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ok so last weekend (actually I think it was the weekend before) I was drinking with some mates in a late night bar in the west end. being pissed and uninhibited i started having a chat with the girl sitting next to me. She was a staff music journalist for the Telegraph and I appreciated the way she side stepped my querying her moral code. However we started discussing Hey Ya! She said she liked the tune, but when i pressed her on the merits of the album's other tracks she seemed happy to say that she hadnt heard SB/LB, and that she had no intention to. This is the album of the year, as a music journalist shouldn't she face some formal repremand from her pears for this glaring oversite?

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The pears will have their revegniea...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

peers sorry

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

please clarify - are you saying the Telegraph named it "album of the year" without even listening to it? If not, what is your point?

― zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

no the telegraph did not name it album of the year. my point is that this is a seminal recent work, an embodyment of trhe zeitgeist. That she refuses to listen to it disurbes me as all art (including music) should be judged with at least an eye to its contemporarys and to what has gone before. TLB is a leftfield approach to mixing Hip Hop and RnB which is a current obsession across the Urban Music spectrum. Top refuse to hear it to me seems deliberaty ignorant.

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

An embodiment of the zeitgeist? Crumbs.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

as long as she's heard some prince b.sides at some point,
she's effectively 'heard' it anyway.

― piscesboy, Friday, 28 May 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

So, like now, all music writers are obligated to listen to what everyone else thinks is great? (x-post)

I have no interest in hearing that album either. What does that mean?

― ___ (___), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

not what everyone else thinks is great, that would be nonsence, but this is a significant album, and that is not just my opinion. And yes I do believe that part of the responsibilitys of being a music critic is staying abrest of trends.

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

but piscesboy, even prince can't make good prince b-sides anymore...

― paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

lukey, do you have any black friends?

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, why?

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

post a picture of yourself with black people tokenist guiltboy

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I fail to see what the ethnicity of my social group (who are I admit largely of the WASP variety) has to do with this question.

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

not what everyone else thinks is great, that would be nonsence, but this is a significant album, and that is not just my opinion

― mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Neither do I. xpost. However, I don't feel that if you are a music critic you have to listen to everybluddything. There's not enough time for a kick off. (fwiw, I think speak/love are 1) as good as each other, 2) I like it more each play (plays 1ce each month or so)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you guys listened to the new Black Dice????????

― Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:11 (twenty-two years ago)

no but if you humm it im sure I can pick up the melody

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 28 May 2004 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i listened to that album and i want those hours of my life back please.

― don (don), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

you cant have them, try going to bed a little later every night and you will achieve reciprosity quicker than you think.

― lukey (Lukey G), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

good plan, stan.

― don (don), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how many ILM'ers haven't heard SB/TLB? The sample group would be fairly reflective of the fans and writers that should be keeping abreast of the zeitgeist, according to lukey.

I'd bet that there's a healthy percentage (but certainly not a majority) of ILM'ers who haven't heard the record. If so -- post here if you wish!

I haven't heard it yet. I'm not adverse to hearing it, but I'm not rushing either.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 28 May 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Come on.. I see Lukey's point, if you review music for a mainstream daily, you should have some notion of what a lot of other generalist sheets voted album of the year.
It doesn't mean that you must listen to EVERYTHING but wilfully ignoring one of the biggest albums of the year when your job is to vaguely survey the current music scene is pretty lazy.
Obviously, this would be different if you wrote for a more specialized publication.

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

IF YOU LISTEN TO OUTKAST YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY THE GRAND WIZARD OF THE KKK, SIMPLE AS THAT.

― David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

no one seems to have mentioned yet that LB/SB is FUCKING CRAP and by so far Outkast's least inventive album. Hey Ya only represents the zeitgeist cos it's a toned down, poppified version of their back catalogue that it's ok for drunken office workers to like as they take to their beer sodden friday night dance floor hellholes. all serious minded people and publications should follow the telegraph's lead and ignore the current outkast record not so much for the fact that it's a depressing, pre-split sell-out, but because of all those idiots who've decided that this is a rap group it's now ok to like.

― Jay G (jaybob79), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"those idiots" = readers of daily newspapers = EXACTLY WHY THE TELEGRAPH SHOULD BE COVERING IT.

Actually, it's not clear whether the entire Telegraph staff ignored the record -- which, you're right, is suspect (considering its popularity) -- or whether ONLY this particular journalist ignored it (which is FINE, as far as I'm concerned, as long as she's writing intelligently about other stuff and not making dismissive comments about records she hasn't heard).

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

ferrsakerly.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 28 May 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I only listened to the Outkast once and I didn't enjoy it. I've only listened to the new Black Dice once but I will listen to it many more times.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I will listen to neither.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't heard it. I've only heard two Outkast songs: Mrs Jackson and Hey Ya. Neither do much for me.

― holojames (holojames), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard it. Stankonia was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long for me, so the idea of DOUBLE the length of Stankonia didn't fill me with joy. I like "Hey ya" okay, I guess. Didn't slay me or anything. The other one or two i have seen or heard while flipping channels sounded okay. Nothing to write home about. I love Atliens to death. And the one after i enjoyed, but to a lesser degree. I actually love that long sad jam at the end with Ms.Badu a lot. Oh, and I really liked B.O.B. and Ms.Jackson. They were great.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 28 May 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder how many ILM'ers haven't heard SB/TLB?

me me me

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 28 May 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

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