Will Kanye West win P&J '04?

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It certainly seems that way, at the moment, doesn't it?

I'd imagine Loretta Lynn, Nellie McKay, the Streets, PJ Harvey, Franz Ferdinand, Modest Mouse Sleater-Kinney, Beck, Bjork, Eminem, Elliot Smith, and possibly Prince and Sonic Youth to place high. What else will contend? The Madvillain album? (I haven't gotten around to checking it out yet.) Where will Boy in da Corner end up this year--higher than it's #10 last year?

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Congratulations, Josh, on starting the first P&J thread of the year. (I think I started it about this time last year!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

D12 to just beat off The Vines and Sam and Mark.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure it'll be more frontloaded with whatever comes out 4 months before the poll.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Loretta Lynn takes it by a landslide. (has there been a safer record since Love and Theft?)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

no way in hell, Y.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I highly doubt the winner for the year has come out yet, but of what has, Kanye's probably the best bet (oh, the humility!).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

no one gives a crap about Mike that's why I'm acting nasty

― skinner (nickalicious), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Bersuit Vergabarat runs away with it, natch.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's this dude wearing a bear suit now?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Cibula, check yr email.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Kanye and the Streets top 10. Nellie McKay and Prince will be lucky to make it to he top 50. The rest of those, assuming they're all released this year, will probably float around somewhere in between. And don't forget Drive-By Truckers, TV on the Radio, and maybe U2.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

>Sleater-Kinney, Beck, Bjork, Eminem, Elliot Smith<

I didn't even know any of these albums were coming out! Anyway, God, I don't wanna start thinking about this shit for five more months, at least. But it's hard not to. I've been handicapping Kanye and Loretta (and maybe The Grey Album) in my head, but maybe I'm wrong, esp. if enough people vote for Dizee to carry over his '03 votes. (The list at the top of this thread is so boring that I'm really depressed now.)

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

>Sleater-Kinney, Beck, Bjork, Eminem, Elliot Smith<

They may get pushed back--I'm just going by Metacritic's upcoming albums page.

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

it's far too early, but for pure stats/ facts: this is the current Metacritic Top 10 2004 list

[Mr Rascal counts as 2004 as that is the US release date]

Metacritic
http://www.metacritic.com/music/

1 Loretta Lynn
Van Lear Rose 95

2 The Icarus Line
Penance Soiree 90

3 Dizzee Rascal
Boy In Da Corner 89

4 Madvillain
Madvillainy 89

5 The Streets
A Grand Don't Come For Free 87

6 Kanye West
College Dropout 86

7 Sufjan Stevens
Seven Swans 84

8 Lali Puna
Faking The Books 84

9 Franz Ferdinand
Franz Ferdinand 84

10 Cee-Lo
Cee-Lo Green Is The Soul Machine 83

also

fast'n' bulbous
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/rock.htm

Mission Of Burma * ONoffOn (Matador)
Franz Ferdinand (Domino)
Fennesz * Venice (Touch)
TV On The Radio * Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes (Touch & Go)
Wilco * A Ghost Is Born (Nonesuch) Jun 22
Arto Lindsay * Salt (Righteous Babe)
The Walkmen * Bows And Arrows (Record Collection)
!!! * Louden Up Now (Touch and Go/Warp) Jun 8
Spektrum * Enter ... The Spektrum (Playhouse UK)
Sonic Youth * Nurse (Geffen) Jun 8
Tortoise * It's All Around You (Thrill Jockey)
Beta Band * Heroes To Zeros (Astralwerks)
Lali Puna * Faking The Books (Morr)
John Vanderslice * Cellar Door (Barsuk)
Cee-Lo * Cee-Lo Green Is The Soul Machine (Arista)
Animal Collective * Sung Tongs (Fatcat)
Telefon Tel Aviv * Map of What Is Effortless (Hefty)
Savath & Savalas * Apropa't (Warp)
Bark Psychosis * Codename: Dustsucker (Fire)
Nicolai Dunger * Here's My Song You Can Have It (Universal)
Madvillain * Madvillainy (Stones Throw)
Shalabi Effect * Pink Abyss (Alien 8)
To Rococo Rot * Hotel Morgen (Domino)
Califone * Heron King Blues (Thrill Jockey)
90 Day Men * Panda Park (Southern)
Laura Veirs * Carbon Glacier (Bella Union UK)
Stereolab * Margarine Eclipse (Elektra)

Sondre Lerche * Two Way Monologue (Astralwerks)
Amen * Death Before Musick (Eat URmusic/Columbia)
CocoRosie * La Maison De Mon Reve (Touch and Go)
Jim White * Drill A Hole In That Substrate And Tell Me What You See (Luaka Bop)
The Icarus Line * Penance Soiree (V2)
The Streets * A Grand Don't Come For Free (Vice)
Shannon Wright * Over the Sun (Quarterstick)
Old Time Relijun * Lost Light (K)
Mirah * C'mon Miracle (K)
Beauty Pill * The Unsustainable Lifestyle (Dischord)
Richmond Fontaine * Post To Wire (El Cortez)
Kerrier District (Rephlex)
Múm * Summer Make Good (Fat Cat)
Young Heart Attack * Mouthful Of Love (Beggars XL)
Gomez * Split The Difference (Virgin)
Mellow * Perfect Colors (Atmospheriques)
N*E*R*D * Fly Or Die (Virgin)
Valley of the Giants (Arts & Crafts)
Dani Siciliano * Likes... (K7)
Sufjan Stevens * Seven Swans (Sounds Familyre)
The Magnetic Fields * i (Nonesuch)
Delays * Faded Seaside Glamour (Rough Trade)
Grant Lee Phillips * Virgina Creeper (Cooking Vinyl)
Bikini Atoll * Moratoria (Bellaire)
Probot (Southern Lord)
cLOUDDEAD * Ten (Mush)
Einsturzende Neubauten * Perpetuum Mobile (Mute)
Kanye West * College Dropout (Roc-A-Fella)
Sixtoo * Chewing on Glass and Other Miracle Cures (Ninja Tune)
Deerhoof * Milk Man (Kill Rock Stars)
Air * Talkie Walkie (Source/Astralwerks)
Squarepusher * Ultravisitor (Warp)
Icarus Line * Penance Soiree (V2)
Juana Molina * Tres Cosas (Domino)

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Nickalicious dude
if you knew obscene Spanish
you would LOVE Bersuit

Argentina's best,
they are rowdy rock/ska/funk
dirty-mouthed bastards!

(and thanks to Martian
now I'm all depressed like Chuck.
thank god for these drugs!)

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

>the current Metacritic Top 10 2004 list <

This means very, very little in Pazz and Jop terms.

>fast'n' bulbous<

This means even less. (In fact, I have no idea what it is, even.)

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck: Do you think Courtney Love has any sort of shot at placing top 40?

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

oh god.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

If Kanye West does win, I have a feeling there'll be "P&J Tokenism" discussion all over again.
I hope it doesn't come to this, though.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

no way will Dizzee
end up with a higher place
than he did last year

and I think, Matos,
that you underestimate
Loretta's appeal

especially to
daily/weekly newspaper
critics on this tip

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I can actually conceive of not voting for 10 albums this year.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

chuck, fast 'n' bulbous has yearly personal lists from 1965 onwards, he also does yearly summaries, take a look
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/index.html

recently also compiled a personal all time list:
The 500 Best Albums Since 1965
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/best_since_1965.htm

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Courtney SHOULD have a shot. She made a real good album, better than most of the ones listed on this thread so far. So yeah, I hope so. And perhaps. Liz Phair did wind up finishing last year, after all.

>no way will Dizzee
end up with a higher place
than he did last year<

So you're saying he won't get even half as many points as last year, Matt? Maybe you're right. But if he does, he could *win*, I think, since (I hate to belabor this), all his 2003 votes will carry over (except for ones from critics who voted for him again in 2004).

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I will definitely check out those bear suit dudes!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

nick their new album
translated: "Argentina!
Get Your Penis Up!"

(Sorry, I'll start a thread about these guys separately. But how can you not love a record where the first song concludes "To fuck is not to love...IT'S MUCH BETTER!"?)

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Metacritic counts for nothing on the P&J because you can't vote against for albums on the P&J list, unlike Metacritic, wherein you can. Thus "America's Sweetheart" could, and should, place. Or we could give it to, I dunno, Phixx.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Lynn will win but she'll certainly place top 10 unless there's some kind of consensus landslide of, say, a dozen albums. and I think Nellie McKay will CERTAINLY be top 30 at least.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 24 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, my mother in law did call me raving about the Nellie. But is that a good thing?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the album myself, and I know a lot of other people who do too. and if Rufus Wainwright is a perennial, she will be too.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Nellie's the only major label album I know I'm voting for.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What happened to Usher, Anthony?

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the impression that the Nellie album (which I like okay, but which won't come near my own top 100 much less top 10) flopped commercially, and, like TV on the Radio (which I hate), everybody stopped talking about it after its first two weeks in the store. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I thought she was really gonna explode, and it didn't happen. Or is there somewhere I haven't been looking? (I'll have plenty of major label albums in my top ten, though every one of them might be country record, the way things have been going so far.)

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard the Usher album (my hunger to purchase it was diminished by "Confessions, pt. 2") but "Burn" will likely make my top 10 singles. Though who knows? there's already been so many great singles this year that it's hard to believe there's still 7 months to go.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yancey OTM thanks to White's Law (which states that the White Stripes will top P&J every year they release an album, and if they don't release an album, then whatever project Jack White is even remotely involved in will win).

― Nick Mirov (nick), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

and I think its way too early to count Nellie McKay out commercially. The audience for that album isn't something that is found immediately but built up over time. Every so often I keep hearing random people announce their joy over discovering her.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

WHY DON'T YOU ALL JUST SLIT YOUR FUCKING THROATS YOU FUCKING CANCER. YOU CONTRIBUTE NOTHING TO THIS WORLD. YOU ARE WORSE THAN HITLER. FUCK OFF.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

y hunger to purchase it was diminished by "Confessions, pt. 2")

WHAT?

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

the Nellie album's only been out for like two months! it can't "flop commercially" when it's barely been released!

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

So you guys think Nellie's gonna take off Norah/*O Brother* stylee? I dunno; I'd say she's too much a weirdo for that to happen, not comforting enough, not tasteful in the right way for most aging boomers. (I mean, her album title is a PARODY of Norah's title, for crissakes.) Can't imagine any radio formats picking up on her either, unless she hits as a sort of novelty artist (like Beck and Eminem admittedly did, initially) or with some wacky video. So it COULD happen, I admit. And more power to her if it does; that'd be fun. Seems like a longshot though. Los Lonely Boys (way better album, #45 and climbing in Billboard with an album that actually came out last August) have that Norah/*O Brother spot locked up, if you ask me.

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think she's going to take off Norah-style, but I do think she's going to rise above "commercial flop" status.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll be surprised if Get Away From Me doesn't eventually go gold (especially since double CD's only have to sell half as many copies!)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Then again, it's not like the vast majority of aging boomers give a shit who the (way more boring) Rufus Wainwright is, and that's not hurt HIM when it comes to Pazz and Jop time, so maybe it's a moot point. (But did Nellie even get great reviews? I was under the impression that they were mostly, deservedly, pretty mixed. Which means I doubt many people who wrote about her will vote for her.)

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

No more mixed then Rufus Wainwright's debut (which is a worthwhile comparison both commercially and pazz'n'jopally, as you note)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

the Nellie album's only been out for like two months! it can't "flop commercially" when it's barely been released!

Right. Sony's pouring tons of money into promoting that record, and I don't think they've even begun to push it. They are still in the "grass roots" stage of their masterplan.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I think if Nellie were to release "Sari" as a single and put together some sort of attention-catching video for it, she'd hit big-time.

― Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe you guys are right. But who do you think they're gonna try to sell it to? Who do you think her potential fans are? I can't imagine who Sony thinks is going to eventually buy that record...Beck fans? (How many of those are left these days?) The singer songwriter audience (audiences? Avril one or Fiona one or Sarah McLachlan one or Tori one?) is way too self-serious (so are most grown up ex indie kids, I bet); the rock and rap audiences will *hate her; the show tunes audience doesn't exist as record buyers, I don't think.

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

But who do you think they're gonna try to sell it to?

liberals, particularly women, who like to laugh and aren't afraid of cabaret

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Daily Show fans

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 24 May 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, there's a couple hundred sales right there! (And a couple thousand more thanks to Jon Stewart!) (I mean, alright I agree, gold for a double album sounds like not an outlandish bet. But if they're really pouring tons of money into her campaign -- I had not idea, but I'll take your word on it -- isn't gold STILL a flop these days?)

― chuck, Monday, 24 May 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Skipping 119 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

(That was for Crapstone, obviously.)

― LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 26 November 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Crapstone, see also these search results:

http://ilx.p3r.net/searchresults.php?board=2&mode=threads&q=&titlepart=paz&name=&email=&username=&dateafter=&datebefore=&catid=all

― LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 26 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Way to be proud of your close-mindedness, johnny!

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 26 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

here we go!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 November 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

nate stop worrying about being well-informed or credible enough!

OK, OK, sorry. I haven't been the same since some publicity dude from Matador sent me an e-mail about how I got nearly every single lyric quote from my Antics review wrong

― MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Friday, 26 November 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Kanye got #1 album in Blender mag's Top 50. It the only time their Top 50 intersected with my Top 10 (though I agree w/ their inclusion of PJ Harvey).

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 29 November 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Amazing that no one has mentioned U2 in this thread. Mainstream critics have been jizzing all over it. I could imagine Kanye West or Loretta Lynn outpointing it in P&J, but if I had to bet I would bet that U2 and SMiLE finish 1-2 (in some order).

― Vornado (Vornado), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

god that's horrifying

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Futureheads have an 85 average on Metacritic, which excites me a bit, obviously. The Delgados are averaging 80, which is nice, but one more nicely placed review of 84 or thereabouts pushes them over the threshold required to have their name in bold with a little star beside it on the sidebar.

Neither of them will win, but I'd like them to wind up doing quite well in the results as some kind of pathetic self-legitimising thingy.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh....yeah, Michaelangelo, it would be. And now I'm suddenly scared...do mainstream critics really like that useless U2 thing *that* much? Wow. I am so out of touch. (But nobody likes Eminem much, right? Or PJ Harvey? It just occured to me that Ray Charles is probably gonna finish, but probably not top 10 and maybe not Top 20.) (Ray Charles *was* this year, right? I am sleepy.)

This, on the other hand.....

>The Futureheads have an 85 average on Metacritic. The Delgados are averaging 80,<

means absolutely nothing.

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, obviously.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 29 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

For a couple weeks maybe a couple months ago, by the way, I was positive that Elliot Smith would win, but I have fortunately since changed my mind. He has a good shot at top 5 or so, though, I bet.

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm setting myself up to be laughed at, of course, but are Franz Ferdinand that far out of the running? Even with my 27 points?

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

They've got a better shot than Big $ Rich with my 30 points do, Joseph. I'd say Franz Ferdinand somewhere in the bottom half of the top 10, Big $ Rich around #37 or so. But maybe I'm wrong. And maybe I shouldn't even be making predictions, in case it influences anybody's ballot (which I really would prefer not to.)

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other hand, I have to admit that Franz Ferdinand, if they won, would make for a much funner and more interesting winner than Wilson, Smith, or U2, if possibly not than Lynn or West. (Has new wave haircut pop ever won the poll? I don't think so. It has lots of enemies -- primarily among people who hate haircuts.) (Which is not by any means an endorsement on my part of FF, who last time I checked had maybe one song I liked a lot. I have nothing against their genre; I just think there are bands out there who do it way better these days.)

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Rock Critics of America,

I DON'T KNOW YOU ANYMORE.

With Deep Nausea,
Michael Daddino

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I predict Bersuit
will get only my first-place
points...and nothing more

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hey matt i keep looking in latin-oriented record stores around here for copies of bersuit AND grupo climax and have not been able to find them, but i will keep looking, i promise! also what was the name of that norteno comedy rapper guy you recommended? i wanna look for him, too...

― chuck, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

chingo bling baby!
(you might have to look for just
"climax" in the store.

and try, say, borders
or b&n for bersuit,
or just amazon)

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

What, no "That's What I Call Music, Vol. 17"? I may have to vote for it since regionally, it's hot.

― George Smith, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

apparently, i've been dropped from the voting list. what sin did i commmit?

oh, one less vote for "toxic"

;-)

― seanp (seanp), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Have the ballots gone out and I missed it? :-(

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i seem to recall being in touch with the P & J intern about ballots by this time last year, so i don't know.

― seanp (seanp), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Have the ballots gone out and I missed it? :-(

I don't think so.

― George Smith, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ballots go out in a few weeks. i hope.

― one of the poobahs, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Kanye West win the men's speed skating contest in the 2006 Winter Olympics?

― LaRue (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No but he'll bitch about how he should have one for his rendition of "Jesus Skates" alone.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahahahaha!!

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Has new wave haircut pop ever won the poll? I don't think so. It has lots of enemies -- primarily among people who hate haircuts.

Your search for the terms "rock critics" bald returned 373 hits.

(Sorry Franz.)

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope Pinback places.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It won't.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have to be a prof music critic to be vote for Pazz & Jop?

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

prof music critic

Jim DeRo, Ph.D

― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Ph.D

No dissing the scientist's union card.

― George Smith, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you just have to be a published critic? Should I e-mail la Chuck?

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't hurt to try!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

pro crit in the us is the guideline sorta i think

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

What if you're just a message board agitator?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Notable bloggers have also been allowed in.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Its like studio 54 for nerds!

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

All I'm saying is, Josh Kortbein voted in 2002 on the strength of a blog that's more about analytic philosophy, sometimes, than it is about music.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

True. It also doesn't hurt, however, that he's also an absolutely brilliant writer straight up. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Also it used to be more about music and less about philosophy.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I made a joke about laclau to an analytic philosopher and I think they got really mad because they never wrote me back. :-(

Josh is better than that though!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I know, I love Josh, I'm just teasing.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm also trying to hide my enthusiasm that I'm voting this year.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, I assumed it was a little more exclusive than that. Maybe someday the bastards at the paper I write for will decide to pay me.

― stephen morris (stephen morris), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

You should still e-mail Chuck.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm also trying to hide my enthusiasm that I'm voting this year.

I shall plan my vote to completely counteract yours, as I am mean (this is a lie).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

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