Detroit Techno: Race, Agency, and Electronic Music in Post-Industrial Detroit

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

Just over two years ago, while still in college, I wrote a thesis on Detroit techno. I would write it very differently today, but I stand by most of it and think it's worth a read if you're interested in the subject. I hadn't thought to share it with ILM until now.

Detroit Techno: Race, Agency, and Electronic Music in Post-Industrial Detroit

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Were the repetitive, mechanical sounds of automobile factories related to the mechanical sounds of Detroit techno?

I always wondered if there was something to the fact that many parties were thrown in similarly decrepid shelled-out industrial zones. And did the neccessity of locale create/transform the asthetic for producers and djs like it did for myself?

As for the race issue, well I dunno. Let me digest it a bit. Great read by the way.

harshaw (jube), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

what was the name of that Ford compact that had the techno commercial?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Printing it out at work. looking forward to reading.

AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the ford focus

harshaw (jube), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

In what sense is Detroit postindustrial? Because I still see it as an industrial city, even if the industries there are in relative decline ... has anything really replaced the heavy automotive industry in Detroit?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"Since the [Ford] Focus is attracting younger, more diverse buyers, we wanted to continue to develop marketing programs that fit the personality and lifestyle of our target buyers," said Fesmire. "Detroit Techno is a music style that is recognized by young people around the world. We know that music is one of the biggest passions for our young car buyers, so it made sense for us to incorporate a unique music element in our campaign."

harshaw (jube), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The ford focus used Model 500's No UFOs, a pretty amazing choice. I haven't read the paper yet Ben, but I'm immediately reminded of articles written about Cabaret Voltaire in the 80s, about how Sheffield was a bleak manufacturing town and how this town birthed the Cabs, Clock DVA, Human League, Heaven 17 etc.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben may I suggest the title of your next paper:

The Co-opting of Race, Agency, and Electronic Music by the Ford Motor Company

harshaw (jube), Friday, 25 June 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm Juan didn't mind getting paid superbucks for that ad.
Ford also sponsored one of the Detroit Electronic Music Festivals.

sexxxyAnswers, Friday, 25 June 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Rasheed: you're right that the auto industry remains an economic presence in the city - but many factories (most notably the River Rouge plant) closed or relocated, slowly but surely, over the last three quarters of the 20th century. The holdouts are insufficient to support a thriving urban center, and no new industry has come along to replace them.

There are of course other reasons that Detroit's urban space is in a bad way, but the death of industry is chief among them. Recently Detroit has been luring computer companies, bank HQs, and casinos to downtown, not to mention Comerica Park and Jennifer Granholm's "Cool Cities" initiative (seriously), which may or may not have something to do with the White Stripes and the Von Bondies and the DEMF.

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

check this out:

BBC IXtra present Deviation Detroit Special including Derrick May, Recloose and Kenny Larkin

<em>Check below to hear Detroit legends talk about the impact the Motor City has had on black music. Don't forget to tell us what you think about Detroit.</em>

As BBC Music note:
<em>1Xtra's Benji B took a trip to Detroit - listen again to the programme, where legends talk about the impact the Motor City has had on black music. Then add your point of view on the messageboard.</em>

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

In what sense is Detroit postindustrial? Because I still see it as an industrial city, even if the industries there are in relative decline ... has anything really replaced the heavy automotive industry in Detroit?
-- rasheed wallace (kanestbkly...), June 25th, 2004.

A recent study showed that the majority of jobs in Detroit are now white collar.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

All seven of them!

nabiscothingy, Friday, 25 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan:

Do you have links to any of the Cabaret Voltaire/Sheffield articles?
I'd be interested to read those.

A central point of this paper, arrived at most especially after conversations with Shake, was that urban decline did not beget depressing music, but music that was emotionally ripe. Detroit techno to my ears isn't mechanical in the sense that it submits to the rule of the robot. It incorporates "industrial" sounds, certainly, but in a way that gives voice to human beings and their real-life, often political desires and circumstances. The same could be argued for some Sheffield bands, too, and I would make that argument before I would lay out the reasons why the city was responsible for the music. Thus was the question of agency raised.

btw, I'm also very curious to hear your reactions.

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm only a bit into it and have to take a break to, umm, do "work" but wanted to comment on something that maybe you'll go into later, regarding the break between african american music and techno, and the seperation between house and techno. First, Brewster etc's ideas don't acknowledge the large amounts of african-american music of the late 70s and early 80s that had a proto-techno sound and were obvious precedents, anything from Eddie Grant to classic electro-funk. Second, while I was first learning about techno in college I drew a strong line between techno and house, but now no better, and would say there are chicago house tracks that are as "out" if not more so then anything that came out of techno. If he thinks Techno is such a radical departure while house is not, what does he make of Mr. Finger's Washing Machine or Lil Louis' War Games, for instance?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

of course I wrote that thing about Sheffield prior to reading any of your article, and immediately went "d'oh!, that's not his point!" But taking up that thread, more simularities can be found and while industrial music may have started mimicking the sounds of urband decay or whatnot, look where it ended...Heaven 17 singing Penthouse and Pavement. There's been lots of debate over just how much the Detroit guys dug into Euro New Wave, specifically, did Derrick May sit around and listen to Cabaret Voltaire or whatever, so I'm not going to suggest a definate influence, but an earlier parallel. Heaven 17 manufactured themselves as a glossy pop band with tongue firmly in cheek, all the while drawing record covers that looked like a pharmaceutical ad. But they were really just punks at heart. An ironic, self-aware version of uplift? Or a post-modern comment on pop music, in which the bands eventually became what they were commenting on? (some more successfully then others.)

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

Yes, that's precisely the problem with Brewster, and why I think he typifies the journalistic reaction to techno - the influence of Kraftwerk blinds these writers to the music's black roots.

There's a quote somewhere in there where Atkins derides house for being "gay," but of course Derrick May never would have made the same statement because he remembers that his career was made standing on the shoulders of house musicians.

And, yeah, Mr. Fingers and Lil Louis and nowadays Kenny Dixon Jr. make it frequently impossible to distinguish between house and techno, on this continent anyway.

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

to me, most chicago acid house, not to mention nyc acid house, from the late 80s is more bizarre and alien sounding then anything that came out of detroit. The stuff that's on the House Halucinates comp(phuture, pierre, sleazy d) or Bobby Konder's Nervous Acid or Tyree's Acid Crash make Rhythm is Rhythm sound like accessible pop music in comparison. And these tracks are all 86-89 or whenever.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)


And techno was commercially accessible in comparison - no strain of house had a hit comparable to "Big Fun," at least not until house was reborn as the preferred backbone for global pop anthems in the early 90s. And no strain of techno (save Mills' more aggressive records) reached as far into psychedelia as acid house, if they reached there at all. Was it a drug issue?

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'VE LOST ... CON-TROLLLLL ...

ADONIS, Friday, 25 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I've read a bit more, so regarding your question of it being a drug issue, how much drug use was there in detroit? In comparison to chicago, the gay chicago house scene, which if it was anything like it's forefather the NYC disco scene, I assume quite a bit.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no way to quantify, of course, but my perception is that there was relatively little drug use in Detroit during techno's formative years.

In Chicago and New York, disco and house, drugs are usually part of the narrative, but when does it come up with techno? It doesn't seem to until, who, maybe Hawtin?

Shake's take on it is something to the effect that people in Detroit had seen too much devastation to think of drugs as a way to party . . . I take that for the anecdote that it is, but he may have a point.

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Drugs were there but not an essential part of the scene. If anything, prolly came more in once the success came as a way to er indulge in the fruits of the labor.

I'm curious to read this article.

One of my profs at Wayne State wrote a book on Contructivism that explores techno, Ford and Detroit:

http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/books.html

Good stuff as well.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 25 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How the hell do you write so much??? Egads...

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 25 June 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

ben, did you read all those Woebot/Naughty Bit of Crap weblogs wherein Matthew Ingram discusses techno with Kirk DeGiorgio?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

No - link?

Who is Matthew Ingram?

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

www.woebot.com

I was trying to search for the specific articles but my browser crashed. In the specials he has some great scans of classic detroit stuff and some later detroit-derived stuff, like the first Morgan Geist ep.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe DAT Politics are the "German techno guys" mentioned in chapter one. They're French, I'm pretty sure, but nonetheless . . .

ben tausig (datageneral), Friday, 25 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm pretty sure that ben tausig has never been to detroit.

Matt B. (Matt B.), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

it is a 15 minute drive from where btausig went to uni, it is likely that he has been there.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Saturday, 26 June 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm pretty sure that ben tausig is not an african-american producer of early techno music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 26 June 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

ACTUALLY, i'm pretty sure that ben tausig drives like a grandma, and would be lucky to have made it to livonia in 15 minutes.

Matt B. (Matt B.), Saturday, 26 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought a Ford Focus in '01, you know, because I was told it would keep away UFOs. It was only later that I discovered it conks out when the engine passes 130RPM, or when you get too close to 8 Mile Road.

In conclusion, you can't get much more African-American or "street" than me.

ben tausig (datageneral), Saturday, 26 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

go ahead, make some lame joke about F(ound) O(n) R(oad) D(ead). or F(ix) O(r) R(epair) D(aily). but i'm tired of motherfuckers telling me that 80% of the cars from detroit aren't good cars. what you don't understand is that 80% of those cars ain't from detroit.

so don't be misled.

Matt B. (Matt B.), Saturday, 26 June 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

techno fans are big sillies

benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 26 June 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

the notion of causality in this thesis is reductive and a little silly.

amateurist, Sunday, 9 August 2009 16:50 (sixteen years ago)

you waited 5 years to tell him that?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 August 2009 16:57 (sixteen years ago)

yes

amateurist, Sunday, 9 August 2009 17:03 (sixteen years ago)

hmm, can someone re-post the thesis? i'd be interested in reading this.

nice! he have the balls to say the truth! (the table is the table), Sunday, 9 August 2009 18:59 (sixteen years ago)

synchronicity principle

bamcquern, Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:07 (sixteen years ago)

in

bamcquern, Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:08 (sixteen years ago)

something-something

bamcquern, Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:08 (sixteen years ago)

Wow! Cool to see this revisited five years later.

For those interested in reading the thesis, it's <a href="http://weirdvibrations.com/Thesis/";>here</a>. Apologies for it being in separate docs.

In terms of the notion of causality, I have to confess it's been a while since I read the piece at all, but to the best of my recollection I think I was arguing against assumptions of easy or direct causality. Still, Amateurist, I'd definitely be interested to hear more about what you mean.

Ben Tausig, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:36 (sixteen years ago)

Just copy/paste the URL, no need for code!

http://weirdvibrations.com/Thesis/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:38 (sixteen years ago)

Things sure have changed! (Thank you.) I can't edit that, can I?

Ben Tausig, Monday, 10 August 2009 01:39 (sixteen years ago)

Can anyone recommend any other published scholarly writing on this sort of thing.

I'll try my best to at least skim through what I can of this (out of curiosity, what department/program did you do this thesis for?).

Well, I wrote some stuff and Kenny Loggins heard it, so, y'know... (EDB), Monday, 10 August 2009 02:42 (sixteen years ago)

Scholarly writing on techno, do you mean?

It was for my undergraduate history thesis at the University of Michigan.

Ben Tausig, Monday, 10 August 2009 02:52 (sixteen years ago)

Yes.

Well, I wrote some stuff and Kenny Loggins heard it, so, y'know... (EDB), Monday, 10 August 2009 03:00 (sixteen years ago)

Ben, nice work. I gave it a cursory glance & will get back to it later. As a fellow UM alum (2001), I am curious: What department did you write this for?

Disagreeing with me would make you a carpist. (Pillbox), Monday, 10 August 2009 03:30 (sixteen years ago)

Pillbox: I was in the department of history.

EDB: There was very little good scholarly writing dealing specifically with techno at the time that I was writing my thesis. Dan Sicko's book is excellent, but it's not in an academic vein. Likewise Simon Reynolds' work, and Kodwo Eshun's as well. I worked with a lot of material on black music and the black diaspora in general, including Paul Gilroy's "The Black Atlantic." But his work didn't mention techno at all, so it was a matter of making second-order connections.

I would imagine that things have changed a lot since then, though. Denise Dalphond at Indiana works on this stuff. She has a blog. http://denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com/

Ben Tausig, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 02:04 (sixteen years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.