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I'm listening to this s/t Arbete och Fritid right now and wondering if the rest of their records are this magnificent, and where I might possibly find them? If you got love for Algarnas Tradgard and Bo Anders Persson, you've got to hear Arbete och Fritid.
http://www.cdroots.com/mnw-fritid.jpg

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks for the recommend! Algarnas Tradgard and the IH/Trad Gras/Parson Sound axis rule! will check this out.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

So I guess this would be a Swedish prog folk S/D, cuz I want to know if there is any more of this great music I may be missing.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

hey, hstencil: check this out http://www.cdroots.com/mnw-fritid.html
sound files of a few tracks from the pictured album.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I mention Ralph Lundsten?

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

please do, Rockist.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, agreed. Please do!

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Nordic Nature Symphony" was kind of okay. (Not rock though.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

more, please, Rockist.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

From Forced Exp. "A somewhat unexpected foray into the early-electronic retrospective scene, a 4CD set from this under-documented (at least in the domestically available CD age) Swedish composer, perhaps better known for a series of gnome and prophet-shape-involving 70's synthesizer records than for his proper oeuvre; his mid-60's electronic works, mysteriously absent from recent activity-listings of 'electronic pioneers'"
SOUNDS AWESOME.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

The rest: "From 1959 onwards, Lundsten was working in relative obscurity, nestled away in his 'Andromeda' studio in his Castle Frankenburg in Saltsjö-Boo (outside of Stockholm), working the DIMI-O (a custom synthesizer replete with camera and TV-monitor, which produces sonics in an 'immaterial twelve-tone scale from the empty air'), the DIMI-S (aka THE LOVE MACHINE, which apparently 'generates sound and light by contact with the skin, reacting to the emotional state of the performers') and various other home-brewed devices in creating pre-space epics of repetitive sound-motion. Whilst references to the 'folklore of elves, trolls, wood-sirens and little people' do appear, the complete tonal nature of included exercises veer closer to a one-man canon of well-funded academic electronic ideas and techniques, an undeniably awesome goal witnessing the somewhat crude nature of his home studio technologies at the time (as compared to the technologically overstocked centers of the era such as EMS Stockholm). A well thought-through item oozing with outsider murk, a must for all you pre-73 electronic junkies out there. Essential"

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you, Rockist!

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Castle Frankenburg in Saltsjö-Boo

I've got to visit Sweden some day.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you were just joking around (about Lundsten, not Swedish prog folk).

I warn you, some of his work is kind of New Agey, but the sounds are a little too eccentric to fit neatly under that heading. (He has a couple real fans around here, too. I don't own any proper recordings by him.)

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

See Samla Mammas Manna, for more on the prog end - though they do folk too, albeit trad Swedish folk, so with accordions, yodeling, etc.

Archimedes Badkhar does this sound, but integrating Eastern and African instruments as well. Their album Tre was recently reissued on CD.

Kebnekaise is decent progressive folk.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks for the recs.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Not kidding about Lundsten, I think it sounds really cool.
I don't shy away from near-new age sounds. I'm a big fan of early
Tangerine Dream. I like a lot of early electronic composers, favorites being Dockstader, Oliveros, Subotnick(to a lesser extent).
I got a promo Errki Kurenniemi cd to review at the University station I used to dj at and found it's primitive yet fearless approach to be very interesting. I don't think I'm ready to commit to a 4cd set of Lundsten's works, though.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry I can't help with specific recordings that might be available. I know him from hearing him on the radio and from what little I taped from that source. The big 4-CD compilation sounds tempting.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Ragnarok and Filarfolket were also pretty cool folk/prog Swedish bands (more folk than prog). Might want to check them out...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Lundsten made some deliriously wiggy electronics early on (often with Leo Nilssen), new-age/neoclassical with Nordic themes later. i love most of what i've heard, but it aint prog or folk.

you want: Hand Gjort, Bo Hansson, all the other A&F LPs (here's hoping MNW has them slated for similar CD treatment - and soon), Anna Själv Tredje, Kebnekajse, Turid, Väsen, Ragnarok, Hedningarna, and SAGOR & SWING(!!!!!)

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

some other stuff:
Anekdoten - www.anekdoten.se
Alamaailman Vasarat - http://www.vasarat.com/
Dungen - www.dungen.info
Anglagaard
Bjorn Olsson

MNW just got bought out this week by Push Media, so who knows what'll happen to the backcatalogue. Silence has put out a bunch of stuff that's worth tracking down, too.

Avi (Avi), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

>I'm a big fan of early Tangerine Dream

then Anna Själv Tredje's 'Tussilago Fanfara' is a must. the lone album by the duo of Mikael Bojen and Ingemar Ljungstrom. oh so Dreamy. hasn't been reissued; doubt it ever will be (c'mon, Silence!) but i have a very good rip of the LP. get in touch if you're having trouble finding this one.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll check it out...I'm really into International Harvester, so it should be up my alley.

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

turid turid turid. beautiful stuff, one of those voices that's so beautiful it makes most of your modern female 'new weird folkicana' singers sound like wesley willis.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

This new Dungen record is pretty good. Beatle/Who-esque psych prog.

dleone (dleone), Saturday, 26 June 2004 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Not folk, but a really great new Swedish reissue is the Archimedes Badkar 3rd record, put out by the same label that did the Arbete Och Fritid disc (which I totally worship). The Badkar is more 'world-beat' before that term was more widespread; they were somewhat disciples of Don Cherry in Sweden, utilizing instruments and styles from around the world in a seamless kind of way cloaked in a bit of a jammy-Trad Gras/psych vibe; plus definite lessons from Terry Riley's 60s stint in Sweden where some seeds were planted for great bands. This reissue really rules.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Sunday, 27 June 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i have mp3s of a really good Arbete och Fritid album called 'Ur Spar' so get that if you can find it. they should've rereleased that instead of the one pictured, which disappointed me when i heard it.

i have a chance to Trad, Gras och Stenar this week but can't decide if it's worth it. wasn't too into their recent album and i've heard mixed reviews of their live shows. has anyone seen them live recently and do they recommend it?

sherm, Sunday, 27 June 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

so does this mean no one here has seen TG&S live? i really don't have money for it but it's only $8 and my curiosity is getting the best of me. i just hope that the one guy that sings occasionally in french on their last album takes a breather for this show. his voice is really bad. if anything, i can at least get my kicks yelling out requests like "tegenborgsvalsen!"

sherm, Monday, 28 June 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them last May. Didn't recognize any of the songs and it was a very bluesy set. Hey their happy as hell that people are interested in seeing and hearing their music. Go

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 28 June 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Who's heard Philemon Arthur And The Dung? Recommened??

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 28 June 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

sagor & swing, best band ever from this godforsaken country.

http://www.sagorochswing.com/
http://www.hapna.com

oom, Monday, 28 June 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought that archimedes badkar album was pretty crap, honestly. just meandering 'world' fusion crapola.

philemon arthur and the dung - weird discordant folky stuff, sweden's answer to the godz/fugs thing, lots of nonsense singing and strumming. has (the original?) version of "in kommer gosta" (covered by trad, gras & stenar) which is great, but the album can be a bit much.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 28 June 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

TGOS were mighty fine last time they played Seattle. Lots of subtle, gradually intensifying drone-rock jams played by jolly sexagenarians who look like insurance salesmen. Go see them before they retire to their mansions.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Monday, 28 June 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks, dave, that's what i wanted to hear, now i'm convinced i should go.

listening to 'ur spar' right now. pretty sure this is later than 'arbete och fritid.' but it's got a slightly less folky sound. or rather, the folky side has been mixed in equal parts with some free jazz and the long repetitive jams of harvester or tgos. it almost sounds like a live recording too but it's great, much noisier and more interesting than the self-titled one.

sherm, Monday, 28 June 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Where can I find Ur Spar? Has it been reissued by MNW like that first one was?

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

is anyone looking for the two first Samla mammas manna LPs and the International Harvester LP (on Love rec) cause i am willing to part with my copies.

Danish progband Alrune Röd sjould be mentioned too, theyre great.

I recommend Philemon Arthur!

heroes + villains, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, alrune rod are good, but denmark hasn't been the 'it' country yet.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the fact that the Badkar can 'go there' without fully succumbing to being 'fusion crap' speaks for its quality and purity. Like Popol Vuh in a way, which is New Age done right, I think that the Badkar record really holds up as a predecessor for the muso-worldbeat stuff with that genre's intentions represented well. It might be for the more zappa-minded for sure; I have a low tolerance for a lot of that stuff, but found this to be really interesting.

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

holy shit, so glad i went. the TGoS show was awesome! their rhthym section is so fluid, they're like the JBs of psychedelic-rock, and the two guitarists effortlessly glide over it. probably the only band that can jam on one chord and hold my interest (aside from vibracathedral orch.). even the song with the other dude singing was great, i take back what i said about him earlier. i don't even care about missing the acid mothers melting blahblah show anymore, these guys are the real shit!

oh, and they not only did 'im kommer gosta' but also that long epic jam 'sommerlaten' which closes those live album reissues on silence label (i think jaws were hitting the ground at around the 10-15 min. mark, it was so great).

sean - ur spar has not been reissued as far as i know, i downloaded it a long time ago on hotline or some other such antiquated filesharing program. it is in fact a live album, which probably explains why it's so good. here's a discog:

Arbete & Fritid - Ur spår LP
MNW 1974
Arbete & Fritid - Se upp för livet 2LP
MNW 1976
Arbete & Fritid - Håll andan LP
MNW 1979
Arbete & Fritid - 1969 - 1979 CD
MNW 1991
Arbete & Fritid - Deep Woods (=1969-1979) CD
resource/MNW 1993

sherm, Friday, 2 July 2004 07:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
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ü, Friday, 16 July 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Who's heard Philemon Arthur And The Dung? Recommened??"

I like it, but it is more similar to Red Crayola's "God bless..." - twisted.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link


Philemon Arthur and the Dung was the swedish prog/folk equivalent to Ween.

Kaiser of Köln (Kaiser of Köln), Sunday, 18 July 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Alamaailman Vasarat - http://www.vasarat.com/
...They're most prolly Finnish tho, not Swedish. (But good in their own rather inimitable way, yeh)

Well and do add my Kebnekajse-vote to all the previous ones.

Also, Fläsket Brinner quite often fit that "prog folk" bill, me'd say.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 18 July 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Saw Alamaailman live (yes, they are Finnish), and they kicked ass. I think they are more of a live group, though, so didn't pick up their disc. Their former band was Hoyry Kone, I have one of their albums, Huoni Parturi, which is decent.

Joe (Joe), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Arbete och Fritid - "Dorisk Drone"

Arbete och Fritid - "Thulcandra"

o -- (eman), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

the album by ramlosa kvallar is "okay." jazzed up interpretations of folk dances, mostly. a little too wallpapery, if never unpleasant.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Tarujen Saari. start with the horses-and-battles themed Sota Kirottu.
They Will Folkrock You. believe it.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

"Who's heard Philemon Arthur And The Dung? Recommened??"

That band won a swedish grammy, which caused so much anger in the swedish music business that the whole event was put on hiatus for like ten years. So for that alone; yes, highly recommended.

teen riot structure, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

My world music pal here at work just hooked me up with another Arbete och Fritid album, See Upp for Livet. It's a double lp. This 18 minute lead off track is ferocious.
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s24594.jpg

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 19:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Shit, I missed those YSI links from last march.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

see upp for livet is their best studio album imo. that 2nd song w/ flutes is excellent

those two ysi links were from the deep woods comp. i can re-up later. i might also have the live ur spar if you're interested

am0n, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm interested! I'm really loving the weirder moments on See upp right now. Some crazy stuff. Do you need any Turkish psych? My coworker also gave me the first album by Selda which features Mogollar as her backing band, or something. Not sure, haven't listened to it yet.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link

we're the only ones reading this thread rite?

en and tva

i don't know anything about turkish psych. haven't even heard 3 hur-el yet

am0n, Thursday, 30 August 2007 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^SWEETNESS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

W4LTER, Thursday, 30 August 2007 02:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Look!!!There Is Life On Earth!! by Life On Earth!!is one of my faves this year, though I may have gotten the exclamation points mixed up. On Subliminalsounds.se (lyrics in English, which sounds kinda French-inflected here, at least to American local yokel me)Anthologyrecordings.com has some of the 60s pre-T,G och S, maybe more related stuff by now (and forcedexposure.com's always good to check.

dow, Thursday, 30 August 2007 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link

bump for Trip Maker

am0n, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks, amon.
Here's Erkin Koray's Second Album. It's more traditional (in the Turkish sense) than the albums on either side of it, but I thought that may be appropriate.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll check that out when i get home

look at this live footage of International Harvester

am0n, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

aw, cool.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 15:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Not very folky, but there's a new Baby Grandmothers reissue set out; Sweden, early seventies i think, in a trad gras vein, but maybe with more of a sabbathy heaviness.

ian, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Sounds righteous.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link

i have that, it's very good

am0n, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I've belatedly discovered Hedningarna and and Gjallarhorn (a roots-fusion band from from Ostrobothnia - Swedish speaking Finland) this week. Both are very similar in approach, almost frenzied percussive driven folk with close harmony or multitracked female vocals, occasional hardanger fiddle, and unafraid of production flourishes.

For Hedningarna, drone is provided by hurdy gurdy, jew's harp or other medieval instruments, with Finnish language close harmony vocals by a Finnish duo on their best three albums: Kaksi! (1992), Trä (1994), and Karelia Visa (1999).

Gjallarhorn audibly incorporates more multiculti influences (thumb piano, didj), and the overall sound frequently approaches later Dead Can Dance. One of Gjallarhorn's close associates is a professional studio engineer and custom microphone designer, and it shows in the sound - assuming you like a fairly wet and almost electric sound (though no electric instruments are present), their albums are some of the best recorded in any genre. Another member studied in Australia, and the drone role is taken by didgeridoo. Yes, I know this alone will turn off many with memories of the patchouli stink of mid-90s global fusion hippie excess, but trust me, here it works. Gjallarhorn's secret weapon is Jenny Wilhelms, whose multitracked voice carries the hockets with ease. Its pure, vibratoless, and free of the nasal timbre in a lot of the Nordic folk recordings I've sampled this week. The albums to start with are Sjofn (2000) and Rimfaxe (2006). Suvetar, the lead track off Sjofn illustrates their approach well:

As an aside, do not confuse them with the unrelated Italo-Norwegian death metal band that also adopted the name Gjallarhorn.

As an aside, please don't confuse

derelict, Thursday, 18 December 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I have a pretty neat comp of this stuff, I'll share it

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 18 December 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP Lars Hollmer of Samla Mammas Manna :(

Dominique, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

yes RIP. the obits I read had no info on causes, I wonder if it was suicide? however it's sad

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

the mix I mentioned, a nice introduction to this sort of thing if anyone's interested: http://www.zshare.net/download/5351904987efc318/

mostly old stuff but some newer bands in the mix too. totally Dungen free

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 16:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope that is still available when I get back home on Friday.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Älgarnas Trädgård ‎– Framtiden Är Ett Svävande Skepp, Förankrat I Forntiden (1972)

Reissue is out: http://www.subliminalsounds.se/product/algarnas-tradgard-framtiden-ar-ett-svavande-skepp-forankrat-i-forntiden-more-2xlp/

plazzTT, Friday, 27 February 2015 01:25 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yuvO_5PCdE

just found this, hadn't thought to look before.
I picked up their 3rd lp a couple of decades ago probably because it was the one thing i could find at the time. I was trying to explore non english speaking prog cos I thought it might be a bit less obviously precious. I wondered if there had been much of a difference between that lp and the preceding 2 and it does seem like it lacks the psychedelic tinge that is pretty pronounced on those.
Not really thought about it much recently, got reminded of it earlier this week so checked out tracks on Spotify where I'd also been checking out Italian prog after getting the Ambropse croce book for xmas. Mainly been listening to podcasts on tehre recently.

I think there is a folk influence on here that may become more pronounced on teh 2nd lp but does seem that what they are jamming on are folk airs doesn't it?

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