Is "Remain In Light" a good entry point for the Talking Heads?

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Surprisingly enough, I don't own anything by the Talking Heads. I want to get into their music, but is "Remain in Light" the right entry point?

BrokenWitch04, Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it's a good one - that or watch/listen to "Stop Making Sense" but i have to mention that these are the only 2 full talking heads records i have (other that a compilation).

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

it's possibly their best album (at the very least, it is among their three best albums) so you might be setting yourself up for disappointment if you start with it. but it's the first one I had, so I'd say yes.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

In my opinion, Fear of Music and Remain in Light are, by a mile, the best Talking Heads records. I kind of count "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" too, since it's half the same people and comes in between these records. It's a belter too. One of these records with a real air of mystery to it.

You can't go wrong with Remain in Light, unless you're looking for their more tuneful, song stuff, which is more evident on later records; I think they're largely poor.

Remain in Light sounds like a weird mix of James Brown, Dr.Feelgood and inevitably Brian Eno. It's a terrific record.

Keith Watson (kmw), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

If you can get your hands on a copy, the live album "The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads," is your best bet, IMO.

maria b (maria b), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I echo maria b's sentiments. It's a crime it was never issued on cd.

The first one I had as a kid was Speaking in Tongues, and it seemed to do the job of making me a life-long fan. If not the first one you buy, it should be the second or third.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Remain in Light is the only Talking Heads album I'm interested in having on hand. I agree that starting with it might mean being let down by their other recordings.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I vote for that Sand In The Vaseline 2-CD. First thing I ever had, good selection of tracks from through-out the years, and the unreleased material is strong enough that you won't regret owning it even if you buy all the full-lengths.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Remain In Light is terrific but its still my least favorite of the three produced by Eno.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

it's my favourite, by some way.

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe not a good entry point, every song sounds pretty much the same

dave q, Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Try the first album.

And then follow with the second, the third...

Elvis is Dead, Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I vote for Fear of Music.

57 7th (calstars), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The Name of This Band is Talking Heads will apparently be reissued on CD for the first time in August, according to talking-heads.net.

Remain in Light is probably Talking Heads' most adventurous album, and certainly one of the best, but IMO you can't go wrong with any of the first five studio LPs ('77, More Songs, Fear of Music, Remain in Light and Speaking in Tongues.

Jesse Lawson, Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The first one is great as well, very dark and ominous at points.

David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 5 June 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Sometimes at record shops in the mall and chain stores like that you can find a three-fer of Fear of Music, Remain in Light & Speaking in tongues for like $2X.00, which would serve your needs perfectly.

Get Speaking in Tongues first if you're interested in their poppiest stuff, Fear of Music for post-punk, or Remain In Light if you want like some of the awesomest shit ever

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

that or watch/listen to "Stop Making Sense"

YESYESYESYES... it's an hour and a half of joy.

TheNewJMod (JMod), Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link


Remain In Light is terrific but its still my least favorite of the three produced by Eno.

-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), June 5th, 2004.

I was about to say the exact same thing. It was the first I got, and I don't think it was a very good entry point, I'd say any of the first 3 albums, or a comp, or even Stop Making Sense would be better starters.

Al (sitcom), Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

born under punches was my entry point

astroblaster (astroblaster), Saturday, 5 June 2004 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

It might be worth adding that all of these albums are supposed to be getting reissued, not just The Name of This Band. I have the box set that was issued last year, Once in a Lifetime, and there is considerable improvement in sound quality, so it might be worth waiting for the remasters. Remain in Light is being prepared for DVD-audio, if you're into that.

Jesse Lawson (eatandoph), Saturday, 5 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I got in with '77, and I don't have any regrets with that. However, I did supplement it with Sand in the Vaseline pretty quickly after that, so maybe Sand in the Vaseline is the way to go.

stephen morris (stephen morris), Saturday, 5 June 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"It might be worth adding that all of these albums are supposed to be getting reissued, not just The Name of This Band. I have the box set that was issued last year, Once in a Lifetime, and there is considerable improvement in sound quality, so it might be worth waiting for the remasters. Remain in Light is being prepared for DVD-audio, if you're into that."


Is it getting re-released ONLY in DVD audio, or also in a regular CD version?

BrokenWitch04, Saturday, 5 June 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Sand In The Vaseline is the best place to start, definitely. It's a great way to get a flavour of every period of their career and decide where you want to jump in. But anything prior to "Little Creatures" is brilliant, rewarding music. Thereafter they sound tired.

John Allison (John Allison), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I third or fourth or whatever the Stop Making Sense recommendation -- both the album and the movie.

But that said, Remain in Light was my personal entry point, when my dad happened to bring it home because he liked "Once in a Lifetime." It's a spectacular record, and definitely their best studio album. I don't know that it's exactly "representative," because its vibe is really different than any other Talking Heads record (or any other record, period). But then, they went through so many different phases that it's hard to call any one album representative. I think everything through "Little Creatures" is worth having for one reason or another.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i started with REmain in Light and was turned off. I like 77' and "The Name Of This Band" better (which you can get easy on slsk.)

chaki_burger (chaki), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm kinda surprised by that, Chaki. I do love all of the first four a lot (five if you count The Name) . . .

The Name of This Band is Talking Heads will apparently be reissued on CD for the first time in August, according to talking-heads.net.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 5 June 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

My entry point was the "Once In a Lifetime" video on MTV in 1982. That was quite the brain-fry.

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 June 2004 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I just ordered 'Remain In Light' a few days ago and am now hotly anticipating a funky, squelchy mindfuck of a record thanks to everyone bigging it up. If it arrives and turns out to be a cheap devo imitation then the disappointment is likely to kill me.

Oliver Pyper (stickthrower), Sunday, 6 June 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes because Talking Heads were imitating Devo all along!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 6 June 2004 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link

What's wrong with chronological progression?

77
more songs about building and food
then the eno tryptich.

then stop making sense.

fear of music is undoubtably one of the most perfect records start to finish ever made. but since practically every record th ever made has its own sense of genius, yr bound to enjoy it all. (Pre-1986 IMO). the once in a lifetime boxset is worth it for 'storytelling giants' alone, but it does bring in the whole album context argument, which certainly matters, in a clash on broadway sense.

pher (pher), Sunday, 6 June 2004 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, I would also suggest chronological order. The first one is great but would probably seem a bit out-of-place if you begin with Remain In Light.

strom, Sunday, 6 June 2004 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I started with Fear Of Music. I'd say that's a good entry point for anyone.

zebedee (zebedee), Sunday, 6 June 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I would just like to thank MTV/VH1 circa 1987-1988 for actually playing old videos like "Burning Down The House" and "Once In A Lifetime."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

glad these are getting remastered because Fear of Music and Remain in Light really sound like crap on CD.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

stay away from that box set! stupid selection of rare/alternative versions etc -- no "Electricity" -- plus stolid pacing equals dud. stick w/the original LPs and Sand in the Vaseline and the live ones.

lovebug starski, Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Avoid the first LP. 'Fear of Music' is best. Side one of 'Remain in Light' is also best, but more rock-crit friendly. Ultimately, the idea of entry points is wrong: if you like 'RIL', proceed; if not, don't.

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

nothing enrique said is right in any way!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I will agree that Fear Of Music is "best," at least (and, at least on this thread, 77 is kind of overrated).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

at least.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I think '77' is rub, and I like the Heads. Sonny, do you prefer side 2 of 'RIL'?

ERQ (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

If anything side 2 of RIL is more rock-crit friendly. The only people I've met who are nuts about My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts and Joy Division homages are those types, where as pop fans would probably prefer "Once In A Lifetime" (though is that on side 1 on the LP? I've got the album on CD and am just assuming it ends side 1 so the album splits evenly).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, the rock crit ref was needless ILMing, mmm, though I [not a rock crit] quite like 'My Life...' (I mean, it's a bit iffy) if not any of the JoyDiv stuff.

'Fear of Music' might be more of a grower, originally my fave was 'RIL' but perhaps I find it a bit strident now.

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

1) i love 77.. I guess this is a taste issue

2) I like the first side of RiL more but I don't see what "more rock crit friendly" has to do with it... I find RiL more enjoyable than Fear of Music in a most non-crit-like way

3) the idea of an "entry point" makes perfect sense. If not, why not recommend he start with 77? why recommend anything at all? The first album you buy from a given group most definitely influences how you hear their other albums

xpost obv

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Fear of Music is definitely a grower, though there are definite standouts for people to latch onto.. More casual music listeners seem to prefer it, though, which I find strange

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

My entry point was 'The Best of Talking Heads' borrowed off someone. I don't recommend this at all!

'FOM' is sort of very conventional AND very not at the same time, I think...

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Start with More Songs About Buildings and Food, you freaks!!

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Someone's got to agree with me on this; the album is way less homogenous than Remain in Light (if less "adventurous"), more funky than Fear of Music, and their overall best if you ask me. Oh yeah, and it's got "Found a Job" on it.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Found a Job is a top track.

Keith Watson (kmw), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it okay to like 'Take me to the River'?

Enrique (Enrique), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Sure. (As that's about one of the six or songs I like by them, so beware my bias. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought all of them as they came out and (as I wrote on another thread only last week) I reckon:

'77 > Fear Of Music > Speaking In Tongues > Remain In Light > Little Creatures > More Songs About Buildings And Food.

However, much as I love it, I don't think '77's particularly representative as a first purchase.

If you must get a comp. then get Once In A Lifetime / Sand In The Vaseline; if you want a studio album then Fear Of Music's probably the one to go for; but I think the absolute best thing you can do is to get yourself the DVD of Stop Making Sense.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 7 June 2004 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"Is it getting re-released ONLY in DVD audio, or also in a regular CD version?"

Broken Witch, I'm sure there'll be a standard CD remaster as well as the DVD-audio version. It isn't clear yet when either will be coming out, though — hopefully by the end of the year.

Jesse Lawson (eatandoph), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Lately, More Songs About Buildings And Food is the first album of their's I will reach for. Then Remain In Light. Then Naked. It seems like nobody else likes Naked.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

David Byrne's 'The Catherine Wheel' ranks with 'Bush of Ghosts' and the Eno trilogy (for me)

(Jon L), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Name Of This Band... reissued at last - hot damn!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the catherine wheel is very good actually. I used to really like naked but now I actually hate it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Little Creatures might actually make a good entry point for Talking Heads, because hearing every album other than that after that one = the band just keeps sounding more and more awesomer.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

no. it's dated. it's world meets funk. it is foreshadowing almost everything boring david byrne has done after the talking heads. i bought it recently and it turned me off the talking heads. get the double live the name of this band.... that't the bouncing spasmodic addictive new sound of new york of the late seventies. much better than stop making sense. which was already a cash-in.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 7 June 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I was woken up this morning by my stereo playing "The Great Curve" and it was the first time I'd heard it. I think my head must have been in a fug because I thought the lyrics were "She is looking through the spirit world/She has messages for everybody" and that it was a spooky song about a medium. I was quite disappointed when I googled the lyrics later.

Louis Giomblechett and his kerayzy friends (dog latin), Friday, 27 January 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

wow, that was awesome, thanks.

Iago Galdston, Monday, 29 April 2013 01:29 (ten years ago) link

excellent picture quality

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 01:30 (ten years ago) link

great clip. i think this is their best album. it still sounds futuristic somehow.

the gentrification of chill (Pat Finn), Monday, 29 April 2013 01:31 (ten years ago) link

goddam, that's a hell of a thing. wish to god i'd seen this version of the band, and agree that it still sounds fresh. except maybe for the frippertronic gtr, for w/e reason? dig it, but it seems somehow of a moment.

controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Monday, 29 April 2013 02:21 (ten years ago) link

wowwww

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link

3:33 on is ridiculous

adam, Monday, 29 April 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link

will agree that more than 10 minutes of Belew's screech-o-tronics is way more than we need

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link

Loved them during that era

http://talkingheadsconcerthistory.blogspot.com/2013/01/1982.html

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 April 2013 04:38 (ten years ago) link

lol what is Tina Weymouth even doing in this clip cuz it isn't playing bass

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:09 (ten years ago) link

I don't think Byrne's guitar is plugged in either. Nevertheless that's completely marvellous.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:23 (ten years ago) link

weymouth's definitely playing, i think she and busta jones are doubling parts most of the time -- you can hear weymouth do some slides that jones isn't doing there.

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link

Weymouth is playing.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link

the remain in light band really is incredible -- almost hard to believe talking heads had the imagination/ambition/balls to pull something like that off so successfully.

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link

belew is amazing, though someone should've talked to him about his wardrobe. Nona Hendryx is a dazzling ray of light.

tylerw, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:32 (ten years ago) link

I can't imagine watching this in fall '80 knowing what I knew about how the band sounded 18 months earlier.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2013 22:39 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, it's extraordinary that they ever got to a place like that, and so quickly too.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 29 April 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link

belew is amazing, though someone should've talked to him about his wardrobe. Nona Hendryx is a dazzling ray of light.

― tylerw, Monday, April 29, 2013 5:32 PM (1 hour ago)

That's Dolette McDonald in that clip, though, right?

What makes a man start threads? (WilliamC), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link

yep

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:24 (ten years ago) link

i kinda like the implication that that's how belew dressed when byrne/demme weren't stage-directing everything

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link

my favorite part of the commentary on the SMS dvd is when there's a water bottle in the bottom corner of a shot and byrne says "that shouldn't be there"

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link

xp watch the vids of belew in king crimson wearing a pink suit.

sleepingsignal, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 00:33 (ten years ago) link

I watched that Live in Rome concert from the same tour recently and Belew gets to be a bit much over the course of it.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:36 (ten years ago) link

That's Dolette McDonald in that clip, though, right?
oops, my bad - Dolette McDonald is a dazzling ray of light

tylerw, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:42 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeTcrvSQms

The Reverend, Monday, 13 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Lol "Houses in Moion" totally jacks "Better By the Pound"

Jacks as in,"they're both funk-based and in the same key"?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 27 February 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link

yeah and "houses" is slower

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

i mean i tried to verify the similarity by working out the rhythm parts to both, but found that i own no instrments and do not know how to play them anyway

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

still i drop the needle on the last :10 of "better by the pound" and it all makes sense

somewhere btwn Gabriel Garcia Marquez and early Evel Knievel guy (contenderizer), Saturday, 27 February 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

Saw Angelique Kidjo do a bunch of songs from Remain in Light last night, outside W. DC. Femi Kuti opened. Kidjo and band's renditions mostly worked, though on some songs I don't like her changes to the vocal flow and vocal melodies.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link

Cool you saw her

Dreadnought of chicanery (Ross), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link

Kidjo's bringing this tour to the US now, and said onstage she wants to bring it everywhere including Africa

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link

She encored with "Burning Down The House" the night before.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link

sounds like a party!

niels, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link

bringing this tour to the US now

?? as opposed to April & May, when she was touring it in the US?

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 14:10 (five years ago) link

She said onstage last night outside DC in Virginia that the show was the second of her tour. I guess she has separated this current tour from the April/May one you are referring to. Or perhaps I misheard her.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link

actually, looks like she may have only done three dates on the west coast in May (though she'd also done it at least in NYC a year earlier) - I was bummed because promo and TV appearances all happened after the Seattle show, which I hadn't heard about, but that could have been the first one, and was before the album release.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link

her version of listening wind is amazing

Ross, Friday, 10 August 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link


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