Dusty in Memphis: is it all that?

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Not C/D -- let's assume it's classic. I've been listening and loving Ms. Springfield for years, but I often wonder if this canonical LP's really her best. The 60s pop sides have their champions, and I can make a case for Brand New Me (aka Dusty in Philly)when the mood strikes. And there are great tracks on even her most dubious 70s albums. But I know Dusty fans who think Memphis is overated or even sonically inappropriate -- why make her sound like Aretha Franklin asks one maven. I'm not sure I agree so let's poll the real experts.
Dusty in Memphis: is it all that?

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i have the 2 disc-er from the states. by god is it good. and luxx packaging too. one of those records who's best bits really are as good as they're said to be.

"but hey! don't forget about me now baby!"

god bless yer love.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:25 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, it is.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think of Dusty in Memphis as Dusty channeling Aretha. I think of it as Dusty channeling Carole King. As Carole's best intrepreter the album, then, is absolutely perfect to my ears (well, maybe except for "In the Land of Make Believe," in which the higher notes are just too piercing for me).

Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes
It is

actionjackson, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The version of "Don't Forget About Me" is 100 times better on the Something Special collection from 1996. It's much more urgent and dramatic than the slower soulful version on Memphis. Something Special is a great collection actually. Bob Stanley reviewed it for Mojo when it came out. It's nearly all b sides, alternate versions and album traks.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw, I also think the Memphis album is slightly overrated. I prefer the mid-60's epics. Piles of great compilations out there whcih are are a better purchase.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

There's the Jerry Wexler connection, obviously the source of that comment. He had a distinctive production style and laid the "black" production cues on thick (on Memphis), but still Dusty sounds little like Aretha.

Choice picks!
Windmills of Your Mind is heavy and frightening, and the sweet sweet sentiments of Just a Little Lovin'. tons of range for a soul record. Classic.

ben tausig (datageneral), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

that comment

that is to say, the Aretha comment.

ben tausig (datageneral), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't listen to the arrangements (unless you feel like it). Listen to the SINGING.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Tip!

Spot on, Douglas.

ben tausig (datageneral), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Douglas OTM.

Someone I trust recently compared Lulu's "Melody Fair" favourably with "Dusty In Memphis". You can see why the comparison was made: Brit treks to the southern states to make LP with noted soul musicians (the Lulu one has the Dixie Flyers all over it).

"Melody Fair" is a very fine LP but it's no "DiM" because Dusty has the voice to carry the project off. Lulu's pipes are a little bit sub-par in a setting where you expect to hear (say) Betty Lavette really hitting it.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Nice to see Lavette's name get dropped in here, hoing to make it to the toronto bluesfest to see her.

Phil Dokes (sunny), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hoing=hoping! Geeze, all apologies to toronto!

Phil Dokes (sunny), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

WATCH FOR HIS ELBOW SMASH

deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:06 (twenty-two years ago)

classick. so's the 33 1/3 book on it by Warren Zanes, who spends maybe 5% of his page-count talking about the album itself.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

what's the other 95% about?

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

no, scratch that question. I can guess...

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the south, mostly.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

that makes sense. I was afraid you would say "about him."

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

it's really, REALLY good for what it is, an example of a certain kind of crossover album of the late 60s. there are other good examples, but this is probably the best. that said, i don't really think of it as a deathless transcendent classic of pop music. there is something a bit forced in certain of the arrangements and dusty doesn't always have the best vocal control here. i think it's a bit spotty.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with amst.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

the petula clark memphis album is almost as good.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's exquisite--definitely "all that" and more. Spotty vocal control? What? The playing is superb, understated, magical. The opposite of forced, in my opinion. A lot of Dusty's stuff is so melodramatic and overdone, but "In Memphis" is fucking great. She doesn't sound like Aretha at all, and in fact I prefer this to anything Aretha did, with the exception of "Spirit in the Dark." "No Easy Way Down" gives me chills every time I hear it. Dusty's willfulness and the Memphis sessionmen's obliquity and tact make a perfect combination.

princemongo (ddduncan), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

What makes it great is that she doesn't try to sound like Aretha at all - she is just herself. A lesser white European singer (Lulu, Tom Jones, whoever - remember Dusty was very much part of that Saturday night, light entertainment background) might have been overawed & tried to sound more black, whereas Dusty is completely natural & unforced.

I think the only other comparable singer who comes close is Bobbie Gentry with her late 60s Capitol stuff.

bham, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 07:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i was gonna mention gentry. "touch 'em with love" is def. a comparable record.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Amst tell me about Pet Clark's Memphis, please, if you feel like it. Country-ish? Soul-ish? Country-soul-ish? Standards? New songs? Stax personnel?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I have resisted buying recent remastered editions of Dusty In Memphis because my old copy has "What Do You Do When Love Dies?" as a bonus track, and that's the best song on it.

Still classic though, but I don't know enough of her other work to answer the question properly.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 27 May 2004 08:54 (twenty-two years ago)

it is a great album but it (to me) cannot live up to all the hyperbole heaped on it.

i dont think dusty either tries to or sounds like aretha on it, but si understand where that comes from - she does tap into a similar mode of singing/sentiment/ - uh well mebbe something as general as vibe is what i mean.

i'm reminded of that sweet story dusty told abt post Son of a Preacher Man abt getting into the same elevator with aretha heading up into atlantic offices and feeling all nervous abt her rendition till aretha turned around and said something along the lines of 'you go girl' (does anyone remember the actual quote?)

H (Heruy), Saturday, 29 May 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

aretha put her hand on dusty's shoulder, gave her a conspiratorial look and said "girrrrrrrrrrl...."

amateur!st (amateurist), Saturday, 29 May 2004 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

This record is magic.

billstevejim, Thursday, 8 May 2008 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

I like "Where am I Going" about as much

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 8 May 2008 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

It is such a special, enjoyable album that it feels churlish to agree with many people here that many of the claims made for it are overstated.

Maybe its the tortured artist myth that causes those of us who love the album (and I love it to bits) to make grand claims about what it says about politics, gender or whatever... It's so very tempting to attribute profundity to the album as it is clearly the work of extraordinary talented people.

How can there not be a back story to Breakfast in Bed? The heartache in that song can reduce me to tears. It can't possibly be that its just a talented delivery surely...

Sandy Blair, Thursday, 8 May 2008 06:01 (eighteen years ago)

Why the hell not? I've listened to this album loads of times and never been struck that it's anything more than a great set of songs performed brilliantly. That's all it needs to be.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 8 May 2008 07:14 (eighteen years ago)

She's a singer, delivery is what she does!

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 8 May 2008 07:44 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, sloppy writing, I was trying to suggest my last question was a rhetorical question to myself.

There's a -probably apocryphal- anecdote about the film Marathon Man where Dustin Hoffman is taking ages to 'get in character' and understand his motivation for a scene and Laurence Olivier says "can't you just act"?

My point being that Dusty nails the delivery of the songs so well that it's very tempting to suggest they are autobiographical - for instance I've seen people suggest that Breakfast in Bed is about her sexuality. As was mentioned, the 33 1/3 book spends 5% talking about Dusty and the rest about other things. So the original question 'is it all that' - my answer would be no, but what it is, is more than enough.

Sandy Blair, Thursday, 8 May 2008 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

So yeah, this record is totally doing it for me right now, but I have to switch up. What is a similar record to this? Kind of in the same era, kind of the same production? Female singer? That epic, lush/raw soul-y deal? Any suggestions. Love asking you guys these questions...I usually receive awesome recommendations. I mean, I have some ideas, interested in yours.

SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:09 (sixteen years ago)

I can answer that and also answer this:

tell me about Pet Clark's Memphis, please, if you feel like it. Country-ish? Soul-ish? Country-soul-ish? Standards? New songs? Stax personnel?

This is a great album in my estimation. It has a similar vibe to Dusty's album. Mostly original material with about three good covers (Neon Rainbow, It Don't Matter To Me, People Get Ready), soulful stuff and I think the best material/production/backing music I've heard from Petula. So much better than her Tony Hatch stuff. There's one bad song which has that musichall thing that always crops up on 60s albums but whatever.

everything, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

Check out Chris Clark. She was pretty much custom designed to be Motown's answer to Dusty Springfield. She's not as good as Dusty, but she's pretty great in her own right. There's a Motown Collection CD in print that collects everything you need. Here's a taste:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WakQv3gzIkg

MumblestheRevelator, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:43 (sixteen years ago)

If you like the production and arrangements on Dusty in Memphis, the place to look is other albums cut with the American Studios crew - Reggie Young, Chips Moman, Tommy Cogbill, Bobby Emmons, Bobby Wood et al.
Some of my favorites are Dionne Warwick - Soulful; Brenda Lee - Memphis Portrait; Elvis Presley - The Memphis Record (a comp from the late 80s); Petula Clark - Memphis: Neil Diamond - Brother Love's Travelling Salvation Show (LP);John Prine - John Prine; Jackie De Shannon - Jackie....and singles by Bobby Womack, Joe Tex, BJ Thomas, The Box Tops.

ρεμπετις, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 02:45 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwoKq6HPwkE

that's not my post, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 04:47 (sixteen years ago)

check out brenda lee's memphis portrait LP

every girl singer had to make a memphis LP in 1966-69

by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 10:27 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Yeah. Personally I like Ann Peebles better. Also Freda Payne LP Band of Gold excellent.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 23 April 2010 22:42 (sixteen years ago)

But I know Dusty fans who think Memphis is overated or even sonically inappropriate -- why make her sound like Aretha Franklin asks one maven.

IMO it doesn't sound much like Aretha Franklin at all. "Dusty In Memphis" was mainly about this British pop singer who was sent to the US to work with an excellent bunch of musicians and producer, then given some solid (but largely not very R&B) material to sing. It doesn't sound all that much like a Memphis soul album to me, moreover, it sounds much better than any Memphis soul album ever.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 23 April 2010 22:45 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/dusty-springfield-dusty-in-memphis-round-50-nicks-choice/

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 26 May 2013 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Profile of Chips Moman from a while back from the Memphis Commercial Appeal. May be linked somewhere else already but couldn't locate: http://www.commercialappeal.com/entertainment/unsung-chips-moman

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 00:32 (eleven years ago)

And here's one by an ilxor: http://m.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/archives/2012/08/17/chips-moman-the-cream-interview

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 00:40 (eleven years ago)

Thanks, those are both good. For a guy with his credits Chips is kind of a mystery man.

Brad C., Monday, 29 September 2014 01:13 (eleven years ago)

gonna listen to "I Don't Want to Hear It Anymore" six times in a row for the oboe solo.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 September 2014 01:17 (eleven years ago)

"Goin' Back" is not on this album, is it?

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 01:33 (eleven years ago)

no, though it's got several other goffin/king tunes.
this album is pretty perfecto. and geir otm! lol. it doesn't sound very much like aretha, except for maybe son of a preacher man.

tylerw, Monday, 29 September 2014 01:37 (eleven years ago)

Aretha envied and loved "...Preacher Man" so much she covered it later.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 September 2014 01:39 (eleven years ago)

Seem to recall a Big Youth song that sampled "Breakfast in Bed" but can't find reference to it.

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 01:56 (eleven years ago)

Oh, I see. It was "Skank in Bed," by Scotty, which was DJ version of Lorna Bennett cover.

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 02:00 (eleven years ago)

Aretha envied and loved "...Preacher Man" so much she covered it later.
wexler claimed aretha turned it down at first, but reconsidered after hearing dusty's versions.

tylerw, Monday, 29 September 2014 02:21 (eleven years ago)

Have you guys seen the Muscle Shoals doc yet? Just watched it today. Some doldrums but good stuff about the whole brouhaha when Jerry Wexler brought Aretha down there to record.

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 02:25 (eleven years ago)

That was a wild and crazy story re the horn player, Aretha's then hubby, Hall from Muscle Shoals, and Wexler...

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 September 2014 15:34 (eleven years ago)

Side note, I wonder why it's not spelled Mussel Shoals

Josefa, Monday, 29 September 2014 16:04 (eleven years ago)

Can't remember. Is it actually an Anglicization of an Amerindian name, nothing to do with Mussels in the Shoals.

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:16 (eleven years ago)

Okay.
http://www.cityofmuscleshoals.com/Default.asp?ID=11&pg=History

Indians first inhabited the lands bordered by the Tennessee River that we call the Shoals area today. No one knows when the name Muscle Shoals was first used for this area, however, there are many theories of where the name originated. One theory is that at one time there were piles of mussel shells found along the shoals in the Tennessee River. Another theory is that the shape of the river looks like the muscle in a man’s arm, therefore, Muscle Shoals. The last theory comes from several booklets that were published before Muscle Shoals incorporated. This theory states: “Muscle Shoals, the Niagara of the South, derives its name from the Indians, who, attempting to navigate upstream, found the task almost impossible because of the strong current.” Thus came the word muscle, symbolic of the strength required to “paddle a canoe up the rapids.” The Shoals area, including Florence, Sheffield, and Tuscumbia, was first known as the Muscle Shoals district.

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:17 (eleven years ago)

Muscle Shoals is really the only one of the four "Quad Cities" that doesn't have much of a personality. Tuscumbia has well-preserved old neighborhoods, Sheffield has the relics of industry (along with both the original and the second Muscle Shoals Sound studios), Florence has all the parks and urban sprawl. Muscle Shoals is just one long strip of stores and restaurants and post-war brick ranch house subdivisions. It's the least appealing of all the cities there, but it for some reason is the city that claims the whole area by name.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 September 2014 16:24 (eleven years ago)

Tuscumbia has well-preserved old neighborhoods

This is where Helen Keller was from, no?

The "5" Astronomer Royales (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:26 (eleven years ago)

Yeah.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 September 2014 16:26 (eleven years ago)


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