Classic or Dud, Kula Shaker

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Is he a mystickal master of majestic sanskrit soundscapes or is he a pretentious, sitar-fellating dilletante with too much free time on his overly delicate hands?
And should Ravi Shankar kick his ass?

Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Optional Mystery Bonus Question: And which honky is more an embarassment to eastern religion, Crispin Mills or George Harrison.

Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's gotta be Crispy Ian, doesn't it?

I always thought KS were as dorky as all get out, but back in Britpop's halcyon days people could trot out the most backward and anemic pop and it would still sell by the barrow load.

Nicole, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Carlos Santana has managed throughout his career to be an embarassment to EVERY religion, creed, philosophy, you name it. Give the man an award!

dave q, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So long as you avoided the lyric sheet at absolutely all fucking cost (and steered clear of any pics of the band, and interviews, and album covers), they were capable of the odd, not-entirely-offensive single. Actually, that's not quite true. "Tattva" had a shameless David Gilmour solo swipe on it (that big, crying guitar) which was momentarily captivating, but that's it really. "Hey Dude" could've been alright...if not for the lyrics. Ah, fuck it....they were crap.

alex in nyc, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Their version of Joe South's 'Hush' is an abomination. And Dud as well for the Neo-Pagan/Nazi flirting.

Andrew L, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...So long as you avoided...album covers

Yeah, I was in the record store and these stoners were playing "Find the K's" on the cover of KS's debut.
Stoner 1: Hey, Superman doesn't start with a K...
Stoner 2: Kal-el, dude. Kal-el.
Stoner 1: Uh, whose the big blue dude, anyway?
Stoner 2: Kkkkkkkkkkk...Vinshnu?

Well, if the debut is any indication, he might be good with the soundscape like tracks, but he has a tin ear when it comes to making singles.
I give a 6 out of a possible 10, and from here on out, I won't fool myself into thinking that Grant Morrison's has flawless taste in music.

Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They had a serious lack of a sense of humour. Once Mark & Lard did a parody of "Tattava" when KS were in doing a live session in a studio in the same building as they were broadcasting from, which topped absolutely every single thing that KS had done up until that point AND AFTER IT FOREVERMORE. Crispy and the lads were so furious they staged a pathetic "invasion" of the studio - basically, Crispy and the one who grew a beard (I think) rushed in, said "We're taking over now!", to which Radcliffe said something like, "Oh, are you now?" and bunged a record on. After it ended he explained that they had been shouted at by Crispy for a good three minutes, after which the entire band stormed out of BBC Manchester and the live session came to an abrupt end.

This proves what twats they were. I mean, every other band they parodied played along with the entirely good-natured joke. I suppose Crispy must have inhaled a few too many burning swastikas.

Chris Lyons, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bloody hell, speak of the devil, just as i posted that Rock Profile comes on Play UK and it's the one with David Walliams as Crispian Mills.

Chris Lyons, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Waitaminute, waitaminute. I'm missing some info here. What does all this "Neo Nazi/Swastika" stuff referring to. Did Crispin show up at Victoria Station in a brownshift costume and slicked back hair, announced his intention to run for Prime Minister and then do the Seig Heil Salute?

Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In an NME interview circa 1997, Crispy deigned to anounce to the world that the swastika was a Jain symbol of peace and enlightenment (like...DUH), that he wanted to reclaim it and would be proud to play on a stage bedecked with these wholesome, spiritual symbols.

Kula Shaker were (justly) fucked from then on in.

Venga, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

...not to mention his insightful assertions that the lives of baby cows were as, if not more, important than those of baby humans and that women needed strong men to look after and protect them.

Almost a parody of the empty-headed, upper class, English buffoon. Has anyone got anything nice to say about him?

Venga, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He made some stupid comments in the NME that he wanted burning swastikas on the stage as they played "just for the fuck of it". Their career never really seemed to recover after that. Oh yeah, they were linked to various neo-nazi organisations - an early version of the band played at some small festival type dos where all the other bands were very right-wing or something. Also Crispin was guitarist in a rather politically dodgy pre-Kula band, can't remember name or exact details.

That's 3 posts I've made about pissing Kula Shaker now.

Chris Lyons, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd forgotten the "baby cow" / "strong man" things.

Chris Lyons, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wait a second, all this bitching is intangible and irrelevant. I don't care how poor they are at massaging the P.R machine; their music is fantastic, hence classic in my book.

Jack Redelfs, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I HEARD THEIR 1ST LIVE SESSION ON THE EVENING MARK & LARD SHOW & DON'T REMEMBER (CAPS LOCK OFF) them invading the studio. They were absolutely amazing on that. They were aslo very good on "The White Room" a-grade psych-pop. However, thereafter they just....sucked. I don't know how they managed this. Thus doubly dud for a/ sucking and b/ being good/promising in the first place.

Norman Phay, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

their music is fantastic

Somehow I ended up with a copy of the "Tattva" single which I keep around for kicks. What I find particularly amusing is the fact that they're all 'St. George' about Mr. Harrison and all that, but say nothing about the fact that the second song on the single is a cloning of "Norwegian Wood" which makes any of Oasis' recastings of the Fab Four seem like Disco Inferno in terms of sonic innovation.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"their music is fantastic, hence classic in my book." Your book is quite clearly 'How to be a mentalist' then.

DG, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even dropping the 'irrelevant' stuff (which is always relevant anyway if you are a human and not some kind of huge ear grown in a tank) Kula Shaker's music is brilliant how exactly? David Bowie got away with Nazi flirtation because "Station To Station" is the greatest coke-psychosis record ever made. Kula Shaker did not because "K" is the Asda Ready Meal version of "All Things Must Pass". Andrew L is right about the apalling "Hush" too.

Tom, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Another paramilitary/coke-psychosis-classic example - didn't Sly start hanging out with armed Black Panthers roundabout 'There's a Riot Goin' On'?

dave q, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maybe Ash would get REALLY GOOD if somebody gave them a kilo of coke and introduced them to some dodgy Belfast 'taxi firms'?

dave q, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The only time KulaShaker were ever remotely entertaining was when the singer dude took out a whole page in the press to apologise for his statements, ha ha.

DG, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well... They were good at what they did... Unfortunately what they did was a cut-price fantasy version of 60s psychedelic-rock. Maybe if they did a Gorillaz/Archies/Monkees and got a kitchsy cartoon series to front their tunes, they could have been huge. And if they got songwriters capable of memorable tunes. (I didn't even think "Tattva" was that good, especially the ultracheesy ringmod on the vocals, and as for the Mellotrons- even most late 60s bands could make Mellotrons sound decent! Even the Mellotrons on Manfred Mann's "Ha Ha! Said The Clown" sound better than on this record!!!!)

Old Fart!!!!

Old Fart!!!!, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So i guess you all agree: Ravi Shankar should kick his ass.

Lord Custos, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

if you want rock/indian crossover, then it should be Ravi's nephew, Ananda Shankar who should be kicking ass

michael, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoa.

Ok, first I'll admit that yes, I do own K and dig it every time I listen to it, about once every 13 months when I find it somewhere in my collection. Tattva may not be original but it's just fun, geez. But this whole "silly embarassment" thing - I'm Hindu by birth, so I kind of feel weary about hearing how every time some popular Western singer converts to my religion it's derided as "appropriation," or "insane posturing," or "exploitation," or "silliness" or what-have- you. What if they really are interested in Hinduism ? The sad thing is that almost all these singers: 1) are still pretty clueless and in the infantile stags of learning about Eastern religion, and yet still have to talk to the press about their newfound enlightenment, coming across as extremely pretentious and arrogant 2) never have a sense of humor, which is ironic, since eastern religion teaches not to take the world seriously at all.

Its just harmless, you know? Some other Indians I know actually feel pseudo-proud, if slightly bemused, when a western celebrity does all this. It can be an honor for Madonna to take up Sanskrit chanting; of course this may say more about Indians than anything else, but that's been written about elsewhere. In a California Indian show here they were doing a trad folk dance sequence to her "Shanti Ashtangi," when they could have had the real sonic thing, but it's more..fashionable? Of course, there are other Indians who never take westerners seriously anyway. The Beatles getting nixed into the TM movement? The TM movement was a nonentity in India, socially; gurus are a dime a dozen there. And in the 60, evreyone knew that all of them hippies were coming over there just for the ganja and silk; they were really easy to scam and milk and fool by fake gurus. I've seen Hindi movies about this.

Or maybe the "silly embarassment" thing is more a depiction of how the world of rock/pop music/culture is basically secular/athetistic in aesthetic if not anti-religious, and anyone who goes against the grain gets ridiculed (like Santana?). It's sex and drugs and rock and roll, and only that; God doesn't belong in that list. This probably belongs on another thread.

Crispian Mills probably didn't know what he was talking about. But it's not hentirely his fault if he misguidedly wanted to steal the swastika back for some sort of pure visual representation, after Adolf stole it first. It's not about Naziiism at all, but it really is pathetic that it'll always be linked to that. It was the premiere Aryan (in the original sense of the word) emblem, along with the Om symbol, and there used to be four dots in between the 4 squares. It's still sprinkled in rice designs at temples, durings weddings, ceremonies, etc. There are never Jews around

On my last pedantic note (can you ever have enough?): the k is for Krishna who was on the album cover, not Vishnu.

Vic, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

One of my best friends here went to high school with Anoushka Shankar and he says she's the real thing. She's enormously talented.

and hot as hell too!!

Vic, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They remind me of a horrendous moment in my life, they sound like a little glimpse into hell, they make my skin crawl. Dud in every possible way.

BTW, "Ha! Ha! Said The Clown" is better than practically any single that has ever been called "Britpop", and better than a good many 60s singles you may have heard of.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Manray has a fascianting book called the happy swatskia nad hte swastikia was a very popular (Sihks,Buddhsits,Jains,Tamils,Abrogines,Cree,some african tribes,Russians) symbol of wholeness and one i think should be reclaimed.

anthony, Friday, 16 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

its manwoman of course

anthony, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Vic - I wasn't ridiculing Santana for being into religion per se, just for appearing like such a clueless, drooling idiot about it. (Metatron!!!?) I've got no problem with the spirituality of John McLaughlin, Pete Townshend etc. - in fact, I admire them for going against the secular/hedonistic grain. I just think that appearing like a wide-eyed cretin does an even bigger disservice to interesting strands of philosophy than it does to music.

dave q, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

just for appearing like such a clueless, drooling idiot about it.

Oh gotcha, well I have no problem with that then. I don't even remember if I was directly writing that in reference to your comment or if I just used his name since I recalled it first, after seeing it in the thread, but I really haven't read any interviews by the man, so I can't say either way whether he's cringe-worthy or not. I'll assume he is; besides, he's collaborated with Rob Thomas on the most overplayed song ever which is enough for him to make my shit-list for eternity.

I seriously doubt whether any of these celebrities can leave behind their regular self-delusional states of solipsistic narcissism and get truly spiritual in the eastern sense, if we define that as being anti-ego. Few pursue it with any depth. I guess someone like Richard Gere maybe really is into Buddhism, but he's also Richard Gere.

Did anyone here (or anyone anywhere?) hear that other Kula Shaker album, the pigs. astronauts something one, not that the title was memorable. What's Crispian up to these days ?

Vic, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On my last pedantic note (can you ever have enough?): the k is for Krishna who was on the album cover, not Vishnu.

You knew that, and I knew that, the the two stoner dudes didn't know that.
But what keeps knawing on my mind is this: The hot hindu babe hanging off of Krishna...I forget her name: Parvati? Durga? What IS the name of Krishna's helpmate...and does it start with a K?

Lord Custos, Saturday, 17 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"hot hindu babe"

Every Hindu goddess is hot by definition (note the breasts to hip- sizes, ratios), remember that or you'll incur Someone's divine wrath or something. Well everyone, I guess, except for Kali, her name starts with a K (the bloodthirsty figure Indiana Jones & Temple of Doom caricatured) but I've read some weird tantric stuff that says that certain mantras have caused creepy sadhu-tantrics who live in cemeteries to have sex with Kali, it's one way of propitating Her. So if that's true, she must be good in bed, but in a very scary, s&m sort of way, and you can guess who's going to dominate.

"Parvati? Durga? " No, good guesses though - those are all names of Kali in her "good" moods. You're thinking of Radha, Krishna's teenage sweetheart, the young girl pictured with him I think on the album cover? or pictured with him everywhere he's playing a flute. But he fucked everyone though - our god is the ultimate player/stud, heh? - for when he was "dating" her he supposedly seduced every married milkmaid in Gokul (there's scripture on this?), and then went on to have 1600 wives, out of which Rukmini and Satyabhama were the most prominent. but you're thinking of Radha. I'm procrastinating again...

Vic, Monday, 19 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
Listened to the "K" album again today. Certainly hasn't dated well, but "Tattva" does remain a truly great single masterpiece.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

Has anyone else heard the new Strangefolk album? It isn't great, or even good for that matter, but there's a couple of tunes worth hearing a time or two.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 July 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

custos day is tomorrow, man.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 19 July 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

"Tattva" still sounds pretty great, if y'ask me (silly lyrics notwithstanding).

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 19 July 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Borrowed K from the local library shortly after it came out. I thought it was sonically quite adventurous and nothing to do with Britpop at all - it conjured up dense Rousseau-esque jungles suddenly parting to reveal imposing hindu temples, and stuff. No sillier than "Kashmir" at any rate.

As for the fascist malarky, well they were stupid to meddle with it in the first place and even stupider to back down squealing as soon as they were challenged. It's not as though the Rolling Stones, Zep, Bowie, Joy Division, Throbbing Gristle and Killing Joke, to name but a few, hadn't been there previously in some form or other.

Overall, I suspect their stuff may date pretty well. If I could be arsed to find out.

Which I can't.

PhilK, Sunday, 29 July 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

Has anyone else heard the new Strangefolk album? It isn't great, or even good for that matter, but there's a couple of tunes worth hearing a time or two.

just found this by accident in the archive.

great dictator (of the free world) : haha.

mark e, Thursday, 28 July 2011 15:24 (fourteen years ago)

said this before on another thread, but Grateful When You're Dead ripped off The Prisoners, as did their cover of Hush

Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 29 July 2011 15:15 (fourteen years ago)


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