Tell Me What To Expect From A John Tavener Concert

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On a whim, deciding that I needed more non-pop music in my life, I got tickets to go and see this gig tonight:

Wednesday 23 June, 8.00pm
St Paul's Cathedral, London EC4
City of London Festival of Tavener at St Paul's

Tavener Ultimos Ritos; Two Hymns to the Mother of God; The Lamb; Song for Athene

Patricia Rozario soprano
BBC Singers
City of London Sinfonia
Richard Hickox conductor


I've heard only bits and pieces of Tavener, but everything I've heard has produced this "Oh wow, this is astonishing, what ISSS this?" sort of reaction. So now I'm trying to find out more.

I spent much of yesterday listening to "Innocence" - a CD featuring several pieces based on William Blake poems, plus an eirie and spooky requium mass. This is making me very excited, all kinds of amazing vocal harmonies I never even knew existed!

So tell me what you think of Tavener, and I'll report back later this week with how my expectations matched up to your descriptions. Or, erm, something.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(Plus, well, it's in St.Paul's and I cannot resist the power of the DOUBLE DOME. I wonder if the cheap seats are in the Whispering Gallery. How awe-inspiring and terifying would the music sound from up there?)

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Gastrointestitnal discomfort.

scottontharox (scottkundla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Extreme pretty.

cis (cis), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha ha, Mr. Tavener himself made jokes in the programme about wanting to sit in the Whispering Gallery to hear the fearsome trumpets. Sheesh, he's very tall. Exactly what you would expect a mentalist composer to look like.

There was both of the above reactions, funnily enough.

They started with a selection of purely a capella pieces which were the most extreme pretty I've ever heard. Rising voices moving in and out of harmony and unison, temptingly slowly, the occasional deliberate dissonance producing little tiny shivers that made all the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. The way the notes just kind of... hung there, in the air, shimmering and perfect. The effect of the 20-second reverb of St.Paul's dome was slightly ruined by sitting in the cheap seats, where the sound was slightly muffled by the scaffolding and construction crap, but still, oh the pretty. It reminded me, strangely, of Slowdive, the sort of minimal lushness, sparse arrangement but maximum ethereality.

Ultimos Ritos was the one that got you in the gut. A brief intermission for coughing and rattling of papers and the exit of the Telegraph readers who thought they were going to hear Bach.

AND THEN THE NOISE!!! Jesus bloody Christ, what is that? Possibly the loudest sound imaginable made by humans, Motorhead and Coil and Norwegian Death Metal and all those bands that think they are hard and scary, my god, they're like amateurs, like a dog's bark compared to thunder. A drone of the lowest notes on the organ, utterly bowel-shakingly loud and terrifying and awe-inspiring, smashing gongs and blasts of trumpets and any second the great doors of the Cathedral will fly open (the wind isn't helping) and the four horsemen will gallop down the aisles for reserection and revelation but then the pretty rises up out of it, above the infernal chanting and typmani swells, assaulted by trumpets, and after a big fight with some chiming churchbells and some free jazz atonal squawking, the pretty wins. The end!

HSA was not impressed. "I can do scarier than that!" he insists. "Well, go on, then" I say. Humph.

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Thursday, 24 June 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

My mental image of Tavener is rather like a walking corpse, skin like vellum parchment, long body curled over a walking stick, shivering... I haven't seen him in the flesh for a great many years, though, so it could have become extreme than the reality.

His vocal stuff is incredible, isn't it? There's no-one quite like him for bringing otherworldly beauty out of SATB. (perhaps Britten, but his vocal stuff is much more... earthly.)

You should hear his 'Apocalypse'! It has seven counter-tenors, as well as a huge orchestra, multiple choruses... come to think of it, I've only heard of it being performed the once. But that was a Prom, so the BBC ought to have a recording available. I keep forgetting to look out for one.

You're making me realise that I was an idiot not to go see it. (was planning on going to check out the Spitalfields festival and pretty tuned percussion stuff, but didn't feel up to it in the end.)

cis (cis), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think taverner & bjork have been comissioned to compose this year's theme for the olympics. that'll be nice.

(Jon L), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he was a few yards away, so I couldn't see his skin. He reminded me more of Gandalf than a walking corpse. There was something very definitely wizardly about him. I really want to hear more now. Two of the songs that were performed at St.Pauls were on the CD that Joe has - Innocence and Song For Athene (sp?) both of which were gorgeous. I'm a lot more impressed with the pure vocal stuff, or vocals with just a hint of organ.

Tavener & Bjork together? Oh good lord, could be the most inacessible, pretentious (heh) thing on earth, but more likely it will be ethereal beauty touched with divine madness. I hope. I truly hope. I don't know how well that goes with the idea of the Olympics (unless he goes more for the big, scary side of things for, you know, Herculean Olympic efforts) but it sounds quite promising regardless.

He wants to be me (kate), Friday, 25 June 2004 07:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Taverner & Bjork together?

There's already a piece out there called 'Prayer of the Heart' that Tavener composed especially for Bjork and the Brodsky Quartet. It's on this CD, which is a pretty good overview of Tavener's work and dead cheap to boot too. I have to say that I do find the spiritual bent of his stuff slightly repellant (and he rather off-puttingly elaborates on this side of things in an interview on one of the discs), but would totally concur witchoo on the general level of amazingness of some of the sonics.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 25 June 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW 'Song for Athene' = Diana's funeral music in case you thought it was familiar. That whole connection is certainly a big reason for Tav's popularity, but it is a beautiful piece.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 25 June 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I might have to get that. Heh heh, Joe left himself logged in on Amazon on my laptop, so he might be buying it as a present for me. Serve him right for the Trilobytes.

x-post, oh, I didn't actually notice the connection. I won't hold it against the song, though. ;-)

He wants to be me (kate), Friday, 25 June 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

seven years pass...

what do y'all think of this dude?

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 30 June 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

His passing has been announced:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24919332

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 17:44 (twelve years ago)

see other thread Ned

I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 17:44 (twelve years ago)


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