jockey slut and sleaze nation publishers hit the wall

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just so as you know.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

this has been on the cards for ages hasn't it?

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, it'll be OK. Daddy will just whip out his wallet and we'll all go for ice cream.

GG Marquez (Huey), Thursday, 27 May 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

so sleaze is about to die?

thesplooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

dead

martin (martin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

We come not to praise but to bury.

Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

that carhaart guy will have to go back to selling clothes now i expect

prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

what about the website operation is that a seperate entity or is all that going ti die away quietly ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 28 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it's the same company, but more sustainable, so i'd suspect that if anything will survive or be hived off, this will. however, i wouldn't be surprised if the whole lot just tanked. truth be told, i wouldn't be upset, either as i think they were both terrible publications with some of the worst writers working in the english language. however, i don't take a great deal of pleasure in anyone becoming unemployed so i wish them all well in finding work, quickly.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

preferably not in writing though, Dave?!

___ (___), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

or anything to do with music.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The mobile music test in the current sleaze (iPod vs boombox/walkman/discman/mini disc/humming to yourself) is the funniest thing i have read in a very long time. A shame it's going as the new team had turned it into a good read

Sean O'Connell, Friday, 28 May 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah. i had seen the new issue of sleaze and thought it looked like a fun read - may get it now ! the new look - i actually liked it. love the roughness of the review section. far more interesting i thought. made my lunchtime browsing more interesting.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

was the writing in sleaze THAT bad? i mean, they had some alright stuff. the piece by kodjo eshun in the first sleaze relaunch issue was pretty good i thought.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

the bloke they got in to edit it was a prize tool, though.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Based on..?

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

the fact that he is.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

why? is he a friend or something. if so i can only apologise for the social faux pas, not that i really care, but it's the done thing. doesn't alter my opinion, though.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

In the interest of balance I'd venture to say that in my experience "the bloke they got in to edit it" was actually very sound, always open to ideas and always willing to enguage in constructive dialogue.

Winston, Friday, 28 May 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave, your 'defense'of your opinion was just a bit crap. If Sleazeguy's a tool, it's best to be specific about what they said or did to you or some other reliable source that makes you believe this to be true. Otherwise you're making the larger faux pas of not being able to justify your stance, however feeble.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i have had several dealings with him on a personal, non-editorial level. in each of these encounters i found him to be a fucking idiot. this is my considered opinion and is not up for debate. what more proof do i need!?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, but I suspect there might be mitigating factors here.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

like me being and arsehole?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't say that. But you might have been overcombative for no good reason and he might have become fed up, but that's just a guess based on you being such an utter grumbleguts on here sometimes.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

do you even know this guy!!!?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

suzy and friends vs Dave.

I am offering short odds on suzy, favourable (value) odds on Stelfox. Betting starts........now!

___ (___), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Suzy is reasonably likely to know this guy; she moves in those circles.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

that's not really the point robin. anyway, it was a personal observation, not meant to be the point of this thread. and mayny people move in those circles; some just do it more quietly than others.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave, what 'circle' I move in has no bearing on how I respond to someone who's namecalling someone who really isn't a tool. The only reason I have to make any noise about what I do or who I know is because someone's posting ill-informed bullshit that 700 people or so might take at face value unless I intervene.

Whatever, I've known him since he was a researcher on Gaytime TV, and met him through friend working in telly at the time, at a Boxing Day dinner given by said friend. I just had a drink with him a few weeks ago about some work stuff and he lives three blocks from me. He's definitely Type A, but he's nice.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

ill-informed bullshit

it's entirely informed.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

he calls himself the "shoreditch twat" for fuckssake, i don't think my "namecalling" is going to bother him that much!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I think you're right in that your namecalling won't affect him a jot, since it's not actually that important what disgruntled, misanthropic freelancers think, is it?

The Mother fanzine was called Shoreditch Twat, not the editor.

I still haven't seen any official confirmation the magazines have gone under, either.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i resent him because "he turned"* the 333 into a really cool club into a really lame waste of time

*ie i have no idea if it was him, but hes the manager, right?

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Only of Mother, Ambrose. But I think he left awhile ago.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

freelancer? suzy i have a job, full-time.
misanthropic? you're spot-on; more and moreso by the minute.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

disgruntled? why would i be and what about?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

mother is the worst thing ever! aaaaaaaaaaaa it sed to be so good *sniff*
all went down hill when the cheese toastie people got kicked out

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and he djs under the name shoreditch twat pretty often. i am pretty much irrefutably *RIGHT* here...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as it keeps you warm at night...

suzy (suzy), Friday, 28 May 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

it was probably ill-advised of me to say that neil boorman is a fucking idiot.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

and it wasn't really the point of this thread, but it's what i think. i apologise unreservedly for any offence caused to any of the 700 or so people who may see this for calling it as i see it, but what's more interesting in the light of these events is what will happen to magazine publishing in the uk now? anyone got any ideas coz there aren't many out there any more and i'm wondering if we can hum along with only i-D left. or will there be a new growth of tites soon? i always thought the problem with sleaze jockey slut the face and pretty much everywhere else was that they were too lazy, employed people on the basis of whether they were "in" and not whether they were any good, with far too much emphasis on design and face value rather than giving pride of place to good writing. will we have learnt anything, anyone know anything?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

all really good points dave. i dont know what will happen to the music mag market, but hey, atleast the nme and q will keep going forever and ever and ever.....

i got the new loose lips today, which seems to give pride of place to writing, despite the great design, but its all a bit too earnest and touchy feely for me.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 28 May 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

well, i like steve and admire what he's doing but i'm sure he won't mind me saying that loose lips will not be taking on the big boys any time soon. i'd like to see a growth of big, well-funded tites that pay proper wages and make journalism viable again rather than a bunch of half-arsed glorified 'zines, which is what sleaze and jockey slut were to my mind.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

uh, Stevie, obviously

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

what about word magazine then? surely that satisfies your criteria, dave. even Q for that matter. i dont know what i would want in a music mag now. i just know iwouldnt want it to have the hype of the NME or the often banal saying-not-very-much feel of Q pieces. no more dull corporate mainstream bollocks in print please.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

word is a potentially good magazine writing about the wrong things

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

word is really cosy comfy writing but doesnt really 'say' much of much interest. then again, i might just not be old enough to appreciate it.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 28 May 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

british music magazines are dead. long live ilxor...

martin (martin), Monday, 31 May 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

it won't pay either of us, martin

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yes hooray, nothing to write for.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish i'd never started this thread. reading over it makes me really dislike people and the profession i chose.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(no reflection on you, ronan or martin)

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Come on Dave, it'll happen some day! I totally agree about the sorry state of all these mags. Even the allegedly writer-friendly Word has nish-all wd-counts. But it HAS to happen. Soon!

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but you're just a disgruntled freelancer, enrique. you don't count

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

there needs to be a ilxor magazine. god knows what it would comprise.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it would be the worst magazines ever. but i could do the ill-informed bullshit section.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it would be great. non stop rants and threads and posts rather than real articles. i mean, who wants to read lengthy puff pieces on musicians anymore?

thesplooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 10:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, why stop at magazines? We could make it digital, and host it on the internet! Sounds like a great idea.

Jason J, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

woo-hoo! yeah! i think it could work out really well. it would be quite similar to www.ilxor.com i would imagine.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

<q>hint - ILM has threads about all those acts and i love coming here to read what people have to say about them...

what stevem said.

every thread i read about magazines, i just think that the best magazine is ILX. I knowl oads of people bitch about it, but just to look down the list of threads, it just reads like a dream contents list. SO i stick to this. ILX = free (and freeish to run - hence possibility of crazy variety); magazines = always disappointing and expensive. ( and this goes for any type of magazine, not just music. the only magazines i like (and that are good value for money) that cover any topic are private eye in terms of current affairs, and when saturday comes for football)

an obvious point, but i have given up on reading print stuff, and will strick to the internet. I bought Deuce, Muzik and Jockey SLtu all in the same month and was depressed and pissed off after reasding 10 pages into each. I dont think that would have been different whether i had read CTCL, NME or Bang, Wire or Gramophone, The Economist, Spectator, or NEw STatesman, Four Four Two or Match etc etc etc; you get my point.

-- ambrose (ambrosewhit...), July 3rd, 2003 8:37 AM.</Q>

i said this ages ago!

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

ps pls give me html lessons

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I still haven't seen any official confirmation the magazines have gone under

From today's Guardian:

Now Sleaze falls victim to style cutbacks

Patrick Barrett
Tuesday June 1, 2004

Sleaze Nation and dance title Jockey Slut have become the latest glossy titles to close in the fast-shrinking style magazine sector.

The closure of the titles comes only a month after Emap announced it was shutting down the seminal style bible The Face due to falling sales. The last issue was published this month after Emap abandoned attempts to sell the magazine.

Swinstead Publishing, which owned Sleaze Naion and Jockey Slut as well as youth marketing company Espionage, told its staff on Thursday last week that the company was to close with immediate effect. Around 30 people are believed to have been made redundant.

The closure of the titles leaves just I-D magazine, Wallpaper and Dazed & Confused, as well as relative newcomers Flux and Vice, as the last bastions of the style magazine genre.

Sleaze Nation had established a niche audience with coverage of cutting edge fashion, music and art. The monthly title relaunched as Sleaze magazine in January this year, and ironically told readers the magazine was to close in a radio advertising stunt. The January edition of the title came covered in a black folder emblazoned with RIP.

The reinvention of the magazine was seen as an attempt to regain its underground appeal.

In editorial in the first issue of the new look title, editor Neil Boorman said: "Some people never know when to quit. They're so entrenched in their own sweet world, they fail to realise they are surplus to requirements. We don't give a fuck about celebs".

Jockey Slut was also relaunched recently, switching from monthly to quarterly while expanding its website in a bid to win back readers drifting away to the internet. No circulation figures for either title were available.

Boorman told MediaGuardian.co.uk that Swinstead's staff were given no warning of the company's closure.

"We were called into the foyer and it was announced that the investors had pulled funding from the company. We were completely astonished.

"I could understand it if the relaunch of Sleaze wasn't producing positive momentum, but it was. Sales were up and so was advertising. The crazy thing was that it was going so well it's inexplicable really.

"It was circumstances not connected to the title that meant that the company went into liquidation," he said.

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I stopped reading both of them in 1999.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

on teh mags website there is a message from one of the staff indicating tis all over. but no other details

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

final issue of Jockey Slut arrived in the post this morning.
soooo glad they published it - it has my grime primer in it.

martin (martin), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

not hit the stands yet has it ?

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Read it this morning, very informative.

What lunacy prompted them not to do a singles page though? that was the part I'd skip to straight away, racing tips and all that.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw Neil on Saturday at the shops and he told me it was indeed that sudden. Full post-mortem later in the week as we're supposed to meet for drinks.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

first media reports...

Brand Republic: Swinstead goes under as Sleaze and Jockey Slut close
http://www.brandrepublic.com/mediabulletin/news_story.cfm?articleID=212426&Origin=MB01062004

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

MediaGuardian: Now Sleaze falls victim to style cutbacks
http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/0,7495,1228847,00.html

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

with the closure of style mags such as Face/ Sleaze - These online weekly cultural e-zines will become increasingly important:

Flavourpill London
http://london.flavourpill.net/current.shtml
[New issue each Tuesday]

Kultureflash - Headlines for London
http://www.kultureflash.net/current/
[New Issue each Thursday]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

seventeen years pass...

You spoke, we listened.

Disco Pogo is the new electronic music magazine, website and community from the original founders of Jockey Slut.

Please join the crowdfunder here: https://t.co/BtRJ0GVulH

Thanks in advance for any and all support - this won’t happen without you. pic.twitter.com/urpsKnTcDV

— Jockey Slut (@JockeySlut) November 5, 2021

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