who is the most experimental band/person everrrrrr?

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Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

JOHN CAGE

Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 13 June 2004 04:52 (twenty-two years ago)

at the risk of being a lame-o, gotta say john cage predicted all this stuff in back in 1937, so: him.WHOA IAN BEAT ME TO IT FUCKERRRRR!!!!!!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 June 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

that post came in right when i submitted mine damn

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 June 2004 04:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Glenn Branca.

Wrong, Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Ben Franklin

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:08 (twenty-two years ago)

for the non-believers:

The Future of Music: Credo
I believe that the use of noise to make music will continue and increase until we reach a music produced through the aid of electrical instruments which will make available for musical purposes any and all sounds that can be heard. Photoelectric, film, and mechanical mediums for the synthetic production of music will be explored. Whereas in the past, the point of disagreement has been between dissonance and consonance, it will be, in the immediate future, between noise and so-called musical sounds. The present methods of writing music, pricipally those which employ harmony and its reference to particular steps in the field of sound, will be inadequate for the composer, who will be faced with the entire field of sound. New methods will be discovered, bearing a definite relation to Shoenberg's twelve-tone system and present methods of writing percussion music and any other methods which are free from the concept of a fundamental tone. The principle of form will be our only constant connection with the past. Although the great form of the future will not be as it was in the past, at one time the fugue and at another the sonata, it will be related to these as they are to each other: through the principal of orginization or man's common ability to think.-----John Cage, 1937

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

organization, shit i was typing too fast.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Voltaire
LORD BYRON

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

KISS! Music from the Elder, baby! I BELIEVE IN ME!

Okay, I'll just go to hell now.

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Sunday, 13 June 2004 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Smegma

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 13 June 2004 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

sammy davis jr experimented with satanism, white chicks.

harshaw (jube), Sunday, 13 June 2004 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

UM LIEK ASSIN ENO HAWL WIF DA TALNINT SHOE

someradnom (nickalicious), Sunday, 13 June 2004 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

New methods will be discovered, bearing a definite relation to Shoenberg's twelve-tone system and present methods of writing percussion music and any other methods which are free from the concept of a fundamental tone.

Cage gets my vote too, but this prediction seems way off. The 12-tone system is pretty much dead. I guess if 'bearing a definite relation to' means 'ignoring completely', he got the future right. Then again, there's still a lot of future still to come. Communism will almost certainly come back at some point; why not Serialism too? Once you've invented something, it will be used.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 June 2004 08:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha, leave it to Momus to single out the twelve tone thing that I almost left out of the quote. When I say that Cage "predicted all this stuff" I meant specifically:

...the use of noise to make music will continue and increase until we reach a music produced through the aid of electrical instruments which will make available for musical purposes any and all sounds that can be heard.

...mediums for the synthetic production of music will be explored.

...it will be, in the immediate future, between noise and so-called musical sounds. The present methods of writing music, pricipally those which employ harmony and its reference to particular steps in the field of sound, will be inadequate for the composer, who will be faced with the entire field of sound.

...percussion music any other methods which are free from the concept of a fundamental tone.

That's pretty insightful for 1937. Turntablism, IDM, Industrial, Avant-noise all potentially fit the bill he's describing. But 12-tone could make a comeback! teehehe.....

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 13 June 2004 08:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't henry cowell say a lot of this stuff before cage but the difference was that cage put it into practice (cowell also had ideas toward approaching the piano, which led cage to the prepared piano)?

Cage didn't like improvisation, which fits because that means having to give up control.

He left a lot of this 'noise' stuff (a lot of which is accepted as procedure now) and went towards looking the silence as music route, all acoustic stuff towards the end wasn't it?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 13 June 2004 09:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Zappa

bahtology, Sunday, 13 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Eye.

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

maria b I kiss you

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Sunday, 13 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Copernicus

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 13 June 2004 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh god, Copernicus. I'm positively certain that he thinks so.

Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Sunday, 13 June 2004 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Jonas Salk

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Sunday, 13 June 2004 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Ives. No wait, Wagner. He waz fukked up!

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 13 June 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

weasel walter loves twelve tone composition/schoeberg, so surely he is the most experimental person still alive.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 13 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

edgard varese

autovac (autovac), Sunday, 13 June 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

and, I, you... dear Jon.

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 13 June 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Yximalloo, a distant second.

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 13 June 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Cage didn't like improvisation, which fits because that means having to give up control.

Cage was happy to lose control, as long as it wasn't to musicians. Improvisation puts musicians in control of composition, and that's often a recipe for formula, routine, habit or, worst of all, music that sounds like music. Cage preferred to see control ceded in two directions: towards Mother Nature (in the form of chance operations and random ambient sounds) and towards the listener. But, since he 'signed' these strategies, both Nature and the listener are 'caged'. The very act of relinquishing control becomes a godlike assertion of control. Cage's most brilliant invention, in fact.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 June 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

But isn't 'experimental' deemed regardless without context? Sure, in the realm of conventional music as a whole Cage ends up on top, but I'll have to second the Zappa vote, since in the context of popular music, he ended up tweaking so much shit while still maintaining an amazing level of talent and quality over a lifetime of diverse music.

pher (pher), Monday, 14 June 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Any music where I can't tell the difference between the lock grooves and the rest of the music wins. I kiss you Matt Brinkman!

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)

THE FUTURISTS

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

mat brinkman gives me a woody! but the stuff on the new england box isn't that good :( some of it's ok.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

when i am grown up i will own a record label that will issue the matt brinkman box set

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)


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