Taking Sides: Bush / Stone Temple Pilots

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I´m seriously curious how this one pans out.

― NUXX (NUXX), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Totally jacked from the C/D: BUSH thread.

― NUXX (NUXX), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a big fan of STP, though they did have a few songs I liked.

The main thing, though, is that Bush sucks armadillo balls.

So I'm gonna have to say STP.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

STP. "Purple" and the one after that were both unhorrific.

― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

STP, all the way.

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush all the way.

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Sweet hot flaming death for them both all the way and then beyond the grave.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Use algebra.

STP: Weiland >--> VELVET REVOLVER
Bush: Gavin >--> Gwen

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

FIRST!

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

In my opinion, STP had a better run. And i have no hopes whatsoever, that Bush could fire up an equalizer, no matter how many albums they´ll release.

― NUXX (NUXX), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

STP had some damn good songs. If Bush never existed, it wouldn't mean jack crap.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

they both had two songs i like.

bush had everything zen & glycerin, STP had that first single and the track from the Crow soundtrack(which i will forever associate with high school. Class of '94 represent, yo!).

everything else should be relegated to the mid-'90s post grunge trash bin.

― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all about "Big Bang Baby," personally. That track is a godsend.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not here to pass judgement; I'm just here to chat.

STP, for a little while (perhaps longer) shucked off enough of the rock-star crust to take the piss out of themselves (cf. "Big Bang Baby"). I think Bush has yet to hit those mid-level heights (though "Swallowed" could qualify if Gavin didn't sound like he actually meant it). I have spots in my heart for both _Purple_ and _Razorblade Suitcase_, and various singles scattered about (even "Come Down", if I once again turn a deaf ear to Gavin's lyrical proclivities). "Big Empty" trumps "Glycerine", "Greedy Fly" loses a close one to "Vaseline". No one wins w/ "Mouth" or "Days of the Week". I'm curious about _12 Bar Blues_, but am less curious about Gavin going it alone. Mets superfan Gerard Cosloy likes tooling on Weiland, which makes me feel closer to the manmyth (Weiland, not Gerard); the fact that I haven't seen him (Weiland or Gerard) say anything about Gavin diminishes his stature.

Also, while Bush went from sludge-sucking bottom-feeder to viable mid-level entertainment substitute, STP careened between opulent bombastic corpse-fucking "greatness" (deny "Plush" at your own risk / health) and outright abominable trou-dropping sadness (cf. when Weiland discovered that he liked the Beatles).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this comparison even fucking serious? Not that I'm some giant STP fan.... but Bush is one of the worst bands ever.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

And Miccio is OTM (though "godsend" MIGHT be a stretch).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush shares a similar affliction as the Strokes, where their shit-voiced shitty lyricist also happens to be the guy writing their half-decent hooks.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I second (x-post 3rd or 4th?) the Big Bang Baby love. Also, Plush was one of the first songs I learned on my guitar, so I'll take STP.

― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Singer Scott Weiland's biting critique of machismo gone unchecked on "Core"'s debut single "Sex Type Thing" opened a lot of people's eyes to the brutal realities of sexual assault.

Then again, Gavin Rossdale's cynical and wry observations on early-'90s pseudo-religious fervor, and his self-aware positioning of himself as a pop-culture-as-gospel evangelist ("I don't believe that Elvis is dead!," cries the pec-tastic frontman on debut cut "Everything Zen"), were bold moves in the heady days of the alternative nation.

I'm saying this one is too close to call.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

favorite post ever

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

STP by a longshot.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush by a money shot.

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Bukkake on the all of them.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

At least STP never released an electronica remix album.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

But STP did released Vietnamese Democracy!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone spake... "Then again, Gavin Rossdale's cynical and wry observations on early-'90s pseudo-religious fervor, and his self-aware positioning of himself as a pop-culture-as-gospel evangelist ("I don't believe that Elvis is dead!," cries the pec-tastic frontman on debut cut "Everything Zen"), were bold moves in the heady days of the alternative nation."

Okay. You're gonna have to say that was sarcastic.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure it was just as sarcastic as the comment preceding it re: "Sex Type Thing" "open[ing] a lot of people's eyes to the brutal realities of sexual assault."

At least, I hope so.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

STP by a nose ("Sour Girl" wins in the end), but I like a number of songs by both. '90s alt-rock 4-ever.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Glycerine... best bullshit 90's alt-rock song EVAH

― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Man Glycerine is such a piece of shit that hearing it makes me want to force Gavin to wear his own ass as a hat.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

In "Core"'s follow-up single, "Plush," Weiland was the one representative of early '90s Flannel-ville who had the nerve to ask the question that was on everyone's lips: "When the dogs begin to smell her, will she smell alone?" Nearly ten years later, of course, the question seems naive; quaint, even -- a "who's on first?" for a leaderless generation hellbent on making sense of government double-speak and post-Cold War pseudo-ennui.

It was Gavin Rossdale of Bush, though, who recognized that living "in a wheel where everyone steals" could result in a sort of post-modern euphoria: "when we rise," he promised, "it's like strawberry fields." The lyric -- invoking Lennon (or is it LENIN...) was one of many instances where Rossdale blended personal politics with geo-political ones, lyrically, in a sort of crypto-patriotic (and patriarchtical) smoothie.

Again, WAY too close to call.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Some spaketh: "It was Gavin Rossdale of Bush, though, who recognized that living "in a wheel where everyone steals" could result in a sort of post-modern euphoria: "when we rise," he promised, "it's like strawberry fields." The lyric -- invoking Lennon (or is it LENIN...) was one of many instances where Rossdale blended personal politics with geo-political ones, lyrically, in a sort of crypto-patriotic (and patriarchtical) smoothie."

Okay. I'm going to stop being nice. THIS SHIT makes the shit inherent in Gavin Rossdale tepid by comparison.

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

And, I agree with both of Martin M.'s comments. Taking Weiland that seriously isn't a good idea. Glycerine? :: insert grunge-era snicker of condescension here ::

― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

STP.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm still laughing my ass off about the first one, Neb. You gotta spread those out further or I could actually hurt myself.

― martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Maria- in answer to your question on that shitty C****m thread: www.getvexed.com

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

THANK YOU DOM!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Was this intended to be another one of those "The 90's sucked" threads? It's getting really old.

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ha, neb, you should write for the villiage voice

I'm curious about _12 Bar Blues_,

I have this and thought it was quite good (in its goofy way), but I haven't listened to it for years.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 01:04 (twenty-two years ago)

STP
is this regional maybe? do more north americans like stp and more brits bush? just an idea

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If I had to work a summer job at UPS and all my co-workers made me listen to 99X or whatever shitty 'alternative' station they could find, I would not puke as much upon hearing a Bush song as I would upon hearing an STP song

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

That's what I'm saying! Thank you Neb!

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel vindicated.

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

"Everything Zen" and "Interstate Love Song" would make a fine double-sided single.

― spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

That reasoned analysis of Gavin's wordsmithery aside, I think it'll take a Tori Amos version of "Glycerine" for me to appreciate its finer points. That, or some corn cob holders jabbed through my eardrums (ho ho ho).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

On one hand, Bush always had consistently awful awful terrible lyrics. Although he was joking, Neb was half-right in his analysis of "Sex Type Thing." Bush's actual good songs, you could count on one hand, one hand that was badly damaged by fireworks. STP have more, period.

On the other hand, Bush's best songs, "Everything Zen" and "Glycerine," for example, always had way more going for them than STP's songs. Catchier, better written. And at the same time, the lows were much worse for STP. "Come Down" is a truly terrible song, but nowhere near as bad as the twin horrors of "Creep" and "Big Empty."

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The worst Bush song would be "Cold Contagious". STP never did anything as bad as that.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Neb, are you secretly Thomas Frank on acid?

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgot about Sour Girl. I kinda like that song.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

One last bit of truth here, guys: Gavin is NOT a wordsmith.

― maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

When Gavin Rossdale exclaimed "Little things kill" on the pointed grunge pastiche "Little Things," he was really extending his own Cobain-esque cry for help. The monkey on Mr. Stefani's back wasn't any heroin, though. "I touch your mouth / We really need food," Rossdale wails in the song's acidic verse, "Addicted to love / I'm addicted to fools." Rossdale then experiences a metaphoric "overdose" on fools, as the track's explosive guitars finally bubble over, into a cathartic cacophony that conjurs an orgasm of feedback.

Meanwhile, back in the United States, Scott Weiland had more questions. "Can you see without eyes?," he wonders in the lurching crunch-ballad "Wicked Garden." Weiland strips away all pretension in his quest to find the answer to his (admittedly unanswerable) query, warning his hypothetical lover that he wants "to drink from [her] naked fountain." Weiland's role here -- as a sort of erotic Ponce de Leon -- managed to render the song the equivalent of an aural erection. STP indeed; the channels of politik-as-sensual-poetry have been well oiled.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(needless to say, still way TCTC).

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never heard a Bush tune sound different from the last, whereas STP were at least capable of a bit of diversity, sot STP win.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Narrowly choose Bush, because they had nicer accents and a few good songs.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Neb Reyob wins. That's some funny stuff. Keep it coming.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 10 June 2004 01:13 (twenty-two years ago)

STP had some good pop songs (AND WE LOVE POP HERE, YES?), better than given credit for. and i'd rather listen to a greatest of STP than a greatest of pearl jam (the hidden puppetmaster of BOTH STP and bush).

bush just blows. like their namesake.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 10 June 2004 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't get to go to the Bush/No Doubt/Goo Goo Dolls concert like everybody else in 8th grade did, I was soooo sad.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 10 June 2004 07:43 (twenty-two years ago)

STP I found mildly annoying
Bush I have a major psychotic fucking hatred of
so STP

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 10 June 2004 08:39 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread should be a worst lyric list actually.
I think STP's was "Living under house/Guess I'm living/I'm a mouse"
Bush's worst is so bad I blacked it out of my memory.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 10 June 2004 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Bush's bassist was in Transvision Vamp, which is either the worst thing about them or their best selling point. (TV were great, obviously).

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 10 June 2004 08:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I am pretty sure that any member of Stone Temple Pilots would make a better president than Bush...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

neb reyob for prez in 2004

― 6335, Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Neb, please make this into a book and I will buy ten copies!

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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