh and also this describes one of my oldest and best friends, i'll look into it.

duke threaded, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 04:29 (twenty-two years ago)

That album did have Aldo Nova on it, though, didn't it? Or did he just co-write "Take Me Away"?

Mr. Nova plays guitar on at least one track

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

What I really want to know is where Honeymoon Suite fits into all this

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't know but every time i see their name i'm psyched and i hear that synth-y thing corroborating the chorus of 'new girl now'
*aawww* i wish music was still like that

duke pool, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex was mostly right, altho instead of "sub-Rush" I'd call 'em "sub-Styx. (The singer certainly had that Dennis DeYoung-pompousity thing down.) "Wind Him Up" and "On The Loose" are pretty good, tho, so maybe '81's "Worlds Apart" is worth hearing. 1981-82 were the peak years for that sort of music (North American AOR prog-metal-pop).

Aldo Nova's "Fantasy" was almost identical to Jefferson Starship's "Jane". The power ballad "Ball and Chain" was his other big hit.

Personally, I'd put Nomeansno at the top of that CanCon list. I'm far from the biggest booster of music made by my countrymen, but most of 'em (even the lousy ones) have at least one moment of greatness. Triumph (first concert I ever saw!) had "Magic Power, Honeymoon Suite had "New Girl Now", Bryan Adams had "Cuts Like A Knife" and almost nothing else.

And speaking of Zebra, their "Bears" was ABSOLUTELY one of my five favourite singles of the '80s! (Despite an embarrassing video that I mercifully only saw once.) Can't explain why, not even to myself (unsure).

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 07:41 (twenty-two years ago)

The Flyer is cool.

Rocco, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

boc = not cannucks

...hell , i didn't know Aldo was Canadian -- i was talking about the similarities in their sounds.

I remember that Randy Jackson was listed as the bassist on BOC's "Shooting Shark", and while i've always thought it sounded oddly UN-Zebra-like, (to say nothing about the observation that Zebra's Randy Jackson played guitar) didn't know until i just looked it up that the "Shooting Shark" bassist is none other than (US) American Idol judge, Randy "The Emperor" Jackson.

...has this thread yet pretzeled beyond recognition?

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

BLUE OYSTER CULT ARE FROM LONG ISLAND, GODDAMMIT!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

police force that works, baby

dave q, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Always get their man!

Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't know until i just looked it up that the "Shooting Shark" bassist is none other than (US) American Idol judge, Randy "The Emperor" Jackson.

He also played bass in the 1986 configuration of Journey and a couple zillion other albums

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah but i can see him playing with those lightweights... but boc; c'mon.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I wasn't claiming they were Canadian, and it turns out I was wrong thinking the Bouchards might have been - I found the interview I'd misremembered, though, from an issue of "Morning Final" -

AB: Yeah. (Holding up a bottle of Molsen’s Beer) This is from
my home area here.
GS: Long Island?
AB: Nooo.
GS: You’re from Canada?
AB: Yeah.
GS: Are you French-Canadian?
AB: Yeah. Well I’m not from Canada actually. My grandfather
is from Canada.

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Canada... How about FM? They deserve mention.

"On the Loose" is a great song. The rest of that album sounds exactly the same, though, very little variation. I remember on MTV they had another video before they hit it big with "On the Loose" (the lyrics went: "Hurry but don't be late", or something like that)

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That would have been "Just Like You".

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I shouldn't say that, because I don't even know you, but still. I mean, if you were wearing bandages, right? It's possible!

jazz odysseus (jazz odysseus), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://website.lineone.net/~nashtheslash/ABcover1_med.jpg

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

...two different Randy Jacksons, one white, one black. The white guy was in Zebra, and the black guy played the funk bass-line in "Shooting Shark", presumably because Joe Bouchard couldn't play in that style.

Hey, that might make a good thread: "Musicians Who Share A Name"! I can think of a half-dozen right now...

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 07:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Nash about 20 years back and then again just about three years ago. Amazingly he was doing the same songs, showing the same videos and probably wearing the same bandages.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

(the lyrics went: "Hurry but don't be late", or something like that)

isn't that "Wind Him Up"?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the fact that there are 50 largely non-ironic posts about SAGA on this thread. This thread must never die. I actually downloaded "On the Loose" because of this, I couldn't remember what it sounded like. Wow, it's pretty good! It certainly is a pinnacle of sorts of ... something. They do the "throw the prog bits in the bridge" thing well. Way better than any Kansas song I can think of. Styx probably had two or three better songs, but this guy is a stronger vocalist than DeYoung, Shaw or "JY" (as we like to call him here in the Chicagoland area.)

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Turns out the video I was thinking of was "Don't Be Late" (the leather blazer, fingerless gloves, needlessly proggy keyboard solo, swooning Broadway vocals, Fire Island mustache).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

How come nobody ever mentions Kick Axe on any of these Canadian music threads? Did they suck? I can't remember what they sound like.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The abject awfulness of their name -- to say nothing of their singularly bad music -- immediately disqualifies them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

haha this band was so horrible.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 27 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-two years ago)

B-b-b-but "On The Loose" was/is great!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

NEWSFLASH

Do you think you have what it takes to be the new singer for Saga?

We just recorded these two songs [On the Loose and Wind Him Up] without vocals during a sound check in Germany. So all you have to do is downlaod them, and video tape yourself singing along to them. Then post them on YouTube and email us the link along with your name & brief biography of yourself!!!

It's that easy!!!

The competition so far :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=03Eb1pCWesQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=s25FgzByJUA

Just letting you guys know, good luck! It probably helps if you're a multi-instrumentalist too by the way. An Asterix moustache would be an asset as well I guess.

Matt #2, Thursday, 20 December 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

Mustache Dude has left Saga? THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 20 December 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

seven years pass...

A radio station used to play entire albums on Sunday evenings when I was growing up, and I had about 3/4 of Worlds Apart on tape. Hearing "On The Loose" randomly last year prompted me to grab the album and eventually their first five. I really like the idea of their Rush/Yes influenced prog pop, just wish they had more memorable tunes. Worlds Apart sounds like a big influence on The Fixx, though producer Rupert Hine probably deserves more credit/blame. It also seems like Rush actually followed Saga's lead with the sound of parts of Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows. I'm trying to ignore the comparison of the vocals to Styx. A couple songs could just as easily be compared to Wall Of Voodoo, really!

Fastnbulbous, Monday, 23 February 2015 07:31 (eleven years ago)

"On The Loose" is amazing but I've still never bought that album. I'm gonna put it on my Amazon wishlist.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 February 2015 18:38 (eleven years ago)


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